but its not typically who bumps these threads. it is usually in response to the bumpers, who change their narrative daily and get closer and closer to conspiracy the longer it goes on. It really is laughable, and has been for months. all of these threads should be shut and maybe we can discuss ralfs performance honestly 6 months after ole has left the clubHe's spot on tbf. The pro-Ole fawning has started again recently because Ralf has been wank and Villarreal knocked Bayern out of the CL
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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Nah, there's two groups very much at play here and always has been. Ole, like Jose, has built up this weird cult. I find it beyond odd that anyone would fanboy over any post-Fergie appointment. It's been a truly hideous time for the club.
Is this Ole cult saying he shouldn’t have been sacked?
The ones that will do anything to paint his tenure as some sort of success or, feel the need to fanatically defend any critique. Odd people.
I don’t understand how so many people are putting a lot of the blame on him. He had no power to change ANYTHING. He couldn’t sell or buy players to improve the squad, all he was brought in to do is improve the shit show before.
Atleast Ole inherited a team although shit were drilled defensively by Mourinho and that surely benefited Ole during his first few games. Ralf literally had to teach these players basically how to pass a ball again because for three years there was no technical training just vibes.
Ole has done the worse damage to this team more than any other manager post Sir Alex. He gave contract extension to poor players who barely contribute (Jones, Mata, Grant, Matic etc) like he was Father Christmas giving out presents, bought expensive flops in Maguire, Bissaka, James.
Atleast Ole inherited a team although shit were drilled defensively by Mourinho and that surely benefited Ole during his first few games. Ralf literally had to teach these players basically how to pass a ball again because for three years there was no technical training just vibes.
Ole has done the worse damage to this team more than any other manager post Sir Alex. He gave contract extension to poor players who barely contribute (Jones, Mata, Grant, Matic etc) like he was Father Christmas giving out presents, bought expensive flops in Maguire, Bissaka, James.
I haven’t seen anyone saying he was a success or that he shouldn’t have been sacked. However, I do see a lot of people pointing the finger solely at him and ignoring the quite clearly incompetent management we have in place right now.
I see a-lot of people absolving him of a hell of a lot of the blame, and trying to blame other factors. I also see a-lot of people trying to paint his tenure as some sort of semi-success and they just keep repeating EL Final, semi finals, second place etc.
Each to their own, but my verdict is that every single post-Fergie appointment was a fecking disaster. Anyone who feels the need to fanboy over any particular appointee, is just really arguing over who was the least shite.
Its not a conspiracy. Ralf is doing a terrible firefighting job, but we have a large portion of supporters who refuse to accept that it was Ole who stoked the flames.
We haven’t gotten any worse, it was Ole who guided us to this point.
Everybody makes mistakes in predictions and opinions on football. There should be no pride involved in just backing down and admitting when we are wrong about something. There were times when I really wanted to believe.
Its one thing trying to convince the forum about what he was building and that it was all coming together (even when it was done in such a condescending way), but it’s quite another to see how he has left us and still defend his time in charge.
Thats the only laughable part, and it’s incredibly frustrating to read. He was a disaster and the proof is overwhelming.
In fairness, EL Final, semi final and second place look fecking rosy right now. But yes, it’s all been one long shit show since the moment Fergie retired. It’s just odd that this guy, probably the worst of the lot, is seen as doing us some sort of favour in pulling us further into the abyss.
Now that Ole has been in the rear view mirror for a while my view of his legacy is that he got the squad out of the hellhole Jose left it but was unable to summon the ruthlessness required of a manager to push a squad from good to great.
That we went from good to horrifying is partly on Ole, partly on club management and partly on the underperforming players themselves.
Many of us said it at the time but it's worth repeating -- we should have let Ole go after the EL final (hard to believe we were in a cup final last season) last season.
That we went from good to horrifying is partly on Ole, partly on club management and partly on the underperforming players themselves.
Many of us said it at the time but it's worth repeating -- we should have let Ole go after the EL final (hard to believe we were in a cup final last season) last season.
Ole is gone 6 months.
There has been 1 transfer window. We did nothing and signed nobody.
We have since bumped up Bruno wages and made him unsellable if his poor form continues.
The Greenwood issue has also messed up our attack.
We have promoted zero young players in 6 months. We fecked up the Laird situation by taking him away from Swansea where he was playing regularly. We sent Diallo to Rangers and he has barely kicked a ball.
Are we just going to blame Ole forever?
Rangnick has been dire - we can say it's not his fault, it's Ole's fault. We can then say it's not Ole's fault, it was Jose's fault. And of course, it wasn't Jose's fault but LVG's, and he can blame David Moyes.
Or we can say it was actually Fergie's fault for choosing a manager who had never won anything but had made Everton look good. We should have gone for a top manager to replace Fergie, end of.
At least under Ole we had some decent runs, and at times played the kind of football we should be playing but the blame has to be shared between Fergie, the Glazers, Woodward, and feckin' Martin Edwards.
Well; EL win, LC win, best points total finish post-Fergie, sounds rosier. But we all know Jose's tenure was an absolute shit-show, for the most part. I don't think any of our post-Fergie appointments deserve any respect for the jobs they done, as they all massively failed. I also don't think any deserve to have their tenures painted as any sort of success, as none were remotely successful.
Ole the player; awesome. Ole the manager; abject failure. I also think he should be judged as a Manchester United manager and held to those standards. I've seen some baffling rhetorics suggesting he should get some leeway as he was inexperienced compared to Moyes; LvG and Jose. I mean, that's just fecking ludicrous. He wasn't some intern we hired to learn his trade. Fact is, it was ridiculous to hire him on a permanent basis, but we did and it's time to move on from that.
And yes, Ralf has been terrible too.
No, not at all. There are far bigger problems at play, but he wasn’t a victim. He was actively contributing to what we see now. It was a negligent appointment.
All your criticisms since then are absolutely valid.
Spot on.
OLE if only you'd brought in a Tough Brilliant Tactician and a Superb Tough Defensive Coach and a Pass Master :
three separate Specialist Coaches.
As well as a Motivational specialist, a Recruitment specialist.
Then you could have concentrated on your skills as Goal scorer coach,
done a better job as overall Manager.
three separate Specialist Coaches.
As well as a Motivational specialist, a Recruitment specialist.
Then you could have concentrated on your skills as Goal scorer coach,
done a better job as overall Manager.
Some people are just obsessed with this guy. Just let it go.
United's problems go way beyond Ole and are rooted 10 years ago.
United's problems go way beyond Ole and are rooted 10 years ago.
If you call us Ole inner, who base our opinion on facts rather then feelings, then you should call yourself Ole haters.
We came second because we were better then Liverpool last year in Premier League. Not hard to understand.
Agreed. It’s the lack of continuity and any semblance of a strategic plan which has been the cause of all this, and that lands squarely on the board. I don’t really blame Rangnick, I actually feel sorry for him. He was a square peg for a round hole, completely unsuitable to take on this squad with the position we were in. And that’s the kind of decision making that’s put us where we are today. Fergie to Moyes, Moyes to LVG, LVG to Mourinho, Mourinho to Ole, now Ole to Rangnick. It’s a complete and utter mess, like they were picking managers out of a hat.
Hopefully ETH will signal a change of fortunes, but we’re still going to have a squad and manager who are at odds with each other unless we ship out half the team.
Not hard to understand how Ole’s approach has led to a lazy, entitled dressing room over 3 years, and how his horrendous defensive signings have wasted resources and left us in a worse position than we were when he started either.
Not hard to understand at all, especially when the proof is right in front of us, and has been for months before he eventually left.
It’s only football. I don’t hate him at all. He just wasn’t a good manager and there was never any proof that he could be. It was another costly mistake by a group of people who don’t know what they are doing. A group that are motivated by all the wrong things.
Ole was shite; he also should never have been hired as permanent manager. Our club has been an absolute joke since Fergie retired and we have consistently appointed the wrong managers, and lacked any direction whatsoever. There are other factors at play, but each and every post-Fergie appointment deserves scrutiny and criticism.
No matter what RR does or not, Ole was highly incompetent, a disaster manager. He should have been fired so much earlier amd he is partly responsible for our huge mess.
Ole’s reign has been by far the most damaging alongside Jose.
Who do you think should have been hired instead?
It was lazy before Solskjaer came. He did make them play better for 2 years before they went back to how they were before him. Why do you think players stopped playing for Mourinho? Because he started to call them out. It is on players. Not managers.
Agreed. Our managers need to be held accountable at the end of the day, and ultimately they have been considering they’ve all had the boot (even if it came later than it should have). And yet these threads keep getting bumped every match, 6 months or whatever after Ole’s gone, basically laying every defeat at his door because Ralf can do no wrong. If you want an example of obsessive behaviour, look no further.
Agree in the end it turned into shite, but of all the managers we've had he's the only one that brought some sort of hope and some sutainaed moments of joy watching the team over the last 10 years. And I say this as someone who was against making him permanent manager at the time. In my view its the Glazers and Woodward that have done the most damage to the football club, the managers are being used as scapegoats, but guess who hired them in the first place?
You think I can remember who was available 3 years ago? The club should have been sounding out an appointment while Ole was interim. Are you seriously trying to tell me that there were no better options available than the ex Cardiff and Molde manager? Get to feck
Same shit happened after Jose left too. I think as a fanbase we get way too obsessed with managers.
I do agree that the players are worse than we thought, and their attitude has been really disappointing.
But what they needed was a coach, and we gave them an upbeat ex-player. It was never going to be good for their long term development or for their ego.
Ole was a mistake.
I never wanted him appointed on a permanent basis, and his early reign was absolutely horrible. It wasn't until Bruno came along and saved him, that we started to look remotely competent. In saying that, the performances were still very shaky and we lucked to quite a few of those wins. Last season was ok in some regards, but it was still clear he lacked a clear plan.
I admit I got understandably giddy after hammering Leeds at the start of the season and signing Ronaldo; Varane and Sancho. I expected us to do some good things this season, but that was more based on our signings rather than Ole's ability. We had some decent wins under him, but it never really felt like we were going anywhere. That famed second place finish also felt rather false, just like it did with Jose. Now that the dust has settled, I think it's fair to say he massively failed at the weird metrics he was judged on, such as squad building and cultural reset. Given he had no on-field success of note; it's fair to say he was a massive failure, just like the rest.
I don't think you would find many people who would say he didn't ultimately fail. There just seems to be a weird obsession with him by some even though he's been gone for months.
I think United fans seem to have weird obsessions with managers, as opposed to how fans of other clubs carry on. I've always found it extremely odd (barring Fergie, obviously). There are still plenty who refuse to admit Ole failed; so instead, they will mention small facets of his reign to praise him, rather than looking at his tenure holistically. This kind of shit is annoying and extremely disingenuous. Saying he "beat City 3 times in a season" is so pathetic and small time, yet that's the attitide of some..
Solskjaer was right person at that time because he was someone who lifted the mood up. You saw it right away when he took over.
They need a coach. Agree. They need someone who can tell those up there that we don't need Lingard and Pogba and those kind of players. They are using the magnitute of our club for own purposes. We need to go back buying players usefull to the club. I rather have players like Valencia or Park then some of our big buys. We need to stop giving them 250000 a week where they feel they own the world without needing to perform. We need to go back to basics.
I'm not telling you anything. It would be interesting to know which direction you would have liked the club to take instead.You think I can remember who was available 3 years ago? The club should have been sounding out an appointment while Ole was interim. Are you seriously trying to tell me that there were no better options available than the ex Cardiff and Molde manager? Get to feck
Hypothetically , who would you have hired if all managers were available 3 years ago, except Pep and Klopp?
Am in total agreement with this. I miss that commitment and watching players who truly loved being here.
That’s such a lazy question, reminiscent of Priti Patel asking if others have better options and, like the other user said, especially difficult to remember who was available at the time.
I do seem to remember Nagelsmann and Rose were available at the time. But frankly you could have thrown a dart at a board with pictures of available managers and landed on a better option.
Again, I have no idea who was available at the time or what they were doing. The type of manager I would have liked would have been in the progressive, modern manager mould. So someone of ETH's ilk. Maybe someome like Marco Rose or Nagelsmann, though I'm not sure what they were doing at the time.
It's been sickening watching the likes of Liverpool and City play really progressive brands of successful football, while we have gone for managers with no real style whatsoever. LvG was the closest we got to a manager who had a clear tactical identity, but that didn't work out. Funnily enough, he allegedly wanted Mane and VVD while both were at Southampton, so interesting had he gotten both.
Thing is; hiring Ole as interim was right at the time, and brought about a-bit of nostalgic fun. But at the time, most fans were crying out for a modern, progressive manager to take the reigns after Ole's interim period. There was all this exciting talk of huge structural changes and a new manager to follow. Typically, we took the lazy route and hired Ole, and were served with another 3-years of outdated, non-exciting football.