Just so you are all aware, in the next month or so there’s going to be a very similar incident in another game and VAR will recommend nothing. Because that seems to be how these things work.
So... Was it a red? (Casemiro / Hughes Royal Rumble)
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Of course, and it usually happens the day after. Watch the City game today, something similar will happen and VAR won't even check
Probably not the best example. As if Tottenham have any sort of fight in them
Welcome back, but let’s not insult our fellow fans for having a different opinion
Probably not the best example. As if Tottenham have any sort of fight in them
Fecking true actually. Maybe Forest vs Leeds then.with shearer explaining it well, is there a chance they overturn it. esp if this gets some momentum on social media. should the fan base be active here? i for one have no sm account, so i am out
Upon new angles and further evidence this should be over turned IMO.
No doubt but to be fair to the Refs and the VAR teams the context of whether or not those players are wearing United shirts in those incidents needs to be taken into consideration.
From the footage at the time of the incident I thought it was an inevitable red. From the different angle shown on MOTD, I think it shouldn't be a red, but may well be because it's still classed as violent conduct. In that case, ETH is right, the rules are being applied selectively.
If the ref was only shown the one angle and the still image, as Shearer and Wright were suggesting, I would have thought it's worth appealing if they're allowed to do so.
Either way, it was still dumb of Casemiro to get in a scrap that way, and not sure how the whole thing blew up the way it did - there wasn't that much provocation.
If the ref was only shown the one angle and the still image, as Shearer and Wright were suggesting, I would have thought it's worth appealing if they're allowed to do so.
Either way, it was still dumb of Casemiro to get in a scrap that way, and not sure how the whole thing blew up the way it did - there wasn't that much provocation.
Baffled anyone could watch that and still think he choked him or should have a red
Should have gone to Specsavers
Shearer has changed my mind - words never uttered before. VAR stitched us up and should have been a yellow at most.
I don't think we will even appeal. It clearly shouldn't have been a red but the club are gambling on the refs to admit one of their own was wrong. I think there are conveniences if we appeal and it is upheld (think it is an additional match ban from memory).
So I asked the all knowing ChapGTP for clarity on the situation:
Me: in soccer what's the refereeing law for a player grabbing another player by the throat
ChatGPT:
Me: in soccer what's the refereeing law for a player grabbing another player by the throat
ChatGPT:
Me: What if a player grabs another players collar with two hands around the neck
So if the offending player grabs the players shirt collar its a red card?
can a team appeal a red card for grabbing a collar if the referee thought he grabbed the other players neck?
Was he?
If they can use VAR 'stills'in situations like this, then every, holding, pushing, shirt pull, and all out mugging, etc performed in every penalty area at every corner or other set piece play should be assessed.... and matches would take 3 to 4 hours to complete.
VAR is a 'new toy' and Refs are learning how it works, we will all continue to suffer as they learn on the job
VAR is a 'new toy' and Refs are learning how it works, we will all continue to suffer as they learn on the job
I’ve changed my mind after seeing the angle clearly showing him only holding his collar. The suspension surely has to be rescinded now? It’s blatantly harsh.
I think it should be appealed. Clearly not violent. It was a melee and he just grabbed Hughes shirt. Ref sent off based on misleading angle.
For sure we should appeal it. It's gone from looking like a harsh red on the original angle, to being plain wrong.
Didn't need to change my mind based on anybody else's opinions.
He was holding him off, if he was acting aggressively, which he wasn't, that would constitute a straight red. Referee was an absolute joke before and after the "incident". Might as well have had a Palace shirt on.
The fact afterwards, pictures from different angles clearly show he actually didn't have a hold of his throat, just cements my initial thoughts.
The initial challenge on Anthony however, was violent conduct. Had no intention of anything other than injuring him.
Was great to see the players coming together to support our own.
He was holding him off, if he was acting aggressively, which he wasn't, that would constitute a straight red. Referee was an absolute joke before and after the "incident". Might as well have had a Palace shirt on.
The fact afterwards, pictures from different angles clearly show he actually didn't have a hold of his throat, just cements my initial thoughts.
The initial challenge on Anthony however, was violent conduct. Had no intention of anything other than injuring him.
Was great to see the players coming together to support our own.
100% Unless there is somebody lying down bleeding or half dead, reviewing only one part of a brawl is idiotic. Case got singled-out for no reason whatsoever. There were worse images, like that punch to Fred, if they were to review everything.
Exactly.
Any chance Hughes helps Casemiro out here?
Yeah and the yes/no poll is virtually level now
Depends if he likes Leeds or Leicester
Bang on.
Sanity, the FA and Utd are rarely seen in the same room.
By good I mean good enough to get a contract to kick a football for Aston Villa. Further than any of us got in our football careers (unless one of youse has played in the prem?). I assume you've all managed to get over that and forge careers outside of football for yourselves. Something Gabbie would definitely have struggled with.
Pat Nevin (I think it was him) on 5Live described it as the worst decision he had ever seen and said the over all refereeing of the game was a shambles. Both pundits on MoTD said it was "very harsh". we should be appealing the decision
Seeing as we’ve got the mass media on our side on this one, I’d fancy our chances with an appeal.
None of the talk nonsense commentators have explained how it is possible to throttle someone while wearing gloves, which will slip and weken the grip, even if that was what was being attempted, which is very clearly untrue.
But they aren't unanimous, and some got it right the first time
I didn't watch this live. I had the radio on on the way back from a shop. The commentator on the radio - I haven't checked who it was - said it should not be a red card and was one of the worst refereeing mistakes he had ever seen.
But they aren't unanimous, and some got it right the first time
I didn't watch this live. I had the radio on on the way back from a shop. The commentator on the radio - I haven't checked who it was - said it should not be a red card and was one of the worst refereeing mistakes he had ever seen.
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see my comment above!...
Yeah. From the first angle it looked harsh relative to everything that was going on around. From this angle it’s no way a red.
Thanks. Appeared while I was writing
Having seen the MOTD where it shows VAR other angle then no, he had the collar not the neck, VAR showed a still and slo-mo seeming to show him grabbing him around the neck, clearly VAR showed a very limited amount of video in order to get the ref to show a red, when they had far more footage and a different angle which shows a more accurate view of what went on, could still be a red but I think if the ref sees the second angle it may not even get a yellow.... FFS if Shearer, Lineker and Wright ABUs say it was not a red, I got to think it was not a red
Watching live on supersport I thought it was a red, and the replays they had supported it, just goes to show, what we see on TV is from the agenda of the VAR officials and can paint quite a different picture depending on how they spin it
Watching live on supersport I thought it was a red, and the replays they had supported it, just goes to show, what we see on TV is from the agenda of the VAR officials and can paint quite a different picture depending on how they spin it
I'm from Canada and I love this sport, I also love hockey as well. I'm being completely honest here it's actually quite embarrassing how soft this sport can be at times. It gets a lot of flack here from non fans with all the diving and flopping around the players do when not even touched, and incidents like the Casemiro red don't help the argument against very well either.
Very likely if they ask him imo. He seems like a quite decent guy. He didn't fake it or cause a scene when Casemiro put his hands on his collar. Many other players would have. They even hugged and laughed afterward.
And everyone will know and say he's a liar and a cnut if he doesn't tell the obvious truth.
I'm not being soft, I just know what the refs and the FA are like.
I don't think it was violent conduct, I just think the head and neck are completely out of the question as to where a ref will send you off for touching, regardless of what you do. More cyncism than being soft.