I didn't say that though, did I? I don't rate Southgate and do think he's a boring manager. I also don't think any other manager would've achieved more than him with this England team. It's really not all that.
So what's next for Sir Gareth Southgate?
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I don't see him going even if we go out in the group. The FA love him regardless and he'll get another tournament purely because he made the semi in Russia and the final of the Euros. If the FA were forward thinking, which we know they aren't, Southgate would have got the boot after the Hungary mess.
Southgate already knows his team to start against Iran and it's all irrelevant of what players do between now and then, he's a joke!
Agree to disagree I guess.
100% wumming
I don’t dislike Southgate, I don’t find him particularly offensive personally. Actually, in the Russia WC I thought he did an outstanding job with the squad at his disposal. He created great team spirit and his tactics suited a team that let’s not forget had JLingz as a starter.
It’s different now he has a host of players that play for elite sides which function by means of possession based control of games.
Comparisons with Ole are more than justified. Under qualified interim appointment gets full gig based on restoring positivity and confidence.Found success mainly by clogging up midfield with willing runner/destroyers and hitting trams with pace on the counter. Sticks with certain favourite players despite poor form and, unlike Utd, plenty of competition for places.. Lost a final, that he had a great shot at winning, with negative tactics and appalling use of substitutes. Plenty of parallels.
The idea England, or any nation for that matter, just stays at whatever level it is year in year put - became of what? Some sort of national genotypeor phenotype or something? - is absurd. It’s like arguing China is a poor country because historically it has been poor. You can’t compare like that across generations when teams change, structures change. Can’t remember Belgium being any good a couple of decades ago. Someone should tell them they’re not Belgium any more now they have good players. Maybe they can get a new name?
it’s the kind of idiot logic shouldn’t even warrant a response, but I’ve ended up biting now god dammit.
Agreed! The minute Greece and Denmark came out of was clear as day.100% wumming
I don’t dislike Southgate, I don’t find him particularly offensive personally. Actually, in the Russia WC I thought he did an outstanding job with the squad at his disposal. He created great team spirit and his tactics suited a team that let’s not forget had JLingz as a starter.
It’s different now he has a host of players that play for elite sides which function by means of possession based control of games.
Comparisons with Ole are more than justified. Under qualified interim appointment gets full gig based on restoring positivity and confidence.Found success mainly by clogging up midfield with willing runner/destroyers and hitting trams with pace on the counter. Sticks with certain favourite players despite poor form and, unlike Utd, plenty of competition for places.. Lost a final, that he had a great shot at winning, with negative tactics and appalling use of substitutes. Plenty of parallels.
The idea England, or any nation for that matter, just stays at whatever level it is year in year put - became of what? Some sort of national genotypeor phenotype or something? - is absurd. It’s like arguing China is a poor country because historically it has been poor. You can’t compare like that across generations when teams change, structures change. Can’t remember Belgium being any good a couple of decades ago. Someone should tell them they’re not Belgium any more now they have good players. Maybe they can get a new name?
it’s the kind of idiot logic shouldn’t even warrant a response, but I’ve ended up biting now god dammit.
100% wumming
I don’t dislike Southgate, I don’t find him particularly offensive personally. Actually, in the Russia WC I thought he did an outstanding job with the squad at his disposal. He created great team spirit and his tactics suited a team that let’s not forget had JLingz as a starter.
It’s different now he has a host of players that play for elite sides which function by means of possession based control of games.
Comparisons with Ole are more than justified. Under qualified interim appointment gets full gig based on restoring positivity and confidence.Found success mainly by clogging up midfield with willing runner/destroyers and hitting trams with pace on the counter. Sticks with certain favourite players despite poor form and, unlike Utd, plenty of competition for places.. Lost a final, that he had a great shot at winning, with negative tactics and appalling use of substitutes. Plenty of parallels.
The idea England, or any nation for that matter, just stays at whatever level it is year in year put - became of what? Some sort of national genotypeor phenotype or something? - is absurd. It’s like arguing China is a poor country because historically it has been poor. You can’t compare like that across generations when teams change, structures change. Can’t remember Belgium being any good a couple of decades ago. Someone should tell them they’re not Belgium any more now they have good players. Maybe they can get a new name?
it’s the kind of idiot logic shouldn’t even warrant a response, but I’ve ended up biting now god dammit.
It may be idiot logic, but it's your own - what you've done here is construct a strawman to argue against. I don't think anyone have suggested that national teams have an unchanging quality. What is the case however is that the sort of unreasoning expectation level Southgate, and other England managers before him, is facing would only have been justified if England had a consistent record of major tournament success, which it doesn't.
Of course you can compare Southgate to Ole in terms of style etc, like you can compare any manager to any other manager. What you really can't compare is their results. Because if you do, you either have unreasonably low expectations for this club, or unreal expectations for England.
After watching it (only read it before), I think you're right. Fell into the confirmation bias, sorry!
No not really mate. The poster literally put three sentences together which typify England over entirely different generations with the summary 'This is England'. For a country with population the size of England's in addition to the amount of money that flows from the premier league and into the academies, yeah England should expect to do better in major tournaments. It's really not rocket science. Do you think shareholders would be happy with {fizer if they only made fecking calpol?
Make of this what you will:
https://www.teamtalk.com/tottenham-...-ready-resign-massive-name-linked-replacement
https://www.teamtalk.com/tottenham-...-ready-resign-massive-name-linked-replacement