Funnily enough it looks like the midfield will be Rice, Mount and Foden tonight.
So what's next for Sir Gareth Southgate?
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I don’t like the idea of going for an international manager. For better or worse we should hire an English manager, because that is at the end of the day that is what international football is about, our football, our players, our coaches against yours. Even though ours suck most of the time.
Also I don’t think any European nations have won a tournament with a foreign coach, so it would have to be a top class coach who is part of English football to change my mind on this.
To be fair Belgium then compounded this initial error by hiring Martinez- the Wilmots hiring was only 50% of the blunder.
You'd think that with the talent England have they could get someone pretty high class in. Potter would be brilliant if he would be willing to step away from the club game- the fact that international management is less exciting to ambitious coaches could be negated by the fact that England have a side that could legitimately compete for Euros and World Cups for at least the next decade. Arise Sir Graham....
What about Rafa Benetiz? He's lived here for about 20 years now and has managed in the PL for a lot of that. He's a better manager than probably all international managers out there.
England have too much attacking talent to go with a negative manager IMO. They need a positive thinking manager for this squad.
The Potter question brings me to another idea. Now qualifying is pretty much a formality for any half competent nation i wonder if the idea of getting club managers in for tournaments could be looked at.
Not many managers of real substance want to manage international level these days and when they do the nation lucky enough to have them has a huge advantage and tend to perform well above their station (Italy with Conte and Germany are already looking much better with Flick at the helm).
When did that happen?
Rafa is the kind of foreign manager who I could understand being our international manager. Though he is Spanish, he is ingrained into our football which makes him a better choice for that position as opposed to someone just coming into the country.
Euro 2016. They had a really poor team on paper but beat Belgium and Spain easily and took a much superior Germany (who changed their system to match Italy) to penalties.
England are stuck with Southgate until we get knocked out of the WC. After that, I really hope the FA go for Potter.
Only way that happens is if we're humiliated.
If it's another 'courageous' semi, final or even quarter defeat he will survive.
Greece had a german coach in 2004, but i don't think that counts as not even greek fans thought they were winning the trophy before the tournament started, it was 100% a fluke.
The rest of european champions had a national manager, all of them.
I think going out in QFs to whoever will be seen as disappointment now.
Think Southgate's problem is dice will probably roll for tough knock out route for next world cup. Ukraine in QF was ridiculously easy game compared to pretty much every other team so while getting a France or Brazil would be very tough in quarters ultimately expectations are very high now based on last two tournaments.
His in game management is feckin crap
I didn't watch the game but checked the stats after and assumed those substitutions were a joke.
You make those type of changes when trying to see out a win.
Another generation likely to be wasted and its on the FA's shoulders as much as Southgate. Why we settle for mediocrity I've no clue. Because it's cheaper probably.
I still stand by my assessment that his appointment by the FA was nothing short of xenophobic. He clearly had and has no earthly business being anywhere near the England job.
Absolute trash game management.
Next job for Southgate is to figure out the best attacking selection
I think it was more strategic. The FA wanted to go in a new direction, something similar to what the Germans did after 2002. He had experience with the under 21 players that are now in the first team.
Not sure if it was before or after he’s appointment but I remember the under 21’s and 18’s won some world cups and Euros, again not sure who the manager of those teams were and how many of those players have progressed to the adult team
What is the actual point of calling up new strikers, if he's just going to persist with Kane when he's underperforming.
Genuine makes watching England a chore, I was happy when I saw the lineup today and still we were boring.
Genuine makes watching England a chore, I was happy when I saw the lineup today and still we were boring.
I watched the match, I thought I was watching Utd and that Solskjaer was transposed as Southgate.
Kane and Sterling are completely out of form. Abrahams and Watkins are not good enough but he declined to put Greenwood in his troupe.
Southgate substituted Greelish..why? No apparent plan and the players giving the ball away.
Cannot see England winning anything with the present mgr, which is the same problem with our team!
Kane and Sterling are completely out of form. Abrahams and Watkins are not good enough but he declined to put Greenwood in his troupe.
Southgate substituted Greelish..why? No apparent plan and the players giving the ball away.
Cannot see England winning anything with the present mgr, which is the same problem with our team!
I refuse to believe it’s financial reasons. If I remember correctly when Capello was there his salary was really high wasn’t it?
It’s just acceptance of mediocrity. It’s looking at what he’s achieving and saying “Well at least we’re qualifying and not going out at the group stage” rather than having the courage to decisively say “The players we have are good enough to win a tournament and play proper attacking football and keep the people entertained.”
It seems like a mindset that runs through a lot of English football. Rather than looking up and assessing what you think your manager can achieve, you only look down at the bare minimum and say well at least they’re managing that.
Klopp, Pep and Tuchel won't take it on. So those wanting him out.... just I dunno, prepare for Jose when it does happen?
To win the world cup I guess? England is one of the biggest favorites. They have shown the last two tournaments how strong they can be.
I think France and England the biggest favorites to me, but England got mainly young players with time to grow.
I think France and England the biggest favorites to me, but England got mainly young players with time to grow.
He's also good at cup competitions.
I will always repeat what my Boro supporting mate says about Southgate.
Gareth Southgate, the manager that relegated Boro and kept them relegated.
Only reason he has the job isn't to do with his tactical nous nor his run as the U21 coach. It is because he is good for the PR as he is probably the most unoffensive manager in world football. Additionally, I can imagine he is great at rubbing shoulders with the blazers which is also one of the top 2 things The FA look for.
Gareth Southgate, the manager that relegated Boro and kept them relegated.
Only reason he has the job isn't to do with his tactical nous nor his run as the U21 coach. It is because he is good for the PR as he is probably the most unoffensive manager in world football. Additionally, I can imagine he is great at rubbing shoulders with the blazers which is also one of the top 2 things The FA look for.
Germany, Brazil, Spain, Italy and France are bigger favorites than England.
As a Mancunian I'm fooked. Stuck with Solskjaer at my club and Southgate for my country. The worlds way of balancing out all those years I had under Sir Alex, I suppose.
England are currently tracking as third favourites for the tournament behind France and Brazil.
And even Brazil is questionable on if they’ll turn up.
I don’t like Southgate and would rather he resigned tomorrow but that’s what the current odds are.
According to who? Like seriously, how are England ahead of Spain and Italy? Those oddsmakers are drunk.
They're almost the same person. Lovely bloke, always saying the right thing, crap manager.
I wonder if the same people mentioning Potter as potential England manager are the same bunch that wanted Eddie Howe a few years back?
It's a big like Ole managing United or Martinez managing Belgium. Both sides have excellent players but average managers who you know won't win anything!
It’s like ole managing England
I'm hoping that either Kane keeps on not scoring and leads to some fight with Southgate that leads to him losing his job.
Or simply just don't qualify.
I like this England team too much to waste my time with Southgate.
Or simply just don't qualify.
I like this England team too much to waste my time with Southgate.
It's scary reading this whilst in the back of my head knowing it's not England and Southgate it applies to.
Glad Ole is still getting plenty of mentions in here, there's nowhere else for people to vent on that topic, so I'm glad there's now the right place to do so.
England has it's best shot playerwise at making a WC final since forever, but it will not happen with Southgate in charge. The FA is blind to the difference an intelligent and offensive manager can make to a team. Just look at what Hjulmand and Luis Enrique can do with squads that are far from brimming with international household names.
