How did this lot finish second last season?
Solskjaer's legacy and his future
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As bad as Ralf's been I think things were going to get much worse had Ole stayed on. No way he would have still had us mathematically I'm touch of top 4 still.
Spot on.
I think he technically left behind the best squad of all our post-Fergie post-Fergie appointments. However; the culture is rotten; players are unfit; tactically inept; have dreadful attitudes and not an ounce of a winning mentality. That's on him. A proper manager can indeed work with a-lot of these players.
Then he hasn't done the most damage to the club in 40 years then, has he? Gave me a lot of the best moments watching United in the past 9-10 years.
When you realize that the team left by both LVG and Mourinho performed far better under the next manager than our culture reset boss and legend savior's team who don't give a feck about Man United or the fans in literally any game..
That's the legacy he left us with.
But Mourinho ruined the team and Ole left us in a far better place then where he started apparently.
That's the legacy he left us with.
But Mourinho ruined the team and Ole left us in a far better place then where he started apparently.
More like just continued on the same downward trajectory.
We didn't get worse. We are just still as shit.
Because he is left with a bunch a feckwits that ole signed
Left with a lazy culture that ole created
Everyone says he left the club in a better place than he found it. I don't know, this team looks extremely shite filled with whiny and insufferable players who are crap.
You can judge until the next full-time manager comes in, Ten Hag next season, also Mourinho was 6th in his first season, United are 6th as well at the moment.
They had a good environment and were happy to play here. Individuals brilliance and luck can only take you so far though as we saw when things didn't work out the next season and got Ole sacked.
Ole unfortunately set us back 5 years
Exactly this. We had extremes under Ole - we were extremely good with some long runs, but extremely bad at times too. But under other managers since Fergie we were consistently boring and as can be seen, we lost more games under all the others except Mourinho.
Ole was no worse than the other managers and his win record second only to Mourinho - if he'd won that very close Europa cup his record would obviously look much better. I think people have forgotten exactly how dire things became under Moyes, LVG and Mourinho. I'm not saying Ole didn't deserve to go in the end - his choices became very suspect, but as supporters we had better moments when he was in charge, and still the best since Fergie.
They wont. DE Gea, AWB,Maguire,Shaw,Bruno,Sancho,Rashford etc are finished and have peaked. There is zero fight left in them. Good players dont perform like this for a whole season. Their peak was finishing top 4. They arent winners. Its a total rebuild. Not one current member of the squad will ever win a PL or CL as regular.
Let's evaluate again after a real manager.
The squad LVG left won 2 trophies under Mourinho next season.
The squad Mourinho left gave Ole his permanent job in Ole's honeymoon which is actually the best period in Ole's reign.
The squad Ole's left won feck all and losing non stop left, right and center.
Next season what next season? The majority of this squad will be disassembled. Or are we going to give Ole the credit if Sancho or VDB perform well under Ten Hag when Ole was ruining their career on the bench?
Most of us thought they were good signings at the time. Even Guardiola wanted Maguire and was publicly annoyed we got him.
Wasting so much money on AWB was obviously a horrendous decision. But I blame our scouts more than anyone for that.
Not signing a proper midfielder was the biggest mistake during the last few years. It has cost us so many points.
40 apparently.
You don't know that until next season, it's a dead season. People drawing too much off a few games at the back end before a new era.
I disagree. A proper midfielder and we will be 10 points better right away. 4-5 players can make an entire team. Liverpool were useless without Van Dijk last season, 30 points better off this season. It can be the difference of Trent and Robertson playing 10 yards further back and Trent getting slated for not being good enough defensively. Thiago being made a mockery of because he has to play defensive midfielder covering for Wijnaldum and Jones. A few players can elevate or bring down an entire team. Get in a few really good players and watch those other players look 10 times better.
No because a large part of his squad would have left next season. You can judge him on the squad he left Ragnick with.
Sounds about right tbh.
Ole set us back to the Paleolithic age, with a team full of cro-magnon men.
Lets call it an even 1500. Next season, Erik Ten Hag will be discovering how to strike rocks and make fire at Old Trafford, while Fernandes and McTominay dance around him in a pagan ritual and Ronald the Christian, will be mastering the art of making lures to capture foxes for breakfast.
If you can’t see the damage that Solskjaer has caused then there is no point in discussing this with you.
Thank you for Maguire - AWB - Telles, truly the Football Manager way of transfer strategy
I want Manchester United to challenge for both the premier league and the champions league. So idiotic to say I am not obsessed with champions league and I would rather win the premier league. God sake. Fans like you annoy me.
"Legacy" 
The damage of finishing 2nd and 3rd in the league, truly sickening.
Sounds about right, he did sign slabhead
Even the supposedly key player he left us, Bruno Fernandes, has become a huge problem on its own.
Ole's legacy indeed.
Ole's legacy indeed.
I never thought awb was good
Never thought 80 mil was good, don’t care if pep wanted him
or signing players that we already had cover for
So yer Ole set us back about 2/3 years, cheers
Most of us? I personally thought James, Telles and Maguire were ridiculous signings tbh.
and then got us mid table where we still are struggling to get out. Never winning anything and saying trophies are only for egos. Yes truly sickening by a Manchester United manager. Without him we would not be in this mess. Woodward is to blame but he should have been what he is an interim manager and a proper manager should have been appointed after his interim period. Look at the dross he has left behind.
Ole the manager is totally dead and forgotten in my memory. I don’t want to remember or even think about him for the rest of my life. Together with Ed Woodward and David Moyes he represent by far the clubs three biggest mistake ever.
Ole the player is probably one of the most loyal and likable squad player you ever going to find. He will always be remembered for his CL winning goal.
Ole the player is probably one of the most loyal and likable squad player you ever going to find. He will always be remembered for his CL winning goal.
Cultural reboot 
How did Ole have this team play football? I can never understand
Over £300m spent on a team that needs open heart surgery!
Best part of £70m on full-backs, leaving us with Telles, acknowledged as one of the worst FBs in the league and AWB being kept on the bench by another FB widely accepted as being fecking shit!
£120m spent on CBs, nothing else really needing to be said about that.
About £200m spent on attacking players:
Bruno played in to the ground
VDB on loan at Everton making no impact
Diallo on loan at Rangers making no impact
Pellestri on loan making no impact
Sancho starting to fit in better but nowhere near the impact from Dortmund
Ighalo for a £10m loan
Cavani who decides when he can be arsed to play
All whilst ignoring the need for a DM.
All whilst harping on about ‘the United way’ and all of his other bullshit.
Best part of £70m on full-backs, leaving us with Telles, acknowledged as one of the worst FBs in the league and AWB being kept on the bench by another FB widely accepted as being fecking shit!
£120m spent on CBs, nothing else really needing to be said about that.
About £200m spent on attacking players:
Bruno played in to the ground
VDB on loan at Everton making no impact
Diallo on loan at Rangers making no impact
Pellestri on loan making no impact
Sancho starting to fit in better but nowhere near the impact from Dortmund
Ighalo for a £10m loan
Cavani who decides when he can be arsed to play
All whilst ignoring the need for a DM.
All whilst harping on about ‘the United way’ and all of his other bullshit.
Rangnick was appointed as manager in November.
Honestly, my biggest problem with his time at the club was his decision to go with our suicidal 'no midfield' approach at the start of the season. He obviously wanted to make us a more expansive team, but in the process of doing that he ripped up his own (not amazing but functional) blueprint.
I do think the pre season played a part, with him maybe not having the time to fully get his ideas across, but it still feels like he pressed the self destruct button on his team at the start of the season and we've never quite recovered since.
Beyond that, I actually quite enjoyed his first two seasons overall Just wasn't able to take the stepup when he needed to.
I do think the pre season played a part, with him maybe not having the time to fully get his ideas across, but it still feels like he pressed the self destruct button on his team at the start of the season and we've never quite recovered since.
Beyond that, I actually quite enjoyed his first two seasons overall
Just wasn't able to take the stepup when he needed to.