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Sofyan Amrabat | signs for United on loan
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Not sure why we signed Mount when we have the one man midfield Mainoo just sat around twiddling his talented thumbs. Why's Bruno been given the captains armband ahead of him, makes you think.
I didn't know Atletico are interested, but that makes them a genuine threat. They love their CMs seeing as they also put them wide in their 4-4-2.
Amrabat and Casemiro are very different players. Rather that rotating the two to avoid fatigue, I think EtH would use one or other based on his team tactics for that day.
Amrabat is a lot more similar to De Jong. Only thing he's lacking is key passes. But with Mount and Bruno in the team, I don't think that matters too much.
Amrabat is also more of a high volume passer than Casemiro. It's a role nobody else in midfield has been able to fulfil properly since Carrick. If he can adapt, he'd be a hugely useful addition in that respect.
Surely that enormous gap between him and De Jong in terms of key passes quality is significant even with Bruno and Mount there
My issue I suppose is that I assume will will be playing a system comprised of a DM and two attacking mids. Amrabat is quite clearly being signed as a deeper option, which is where Mainoo appears to be developing. If we aren't wedded to that system, then more flexibility and versatility should afford Mainoo more opportunities which would be great.
So is this lad any good? Does he improve us in any way? And does this rumour have any legs? Or is it purely his agent trying to force something through to a big club?
May as well sign another left sided forward then and relegate Garnacho down the pecking order?
While I'm slightly worried if he will take what could have been Mainoo's minutes, Mainoo being 6th choice in a 3 man midfield is probably fair.
He’s still a kid ffs. Special talent he might be but premier league and champions league are incredibly tough competitions. He has to be integrated slowly into the team. We can’t hang our hats on him to deputise Casemiro yet. That’s unfair to the kid. He has to grow, mature and learn before being given significant minutes consistently. How hard that is to understand?
Yes to all of those things apart from the last
That's fair enough, but he needs to be given a significant amount of minutes or loaned out. He's far too good to be sat on the bench all season.
Glad to hear, but are people just hopeful because it means Fred and McTomminay won’t play or is he genuinely better?
He is kind of a 6/8 hybrid but he can still perform that screening role in front of the back four just fine I think.
Genuinely better,as you see from a post a couple of pages back he is similar style to De Jong
Alright, I’m onboard for this one then!
Not necessarily.
Barca's most often used midfield was Gavi (1.1 key passes per game), Busquets (0.8 key passes per game), De Jong (1.4 key passes per game).
The imaginary future United midfield would be Mount (1.3 key passes per game), Bruno, (3.2 key passes per game), and Amrabat (0.4 key passes per game).
If you add it up, Barca are only at 3.4 key passes per game from midfield whereas as United are at 4.9 key passes per game from midfield.
Obviously, Bruno is doing a lot of the heavy lifting there. If he drops back to #8 his numbers will also fall. But I still think it'll easily be enough to compensate for Amrabat's modest output.
You don't need all 3 of your midfielders to be taking risks equally. It's okay for just 1 to take most of them them while the other 2 are a bit safer.
Had no idea he was born in the Netherlands. Suddenly everything makes a lot more sense.
Going by our midfield age profiles, Mainoo doesn't need to worry about his future here.
One Dutch midfielder in, one out with this. EtH loves his former employees.
I think this will happen and is he any good, yes he’s 6’1/6’2, incredibly robust, reads the game well, great shot, good passing range and smells danger, he’s only 26 and he can play as a 6 or an 8.
The midfield options now with ; Casemeiro, S Amrabat, K Mainoo, C Ericsen, M Mount,
S Mctominay and Bruno is as good as anyone’s in the league especially since Gundogan has left City and currently now have Rhodri, Kovacic, KDB, B Silva, K Philips, P Fodden, they might have more creativity but it’s an aging midfield too!
He will be perfect in a 4231 double pivot in hard away games with either Kobbie or Casemiro, we might even set up in some games to play 4-1-2-1-2 and play Casemiro, Amrabat, Mount or Ericsen with Bruno or Sancho as False 9/10
I think people will be surprised, I can’t see Mctominay leaving this year, he’s going to be used a lot from the bench as an advanced BTB number 8.
Yeah summed it up perfectly
Last summer we didn’t need a midfielder because we had Zidane Iqbal and Charlie SavageThis is such a pre-season comment. I've seen it so many times just with a different youngster being spoken about
His brother played for Watford, no?
Well he was the third choice LW going into last season and he still got his fair share of minutes. You'd think he'd have no minutes available by how you're describing Mainoo as the third choice DM.May as well sign another left sided forward then and relegate Garnacho down the pecking order?
18yo players force their way into squads they aren't given the privilege of holding prime spots in the squad off very little. If Mainoo is good enough he'll get minutes. Amrabat and Eriksen are hardly Modric and Kroos so there is still a pathway for him regardless of numbers.
He’s more Jorginho than Casemiro.
It comes down to whether ETH is willing to go into the season with 5 CMs + Mainoo. The 5 being Casemiro, Amrabat, Mount, Eriksen, Bruno.
Our 6th choice midfielder really should only be playing FA cup/League cup and some sub appearances. Makes a lot of sense to give those minutes to a player we're trying to develop.
If we can mix in playing Sancho/Amad as a #10 in some games then it would reduce our need to have 6 senior midfielders also.
Personally I'd bite the bullet and get rid of Fred, Mctominay and VDB in one swoop.
If ETH doesn't think Mainoo is ready for any senior football then we'll have to keep one of VDB/Fred/Mctom.
All his youtube compilations are of him tackling people. We're being deceived.
Which of those do you think he would keep
Last season we had ; Casemiro, Bruno, Ericsen, Fred, McTominay, DVB, M Sabitzer and K Mainoo from Xmas that’s 8 options for 3/4 places, reality we always had 2 from those 8 options, whether Mctominay and Ericsen or DVB and Sabitzer injured.
At one point we had Ericsen, Mctominay and DVB injured plus Casemeiro banned from two red cards. We need at least 7 options, they will get plenty of game time.
Last season Fred played 49 games, Bruno 57, Casemeiro 45, Mctominay 38, Ericsen 38 games, DVB 7, K Mainoo 2, Sabitzer 15
We hardly ever had more than 1 midfielder on the bench from 9 in the PL and 2 from 12 on Europa league.
Allowing 5 subs in CL and PL means you use 14/15 players most games now. We might well sell Mctominay since he’s available if we get £30-35m, his wages are £60k per week, he’ll be looking for a move. I wouldn’t be surprised if we sell Fred, Donny and Scott, we actually replace with Mount, Amrabat and one other like M Kudas.
Yes, Nordin. This World Cup I was thinking how is Nordin still playing for Morocco.
Also, just realized that Sofyan is still just 26(turning 27 in august). That’s a good deal for him at 25-30m
Mainoo just isn't ready to be Casemiro's first choice backup. Every position is demanding, but you just don't throw an 18 year old into the lion's den of central midfield if Casemiro is out for a month or two. Get this one done.
I actually like the look of this. We should just let McFred go this summer as they offers nothing in possession play.
No.6: Casemiro, Amrabat, MainooNo.8: Bruno, Mount, Eriksen, Amrabat, Mainoo
No.10: Bruno, Mount
That’s a good mix of options.
Yup.
A few good pre-season games and everyone's ready to see this kid run out against the best in the league and Europe. It's madness but then again this is the CAF.
My (wild) guess is, we're prioritizing a striker first. Hojland could cost us 40m, or could cost us 80m. Unless we have that deal wrapped up, along with sale of players like Fred, Henderson, Maguire, Martial etc, this is put into the back burner since its not a priority position. Won't be surprised if we revisit this mid Aug.
No he won't
Yeah key passes also needs to take into account a players role in the side. You don't want someone that's sitting at the base of the midfield trying to play killer balls constantly (unless you're playing some quarterback, late Pirlo style role). Ideally you'd have them just playing in between the lines to the forward players with elite efficiency and keeping things ticking over. But Amrabat also offers very good carrying for a DM, which is notable and something that we lack with Casemiro and Bruno both in the side together in a midfield 3
I do think a good competitive team is that you should have two battle-ready players to compete one position (one is peaked/post-peaked and another one is pre-peaked/peaked)
Also, we will play 50+ game in a season, one Casemiro cannot / is not recommended to attend all games. You should have another players who can provide different tactic, stamina and square depth in some games.
Youngster development is good but we need to secure top 4 or title or cup first. Also, we should not provide a environment to make youngster feel like they can guarantee into the first team. They need to fight into the team in training and caught every chance they had in match.
Also, if Mainoo cannot absorb the pressure like some other youngster, we will left one Casemiro again (or McFred?) like last season.
Only Bruno and Mount have the natural fitness to last many games. Need more legs.
We are horrible at selling players and while Fred I think will likely leave (though it's been 1.5 months of the window and still nothing), I'm unconvinced we'll see Donny go and think it's highly unlikely that McTominay leaves. Nobody is gonna get close to offering what we value them at. I can see a loan for Donny, not for McTominay though.
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