Drastically similar to Moyes in terms of the big club record and budgeting. I do think Howe plays better football but I don't think that this negativity should be taken lightly.
So let's talk about Eddie Howe....
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Drastically similar to Moyes in terms of the big club record and budgeting. I do think Howe plays better football but I don't think that this negativity should be taken lightly.
Why would anyone critise him for his approach against big teams? How stupid is that?
That approach is the same approach that's got Bournemouth where they are and beating all the other small teams . much rather do that than park the bus one game and play attacking football in another game which leads to inconsistent results .
That approach is the same approach that's got Bournemouth where they are and beating all the other small teams . much rather do that than park the bus one game and play attacking football in another game which leads to inconsistent results .
He's done a good job there but see absolutely nothing to suggest we should want him. There's 15 shit teams in this league, some are naturally going be high up because of that, doesn't mean we should be considering all their managers.
Would love to see him at the club.
He has got a defined positive style and philosophy like Klopp, Pep, Bielsa and if anything, he should be likened to those guys rather than the underwhelming British managers he's been lumped in with. We've never got to see Pep manage in a side as small as Bournemouth, but I'm convinced he'd be a lot similar to Howe in the big games rather than resort to a cowardly style just to get a result.
Did Fergie 'resort to a cowardly style' against Barca in semi-final where we actually beat them...?
Did Foxes 'resort to a cowardly style' in order to win the PL...?
Don't be daft.
To suggest Guardiola wouldn't be more tactically astute than Eddie fecking Howe is bordering on WUM.
Howe gets credit for 'taking it to the big boys', but in reality he basically rolls over and gives them the points - today being prime example against a tired Liverpool with a huge game mid-week with no Mané. Howe could've made it an unpleasant game for them, but instead he basically just hands them the points.
Wolves manager has in 1 season shown more grit and guile against the big-boys than Eddie Howe has in his entire career - lets start talking about giving him the Utd job instead?
I'd call those things tactical changes rather than plan B or whatever, and I'd say Howe does them a lot of times too. In some games, he proactively goes with a 5 man backline, 3 man backline, 3 man midfield drop one of the strikers deeper, push the fullbacks deeper or slightly forward etc - he does those things in-game a lot of times too. Ultimately, those changes make little difference in the big games, but it is understandable looking at the financial difference between the top teams and them. Also he's pretty good at turning a game in his team's favour with slight tactical changes, and the points they have won under him in the EPL from losing positions is a testament to that.
You are doing him a massive disservice by comparing him to Fergie too. There is a massive difference between making changes to a Manchester United team in order to beat Arsenal, and making changes to a Bournemouth team in order to beat the same team.
I would have loved to have read your opinion after some of the hammerings SAF took
6-3 Vs Southampton. 4-1 vs Middlesbrough, 5-0 Vs Newcastle etc
What do you mean massive difference? Fergie didn’t tell his teams to sit back.
We played attacking football but sat on the counter and played with a lot more aggression than we did in other games. You telling me Howe can’t do that? Bournemouth are a soft touch and I rather come across a team like that to play because I know they’d make life easy for us.
Oh yes one off games in 27 years. Well done.
He goes toe to toe with the best sides in the league. When you do that with inferior players you will lose more often than not.
It's down to the style of play.
Just reading your posts you seem like just another poster that can't differentiate the differences between a team the size of Bournemouth and mammoth sized clubs, but well done
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@Bojan11 I think the other guys make good points here. So your theory that Howe has no plan B, as a reason to denigrate him, is hypocritical when comparing with other managers. Especially as you used tactical changes as a plan B yet failed to mention Howes which another poster has generously mentioned.
Yes because prior to those games Fergie had never achieved anything worth talking about either ???
Yep after another hammering from a top team we still go back to comparing him to Pep and Klopp
Agian, stop comparing United to Bournemouth, they are worlds apart.
Its the choice of play. Taking a hammering due to it can happen.
Anyway you seem very much a hindsight guy. No doubt you would pop up after they get beat by the league leaders and 2nd best ball playing side in the league
Wolves manager got a draw from City and beat Chelsea this season - should he be in with a shout for Utd job as well?
And they could end up relegated, in their first year.Did the Wolves manager take them from the second division to PL as well? What is your point?
My point, fairly obviously, is that you are claiming Howe's performances against the big-boys are somehow indicative of a manager with the quality to manage United - yet Wolves manager has done better - far better - than Howe against the big sides this season.
So lets throw him into the daftness as well... but then, he's not a 'young British manager', so his achievements aren't ridiculously over-hyped.
Arguing the toss for Eddie Howe to take over United is one thing - doing it the same day that he rolls over for a tired Liverpool with one eye on the CL is another.
Give over, and let it go.
This is the main difference managing a mid table team and a top 4 team. You have to adapt to the situation and the strength of the opponents. Bournemouth can afford to lose games against big teams without sacrificing the mid table position. But handling such situations while managing a big team is whole new ball game. Not judgin howe by one bad apple ( Moyes) but it's not as easy as people make it seem to be!
Well said that man.
This Eddie Howe nonsense has to stop .one bad result against Liverpool doesn't make him a bad manager. But some good early season form doesn't make him heir to the United throne either.
Not the answer for United at our current stage. Would easily take 5-6 other managers over him.
Such BS. You are simply ignoring everything he has done before to get them here and the progress they are making.
But yeah, cherry pick your argument.
You are simply creating things that don't exist or have said. My argument is against the idoits that always appear when a team or player doesnt play well, always happens. Some people simply hold the opinion you only as good as your last game, but this is purely agenda driven.
You do realise how much Wolves have spend this season, the player network they have and they are sitting below Bournemouth. It shows idiotic the comparison you are making. Sigh
Anyway, since you want to do the comparison, Wolves spend more than half of what Bournemouth have spent in the summer then Howe has since he took over in 2008
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I know theres alot of anti British posters on here, but out interest, what is your nationality.
I'm English.
Still can be anti british. Just had a quick scan through your posts and the fact he's English seems a issue for you, mention it several times.
Funny thing is only a few days ago, you said you would be "fully onboard" if Bournemouth beat Liverpool, only to completely dismiss the idea after the game. So just one result? It's a total contradiction with your Wolves comparison. Complete flip flop judgement.
You've even suggested Marco Silva instead
, I guess relegation, quickly sacked and limited loyalty is more a qualification for you...Before game
After game
I'm not anti british but I'm well aware of how overrated English players and managers are on here and throughout the media .
It's normal patriotism I know but in cases like this and the whole "it's coming home " rubbish it gets a bit over the top at tines
Still can be anti british. Just had a quick scan through your posts and the fact he's English seems a issue for you, mention it several times.
Funny thing is only a few days ago, you said you would be "fully onboard" if Bournemouth beat Liverpool, only to completely dismiss the idea after the game. So just one result? It's a total contradiction with your Wolves comparison. Complete flip flop judgement.
You've even suggested Marco Silva instead
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The 'if he beats Liverpool' is a tongue in cheek post as a Utd fan, I've been consistent with my views on Howe on here from day one - it's a stupid, laughable decision to suggest him for the juggernaut that is Manchester United.
To suggest I'm 'anti-British' despite me being British is genuinely weird. I'm actually proud of being British. But I'm not a cheerleader for anything British, or for British managers over anyone else - why should I be?
Young British managers are often over-hyped in my opinion, you seem to be one of those people who doesn't just think otherwise, but thinks the opposite, that's fair enough, that's your call.
And I actually stand by the shout that Marco Silva will do better at a big club than Eddie Howe and in fact, I think we will see this in the future.
I think Silva will ultimately go further than Howe as a manager and will win more.
Time will tell, and if I'm wrong (as I often have been in the past) then I'll be the first to give credit to Howe.
You can definitely see a good manager in there, still definitely not up for a big job any time soon. People are struggling between the extremes, either underrate or overrate.
Do United fans really care? I would say we'd be more interested if he was German or Spanish tbh (or indeed, Portuguese...)
Anyway out of interest I googled the values of each PL team to see where Bournemouth rank and they're 17th... in almost every other instance each team's position reflects their current league position, more or less.
https://www.90min.com/posts/6150916...s-on-the-market-value-of-their-2018-19-squads
To put this into a bit of perspective, Bournemouths total transfer fees aren't even close to half of what Liverpool spent in the summer of 2018..It's a bit amusing that people expect so much of them, yet continue to downplay Eddie Howe's abilities as a manager.
No one (i hope) is suggesting Eddie Howe simply based on Bournemouth's great start to the season, but based on his overall achievements with Bournemouth and his mentality as a manager. Establishing his side in the premier league after such a quick rise from League two is pretty astonishing, especially given the fact that they do their best to play attacking football. In 09/10 they were in league two, 2015/2016 they are playing Premier League football and manage to keep their place, 16/17 they finish 9th, 17/18 they finish 12th. Most teams would get relegated in their first season after such a rise from the lower leagues.
It's not like Pochettino dominated the league in his first full season with Southampton, when he was approached for the Tottenham job. They saw potential combined with a profile they wanted for Tottenham going forward, not isolating results. Now he's suddenly one of the most attractive managers...
No one (i hope) is suggesting Eddie Howe simply based on Bournemouth's great start to the season, but based on his overall achievements with Bournemouth and his mentality as a manager. Establishing his side in the premier league after such a quick rise from League two is pretty astonishing, especially given the fact that they do their best to play attacking football. In 09/10 they were in league two, 2015/2016 they are playing Premier League football and manage to keep their place, 16/17 they finish 9th, 17/18 they finish 12th. Most teams would get relegated in their first season after such a rise from the lower leagues.
It's not like Pochettino dominated the league in his first full season with Southampton, when he was approached for the Tottenham job. They saw potential combined with a profile they wanted for Tottenham going forward, not isolating results. Now he's suddenly one of the most attractive managers...
I’d take Howe.
If Poch left Spurs they’d get Howe and we’d bemoan that we were never interested. At least we would attack every game.
If Poch left Spurs they’d get Howe and we’d bemoan that we were never interested. At least we would attack every game.
At big team he would have more quality players obviously . You don't have to adapt to the situation in most cases. You just have better indviduals to carry out the game plan.
He's a manager that has found a niche and has done well with it. Would he be able to succeed at a dysfunctional club like ours? Absolutely not, he is completely out of his depth. LVG and Mourinho couldn't make up for our shambolic scouting system, Eddie Howe's scouting would be even worse, we're talking picking from the championship and lower leagues since that is where he has the most reach. We might get a few Bournemouth players as well but that's about the best his scouting would do.
If we had a consistent and long performing scouting system for the 1st team, then Howe would perform much better. But that's not what we do at the club, most of the scouting work is done by the manager and their network/contacts throughout the industry.
If we had a consistent and long performing scouting system for the 1st team, then Howe would perform much better. But that's not what we do at the club, most of the scouting work is done by the manager and their network/contacts throughout the industry.
Yes true there will be quality players, but that does not always guarantee success does it? in that case Moyes should have won the league he had quality all around in the dressing room.
like i said, I am not saying Eddie Howe will not do well in a big club, but assuming he will do well because he favors attacking football is not a logical!
Just out of curiosity what exactly has Silva done that is so impressive most of the Portuguese posters who have actually followed him prior to his exploits in pl don't seem to rate him highly ,has he done great job at Everton just asking because he did struggle at both Hull and Watford after starting brightly.
This sums up Redcafe well, I guess. The thing is, people tend to go way hyperbole on "hipster football" or "CV stacked with trophies". I think we need someone with the right balance.
He is not a bad manager but he's not United quality yet.
The pressures that this job demands means that it is a completely different ball game.
I think Spurs after Pochettino leaves would be a great job for him.
The pressures that this job demands means that it is a completely different ball game.
I think Spurs after Pochettino leaves would be a great job for him.
It was easier for Fergie to resort to a defensive style because we managed to put in a stunning 25 yarder despite looking out of sorts for minutes. I'm pretty sure you didn't miss our next two meetings with Barcelona were SAF took the EPL champions to Rome, to Wembley. We conceded the first goals and twice, got rolled over in a way more fitting of a Man City-Bournemouth game.
I'd say it is much easier for Pep to demonstrate his tactical astuteness too when he can just sub off Delph for Sane or Mahrez. We are yet to see Pep manage a team without a great set of players, so it wouldn't be outrageous to suggest that he probably wouldn't be able to do a job as good as Howe has done at Bournemouth if he found himself in the same situation.
Leicester had a defined style that they pretty-much deployed every game. I wouldn't say they 'resorted' to cowardly tactics in games as it was their style, and you can make a case for that team being similar to Howe's Bournemouth in the sense that they were a team that always stuck to their style in every game.
I admit that the Wolves manager has shown grit, guile etc against the big teams and I also admit that Wolves spent a lot in the summer and bought very well. Ultimately, Nuno's Wolves team sit 4 points behind Howe's Bournemouth, 10 less goals scored, 2 less games won and five places behind - the league is not entirely made up of the so-called big-boys. Nuno need more years in the EPL to show what he can do too and if he proves himself, then I wouldn't be against him getting the gig if it is available then.
And there will be more pressure and morr expectations.