So let's talk about Eddie Howe....

Bojan11 said:
What do you mean massive difference? Fergie didn’t tell his teams to sit back.
We played attacking football but sat on the counter and played with a lot more aggression than we did in other games. You telling me Howe can’t do that? Bournemouth are a soft touch and I rather come across a team like that to play because I know they’d make life easy for us.
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I didn't say otherwise. Fergie with some slight tweaks to a Man Utd team that could rival any team even without the tweaks. Howe with some slight tweaks to a Bournemouth team that with the gulf betweem them, barely have a chance of competing with the big teams. Fergie's tweaks gets his team over the line; Howe's brings his team closer, but ultimately not enough.
Spot the difference.
 
lsd said:
Yep after another hammering from a top team we still go back to comparing him to Pep and Klopp
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Compare, Liken. You know the difference, I know you do.
el3mel said:
And there will be more pressure and morr expectations.
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Pressure and expectations are the easy parts. If he could get the team firing and fully utilize the tools and quality he'd be provided(the hard part), then he will most likely meet the expectations.
Pressure is exaggarated on this forum.
 
Mcking said:
Compare, Liken. You know the difference, I know you do.

Pressure and expectations are the easy parts. If he could get the team firing and fully utilize the tools and quality he'd be provided(the hard part), then he will most likely meet the expectations.
Pressure is exaggarated on this forum.
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Or underrated by same. Some are trying too hard to push him as ready for a big job while I'm sure he himself knows he still has some time before he steps in a big job. He's still young and definitely there's a good manager in their, but anyone, himself included, can see that he still needs time.
 
el3mel said:
Or underrated by same. Some are trying too hard to push him as ready for a big job while I'm sure he himself knows he still has some time before he steps in a big job. He's still young and definitely there's a good manager in their, but anyone, himself included, can see that he still needs time.
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He'd probably take the job if it is offered to him. Yes, there's that pressure of meeting expectations and all that, but that comes with every job. Pressure on the manager barely affects the performance of the players on the pitch. If he does his job on the training ground and the dressing room properly, then there won't be any pressure.
 
Mcking said:
Are you using this game to judge him?
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These are the exact games he should be judged on. The United job is one of, if not the, biggest position in the sport. Like most jobs, you have to illustrate your ability to be the best whilst competing with the top competitors.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
These are the exact games he should be judged on. The United job is one of, if not the, biggest position in the sport. Like most jobs, you have to illustrate your ability to be the best whilst competing with the top competitors.
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No, you judge him against clubs that are on the same level with Bournemouth, those slightly below, and those slightly above said level. I'd say the league table is a much better medium to use when judging him too.
Football is not an individual or one-man sport like tennis or athletics where the quality of an individual can easily be deduced by pitting him or her against the best.
There's a huge gulf between Liverpool and Bournemouth. A football manager can only work with what he's provided, and it wouldn't be a stretch to say Howe was handicapped facing a club that comfortably beats them in basically every department. You can as well judge him for being unable to compete with City, Pool, Chelsea for the title.
With Man Utd or another top team, he'd get resources that rival that of the big clubs - you can jugde him then.
 
Mcking said:
No, you judge him against clubs that are on the same level with Bournemouth, those slightly below, and those slightly above said level. I'd say the league table is a much better medium to use when judging him too.
Football is not an individual or one-man sport like tennis or athletics where the quality of an individual can easily be deduced by pitting him or her against the best.
There's a huge gulf between Liverpool and Bournemouth. A football manager can only work with what he's provided, and it wouldn't be a stretch to say Howe was handicapped facing a club that comfortably beats them in basically every department. You can as well judge him for being unable to compete with City, Pool, Chelsea for the title.
With Man Utd or another top team, he'd get resources that rival that of the big clubs - you can jugde him then.
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Sorry but that is nonsence . If you are a Bournmouth fan you judge the manager by every game against every team . There is no free passes .

It's the same for Utd managers and every potential Utd manager .

To judge a Utd manager or hopeful you don't just go by what they in league 1 it against smaller teams You look at what they do at the biggest level in the biggest games as that is where you want a Utd manager to perform
 
If we hire this guy, well be talking about his potential replacement within 3 months into his 1st season. I think, like Moyes, this is his level. For a guy with no experience of high level to get a great job like United, he should be performing miracles to even be considered like a potential candidate. People talk about Guardiola and Zidane, but those 2 were doing incredible job with their youth teams; they weren't given the job out of nothing. The Bournemouth performance against us fooled me too into thinking he'd be a considered as a possible candidate but since I started to pay attention to their games, I find nothing special into this Bournemouth team apart from the over hyped of young British manager.

I'd prefer to give McKenna a chance over this unknown quantity. Please Ed, stay away.
 
Mcking said:
No, you judge him against clubs that are on the same level with Bournemouth, those slightly below, and those slightly above said level. I'd say the league table is a much better medium to use when judging him too.
Football is not an individual or one-man sport like tennis or athletics where the quality of an individual can easily be deduced by pitting him or her against the best.
There's a huge gulf between Liverpool and Bournemouth. A football manager can only work with what he's provided, and it wouldn't be a stretch to say Howe was handicapped facing a club that comfortably beats them in basically every department. You can as well judge him for being unable to compete with City, Pool, Chelsea for the title.
With Man Utd or another top team, he'd get resources that rival that of the big clubs - you can jugde him then.
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Not if he's vying for the United job. He needs to be judged against every team - particularly the top ones.
 
Did someone seriously compare SAF pre-united to Eddie Howe????

SAF was already a serial winner before he came to United, he competed with the big two in Scotland, when Scottish football was a top league unlike now. He won 9 trophies in 8 years for god's sake, including a European cup beating Bayern Munich and Real Madrid in the process.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Not if he's vying for the United job. He needs to be judged against every team - particularly the top ones.
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Well, perhaps see how he manages or something like that, but he shouldn't be expected to beat Liverpool. Take a look at the league table, he tops the best of the rest, and I'd say that is a much more fitting metric.
 
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lsd said:
Sorry but that is nonsence . If you are a Bournmouth fan you judge the manager by every game against every team . There is no free passes .

It's the same for Utd managers and every potential Utd manager .

To judge a Utd manager or hopeful you don't just go by what they in league 1 it against smaller teams You look at what they do at the biggest level in the biggest games as that is where you want a Utd manager to perform
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What rubbish.

Would you pass negative judgement on the manager of Accrington Stanley for losing away against Man. City in the FA Cup?

I for one sincerely hope that when Mourinho is sacked United go down the same old 'big name' route - probably on the basis that said manager won some trophies when managing a big team with a big budget in a not very competitive league.
 
lsd said:
Sorry but that is nonsence . If you are a Bournmouth fan you judge the manager by every game against every team . There is no free passes .

It's the same for Utd managers and every potential Utd manager .

To judge a Utd manager or hopeful you don't just go by what they in league 1 it against smaller teams You look at what they do at the biggest level in the biggest games as that is where you want a Utd manager to perform
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As Man Utd manager, he won't be managing at the biggest level in the biggest games with Bournemouth players. It is the difference between managing Manchester United and managing Bournemouth, you get to manage and utilize players that'd rival that of the biggest teams. It is much easier to compete when you have players that are as good that of your rivals. Relative to the quality of the players and the strength of the club, his rivals right now are those teams that are currently and firmly below him in the league table. If he's managed to top the lower mini-league, a case can easily be made for him being able to top the top six if he is managing one of them.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
These are the exact games he should be judged on. The United job is one of, if not the, biggest position in the sport. Like most jobs, you have to illustrate your ability to be the best whilst competing with the top competitors.
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Haha that’s a joke right? Then we should have sacked Fergie after Newcastle bashes is 5-0, or when we kept getting knocked out in champions league, or when Southampton beat us 6-3 or when Liverpool beat us 5 times in a row 1-0.

Absolute bollox
 
GlastonSpur said:
What rubbish.

Would you pass negative judgement on the manager of Accrington Stanley for losing away against Man. City in the FA Cup?

I for one sincerely hope that when Mourinho is sacked United go down the same old 'big name' route - probably on the basis that said manager won some trophies when managing a big team with a big budget in a not very competitive league.
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Did you read my post ? Tell me where I mentioned Accrington Stanley please .

I specifically said if you were a Bournemouth fan ie premiership team then you expect to me judged on every game . How you approach it and how you perform ,but hey feel free to read from that Im saying Rochdale under 11s should beat Real Madrid .
 
I just honestly could not care about success. All I want is for us to have a manager who brings our reserve squad up to the top to make up our squad numbers by initiating a class of 2019. I see Howe doing that more than Jose. Im open to Pochettino but he would be under the pressure to win the league to the point where he may only be able to use a few.

I like the fact that Howe, butt, Carrick would be made to manage here whilst we wonder between ourselves how long it will be before we win the league again. The lack of expectation between the fans and the club as a whole may give them the right environment to progress with the team they attempt to build something that is 50% United 50% world wide in origin.

Success can come later - I just want us to get back to our roots. Why we expect us to have success without our homegrown players making up the squad i dont know - has it ever happened before? Add to the fact that whilst the French home grown players look amazing, the english homegrown players look better technically than they have ever done before.
 
Mcking said:
Pressure and expectations are the easy parts. If he could get the team firing and fully utilize the tools and quality he'd be provided(the hard part), then he will most likely meet the expectations.
Pressure is exaggarated on this forum.
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Not exaggerated at all. Look at Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho before and after managing at Manchester United. They look like they have gone through wars.
 
tieunhilang said:
Not exaggerated at all. Look at Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho before and after managing at Manchester United. They look like they have gone through wars.
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Moyes' failure, Van Gaal's failure and Mourinho's potential failure has barely got anything to do with pressure.
 
:lol::lol::lol::lol: at the people who dismiss him because he couldn't beat the likes of pep and klopp. What a jokers you are
 
Can't stand all the media hype, hype tripe about this fella. He's won naff all and would be laughed at by the players at Old who have actually won the big trophies.
He'd be just as much a gamble as Moyes (won nowt) was. A big no from me.
We need Jose out asap but his replacement needs to be a proven manager who can handle the big money players and their agents and egos.
Just my opinion of course, I might be wrong but I doubt it.
 
If we are going down a "dark horse route" then Giggsy should have been given the job. Done it all and won it all, no player under his leadership would have won more, the ideal man to look up to and he knows United inside out, and probably a few of the players girlfriends too!
 
68Guns said:
Can't stand all the media hype, hype tripe about this fella. He's won naff all and would be laughed at by the players at Old who have actually won the big trophies.
He'd be just as much a gamble as Moyes (won nowt) was. A big no from me.
We need Jose out asap but his replacement needs to be a proven manager who can handle the big money players and their agents and egos.
Just my opinion of course, I might be wrong but I doubt it.
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How’s jose working out, ticks all the boxes you mentioned, Must be just bad luck it’s gone a little wrong
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Now that IS a curveball...!

Not heard anyone else make that call.

Why would you go for him? I've barely watched anything of Huddersfield so I'm not really in the know as to what he'd offer.
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He's a great coach off the ball which IMO is the biggest difference between coaches pre Pep era to the current era. His team plays with the right intensity and an aggressive style that us as United fans would appreciate.
 
Springfield WildCats said:
How’s jose working out, ticks all the boxes you mentioned, Must be just bad luck it’s gone a little wrong
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He's not working out now (should've been sacked in the Summer if they weren't gonna back him) - but he's won 2 trophies in his time here...

I'm not sure Howe would've been able to do that.

Winning trophies isn't as easy as is often presumed - just ask Spurs.
 
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Aloysius's Back 3 said:
:lol:
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I've never heard something more pathetic in my life. :lol: every excuse has been made for our multi millionaire decorated manager for not beating/competing with City in the derby (ed didn't back him, he hasn't got defenders etc you name it) and some more will be made next week against Liverpool I'm sure yet they expected a manager operating on shoestring of a budget to beat those same teams . Jokers. :lol:Why didn't they use the same excuses for eddie howe then? When he got beaten by Liverpool? he deserves a similar chance at big club I would say.
Even more funny is his team have only scored 3 less goals than us but without anyone near the quality or potential of a Martial, Pogba or DDG in his team . Could you imagine if you gave him those players and other good players like Herrera, Rashford, Fred, Mata, Dalot , Bailly ? Wouldn't be doing any worse than Jose
 
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tieunhilang said:
Not exaggerated at all. Look at Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho before and after managing at Manchester United. They look like they have gone through wars.
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You're right. After managing at Real, Barcelona, Inter, Bayern, Ajax, Porto and winning 15 league titles in 5 countries and 3 champions leagues titles between them, Mourinho and Van Gaal just couldn't manage the unique pressures at Man Utd.
 
68Guns said:
Can't stand all the media hype, hype tripe about this fella. He's won naff all and would be laughed at by the players at Old who have actually won the big trophies.
He'd be just as much a gamble as Moyes (won nowt) was. A big no from me.
We need Jose out asap but his replacement needs to be a proven manager who can handle the big money players and their agents and egos.
Just my opinion of course, I might be wrong but I doubt it.
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You take an interesting view here. If the former statement were true should we hire a manager such as Howe "players would laugh at". I'd first be inclined to try and show those players the door. It's much easier said than done of course and player power seems at an all time high. I subscribe to what Fergie said on many occasions as soon as a player feels he's bigger than the club or manager he's gone (much easier for Fergie to say that compared to Howe I add).
I certainly think you have a point about the external footballing factors though as how much exposure a less experienced manager has of these extremes (very top players, agents, press scrutiny etc). It's a lions den if they are not supported by people with vast experience. Outside of football matters Ed seems to have his head screwed on but in terms of translating that to success on the pitch the jury is still out.
Do you think a director of football might be a possible solution to hiring a unproven manager?
 
There’s some obsession here with trophies as if it’s the only thing that matters.
I don't know, I feel very little connection to the club and most of the players.
I’m looking forward to someone who’ll come in, unite the players, will give our youngsters a proper chance, rather that than winning the odd cup here and there, it means feck all when most of the players are a bunch of mercenaries.
We must rebuild the club, and take a chance and use the fantastic crop of youngsters coming through,and build on that, even if that means a trophy drought for a couple of years.

Ask yourself seriously, don’t laught it off, why are you as fans so obsessed with trophies? You’re not getting paid for that.
Arsenal won like 3 FA cups in 4 years or something, no one gave a shit, they were still a broken side by their standards.

Get this man in.
 
Need to be more ruthless as a club - Chelsea are the most successful PL club of recent times and they've done it with a permanent state of instability. Get Mou, get a new manager in and guess what, if he fails, get another.

You continue like this until you find someone who is good enough and then you do everything you can to keep them as long as you can. Same in any job in any industry, there's no magic formula you have to find the right person for the job.
 
Sir Scott McToMinay said:
There’s some obsession here with trophies as if it’s the only thing that matters.
I don't know, I feel very little connection to the club and most of the players.
I’m looking forward to someone who’ll come in, unite the players, will give our youngsters a proper chance, rather that than winning the odd cup here and there, it means feck all when most of the players are a bunch of mercenaries.
We must rebuild the club, and take a chance and use the fantastic crop of youngsters coming through,and build on that, even if that means a trophy drought for a couple of years.

Ask yourself seriously, don’t laught it off, why are you as fans so obsessed with trophies? You’re not getting paid for that.
Arsenal won like 3 FA cups in 4 years or something, no one gave a shit, they were still a broken side by their standards.

Get this man in.
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Every fan/footballer or someone who is into sports as soon as he knows how to count wants to win (or his favorite club for that matter) - simple as.

The equivalent of pretty loss is to give the fat lad the 10th place medal. It encourages mediocrity and frankly who cares about it in the end?
 
Enigma_87 said:
Every fan/footballer or someone who is into sports as soon as he knows how to count wants to win (or his favorite club for that matter) - simple as.

The equivalent of pretty loss is to give the fat lad the 10th place medal. It encourages mediocrity and frankly who cares about it in the end?
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That’s fine, but I’ve felt more excitement with Rashford scoring a brace vs Arsenal in his PL debut than I were with the EL win, let alone that league cup.
Trophies are great but when the club is in shambles and there’s no identity they worth very little in my opinion.
 
Sir Scott McToMinay said:
That’s fine, but I’ve felt more excitement with Rashford scoring a brace vs Arsenal in his PL debut than I were with the EL win, let alone that league cup.
Trophies are great but when the club is in shambles and there’s no identity they worth very little in my opinion.
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Sure, watching young lads developing and becoming world class for your team is one of the best feelings out there, but with United you "get used" to success and it's hard to watch them struggle on consistent basis. Especially given the current stature of the club and the money that they are throwing in.

I can understand having the budget of Newcastle, but we should be competing for trophies and certainly not accepting 5th-6th places even if we play beautiful football.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Beaten soundly by Nuno, Wolves up to 7th after also beating Chelsea and drawing with City.

If we're gonna give the Utd job to a lower league manager it should be Nuno Santo.
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All going a bit wrong for Bournemouth. They had more shots, possession, higher dribble and pass success. Yet Wolves beat them 2-0.

I like the look of Wolves this season. Their results so far against the top 6 is impressive too:

Wolves 1 : 1 City
United 1 : 1 Wolves
Wolves 2 : 3 Tottenham
Arsenal 1 : 1 Wolves
Wolves 2 : 1 Chelsea

Wolves Transfers in Last 3 Seasons - €152,460,000
Bournemouth Transfers in Last 3 Seasons - €130,100,000

Anyway back to Bournemouth. They still have some pretty nasty fixtures coming up, could drop down the table fast.
 
This thread getting more embarrassing by the day . Surely most people can see by now appointing Howe would be the worst managerial decision we have ever made .

I'd take back Van Gaal with Moyes as his no 2 over Howe any day of the week
 
He's clearly a somewhat decent manager and is doing a good job with Bournemouth, but yeah, not sure he's shown anywhere near enough to look like a potential top manager yet.
 
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