Southgate is very similar to Deschamps and Mourinho. Focus is only how to win football matches without taking risk.
So what's next for Sir Gareth Southgate?
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It was suicide.I can't speak too much because I'm not English and I'm not drunk.
But really though, is it normal to play with 6-7 defensive minded players on the pitch when you have this many talents up front?
(Jordan Henderson is shite, ignore him)
Five defenders and two defensive midfielders
He should coach the Thailand team. You wouldnt mind that would you since there are a lot of Thai Leicester supporters now? You know a team from their own country
You really had to reach for that one, didn't you?
But for what it's worth, if there's any Thailand supporters saying "We hate England, we think it's a scummy place, we're outraged by English fans, but still want to choose support Leicester, an English team", then yes, I would find those people weird too.*
*(Though even then it's still not as bad, because at least they're not choosing a team to support simply on the basis that they win a lot of stuff
)You really had to reach for that one, didn't you?
But for what it's worth, if there's any Thailand supporters saying "We hate England, we think it's a scummy place, we're outraged by English fans, but still want to choose support Leicester, an English team", then yes, I would find those people weird too.*
*(Though even then it's still not as bad, because at least they're not choosing a team to support simply on the basis that they win a lot of stuff
I wonder if they have been to Leicester
It's a tricky one as I think he's not that good and should be sacked but he did get the team to finals so there's that. Anyway if he was to be sacked it had to be right now if there's someone already available who can do a better job, if not might as well leave him until world cup.
I have to say I am not totally convinced. It's hard to shake that feeling he made several significant blunders throughout, most of which we got away with and some of which potentially cost us in the final. Mainly with respect to his passivity and strange management of his bench.
The other side of the coin that has to be considered to remain balanced is he made some brave selections that were justified tactically by the games. He also knows how to setup a stable defence which is always a good starting point.
I am immediately suspicious when somebody focuses on all of the negatives and fails to find a positive with a man that ultimately did get us further than we've been in decades. The question now may be whether he can learn from some of the mistakes. I do feel like some of these concerns are identical to the ones raised when we crashed out of the WC, which isn't good. However, this may be rather not seeing the woods for the trees as the overall trend is very definitely one of improvement. The players also clearly play for him and seem completely motivated.
Overall I'm not sure he's the man but wouldn't be too upset if he remained.
The other side of the coin that has to be considered to remain balanced is he made some brave selections that were justified tactically by the games. He also knows how to setup a stable defence which is always a good starting point.
I am immediately suspicious when somebody focuses on all of the negatives and fails to find a positive with a man that ultimately did get us further than we've been in decades. The question now may be whether he can learn from some of the mistakes. I do feel like some of these concerns are identical to the ones raised when we crashed out of the WC, which isn't good. However, this may be rather not seeing the woods for the trees as the overall trend is very definitely one of improvement. The players also clearly play for him and seem completely motivated.
Overall I'm not sure he's the man but wouldn't be too upset if he remained.
Bang average manager who happens to have been gifted the best set of England players seen in donkeys years.
Excellent manager.
Rewarding mediocrity is very English to be fair.
Also first home tournament, bar one game v poor opposition since Euro 96 and a very fortunate 2018 world cup draw.
Sets England up defensively and there is the individual quality there to beat inferior teams. Maybe that is all England can do though. Can't think of another manager who would be much better.
If he eventually goes back to club football we'll find out what his real level as a manager is.
He's doing a great job to be fair, but his lack of flexibility and willingness/readyness to adapt to game situations might ultimately hold england back.
Still, unless england can convince a top top manager to take the job, I don't see a better option. And even then it's very much a case of careful what you wish for
Still, unless england can convince a top top manager to take the job, I don't see a better option. And even then it's very much a case of careful what you wish for
Best manager England have had for ages.
His plan here is just everyone defend except Kane and Sterling in the hopes that those two produce some magic, which, more often than not, they do. There's only so far you can go with that.
Shite manager.
Really?
would you have him at Utd after ole?
he‘s bang average and will be nowhere near a top or even a mid table club once he leaves the England job.
Not only shite, but a coward.
If FA gives him a new contract, England deserves the shit football and inevitable bottle job.
Completely wasting this generation of talent.
If FA gives him a new contract, England deserves the shit football and inevitable bottle job.
Completely wasting this generation of talent.
Probably yes, as he is an Arsenal fan
Start with Mancini. Then write at least another 30 names.
He’s absolutely essential to England Football Club. Not good enough to get the best out of England Football Team.
Give him a job with England for life, but don’t make him responsible for top level game management. Ever. He always comes up short. He’s been unbelievable in reshaping a culture around the squad. Changing perception and Instilling a spirit and set of values. But he can do all of that in a different role.
There’s no point in you thinking Club management is the measure. It’s not. They’re two completely different jobs. Many successful International managers have terrible club records, and vice versa.
He'd kill to have him at Arsenal lets be fair
Keeps making the same mistakes, to cowardly to make a sub.
Hope he stays
"We were in total control for the game" he says, but they created hardly any chances.
He can thank Kane for that.
Poland on the other side created a nice team goal.
He can thank Kane for that.
Poland on the other side created a nice team goal.
Average manager who instilled some confidence and respect into the England team after dismal management by Hodgson and Allardyce.
England has had such a low standard of manager that he is arguably the second best it's ever had.
However just because he's got further in a tournament doesn't mean he's doing a job worthy of the team he has. He'll beat the small teams but when there's a tough opponent he'll falter 9 times out of 10.
England has had such a low standard of manager that he is arguably the second best it's ever had.
However just because he's got further in a tournament doesn't mean he's doing a job worthy of the team he has. He'll beat the small teams but when there's a tough opponent he'll falter 9 times out of 10.
I wonder how much we’ve just been influenced by the media with Southgate in honesty, there’s so much positivity around him but the way we play and the results against top teams really aren’t good.
The difference now is similar to what we’re seeing in the CL, the great teams are all rebuilding, this small period now is when a team like England who have players around their peak should capitalise. In the WC we lost to the first good team we played and in the Euros we beat a weak Germany then lost to Italy (who Mancini completely transformed in a short space of time with lesser players). If you look at the tournament draws it couldn’t have been better for us in either tournament as we avoided all the best teams as well. Just look at Belgium’s luck compared to ours in both for example.
Southgate should have a role in the England setup but he just isn’t a hands on coach - how hard it is to have the best players and then just setup to mitigate risk, defend and trust your elite players (who are individually vastly better than the oppositions’) to nick a win? Surely most professional managers would be able to do this?
The fact is he is not qualified and it shows. Even someone like Eddie Howe would make more sense because you can see a history of promotions, longevity in the seat and a style based around possession which is essential for international football.
This England team seriously needs to win something. With their current player material and the likes of Germany, Spain, and Brazil being not being at their best they not get a better chance in a long time.
Not sure if Gareth will be the way to go, but it would also be difficult to replace him.
Not sure if Gareth will be the way to go, but it would also be difficult to replace him.
You'll see the difference between him and someone like Flick very soon.
Having him lead your troops while Germany have Flick, Italy has Mancini and Spain have Enrique is nothing short of foolish.
Way too cautious.
Swap him with anyone on this forum, and the results would be the same. Maybe even better, as nobody in their right mind would be allowing Saka to step up to take a penalty under the circumstances. Substitutions were abysmal. No recognizable style of play.
Achievements are as a result of luck and talented players.
Swap him with anyone on this forum, and the results would be the same. Maybe even better, as nobody in their right mind would be allowing Saka to step up to take a penalty under the circumstances. Substitutions were abysmal. No recognizable style of play.
Achievements are as a result of luck and talented players.
As I understood it, Engalnd had a clean run to the final in every International Championship arranged. The first ones, they didn’t even bother participating in, as it was below their dignity. Ever since they first turned up, expecting to cruise to the titleand losing to the USA some time early last century,, the sqme sequence followed: Clean run to the title - thwarted by incomprehensible loss - National crisis follows. Rinse, etc.
There is one exception these 80 years, when they played at home and the referee disallowed a decisive goal for the opponents in the final.
There runs a line of narcissistic disorder through English football identity which makes it very hard to maintain a professional mentality for those actually trying to perform.
Maybe he will he will get sacked by Middlesbrough again
Top managers at their peak don't tend to manage national sides. It's a retirement job. Southgate is decent, good even, among his peer group: the national team managers.
That's a couple of categories below EPL level, never mind European club level (CL). He's been better than Eriksson, McLaren and Capello were.
People think this England team is the mutt's nuts, but Capello had a team with Terry, Ferdinand, A.Cole, G.Johnson, Carrick, Lampard, Gerrard, J.Cole, Defoe and Rooney.... and did absolutely feck all with it. Not just results wise, but dire football too.
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What a pragmatic manager. The wealth of talent available and makes no subs.
It doesn't make sense to me. He will be the reason we waste another bunch of talented players.
It doesn't make sense to me. He will be the reason we waste another bunch of talented players.
100% this.
Gaz > Ole
Can see him being in charge until 2026 world cup tbh (unless England bomb out early in Qatar) so don't think club discussion will be relevant for long while yet.
Glad that more and more people are seeing him for the boring, negative manager he is.
Lots of people trying to defend his tournament record, the players got there in spite of him. He may be good at keeping a happy camp, but hasn’t got a clue how to manage a game.
Has arguably one of the strongest squads in the world, and yet won’t touch his bench when required. Yet another England manager with favourites who play no matter what.
Lots of people trying to defend his tournament record, the players got there in spite of him. He may be good at keeping a happy camp, but hasn’t got a clue how to manage a game.
Has arguably one of the strongest squads in the world, and yet won’t touch his bench when required. Yet another England manager with favourites who play no matter what.
Funny thing is, he didn't start that way, he was pretty quick to get Rooney out of the team and give players a chance. Now he's got his favourites and won't budge unless forced or we're playing inferior opposition.
Gets Middlesbrough relegated within 3 seasons after taking charge of them at 12th in the table. Gets the U21 job for England and fails to make it past the group stage in two successive U21 tournaments. Result? Given the full England job.
What has changed is the vast quality he's inherited in depth, of which only France can match.
What has changed is the vast quality he's inherited in depth, of which only France can match.
Yes he's an average manager but I don't understand the... He got an easy route line... England got knocked out by Iceland and finished below Costa Rica in a World Cup qualifying group in the two tournaments prior to him taking over