Smashley Young

Silent_Running said:
He obviously is, Varun. Everybody said when he arrived that he would make a useful deputy no.10, and whilst I disagreed with that point then and still do now, it's clear that he's a player that wants to drift inside, and looks uncomfortable being told by Moyes that he can't do that.
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Nobody's stopping him from drifting inside, on the contrary thats whats expected of him. But he's someone who prefers to cut in and cross rather than drift in and get involved in the play intricately like say a Kagawa. The problem is that he doesnt have a Carew or a Heskey here and to complicate matters further, he seems to have totally lost the ability to beat players. Him being a pussy doesnt help either. He looks more eager to win a foul than take a shot on goal.

Also, there's a huge difference between cutting in from the left to move centrally and starting in the middle. He has nothing in his box to succeed as a number 10 at a club like ours.
 
He'd do well to work on that left foot of his. You're as good as hopeless as a winger if you have to cut the ball back at the end of each of your run. It makes your ability to beat a man for pace almost useless. One thing Nani has playing on the right is the ability to get a cross in with his right or cut back in on his left, it means the defender cannot force him onto a weaker side. With Young, all they need to do is anticipate when he is going to pull it back.
 
Young can work on what he wants, it doesn't matter. He doesn't have the bollocks to play for the club and that's the top and bottom of it. It's why he will leave in the near future. I'm also quite sure that when he gets his move, he'll play well elsewhere under a lot less pressure to perform. I've said from the outset, Young is a good player. He has talent and has torn apart a vast majority of the full backs in the Premier League. His problem is that he's a coward, and that will never change.
 
Brosstan said:
No one really said this.
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Oh, really?


Eirik Raude said:
As I said, he can also play central attacking, which he will do to some extent.
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Ekeke said:
He can play behind a striker yes, but who is being left out then?
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scottish_red said:
I just wonder if we could play him in a 3 man midfield, being the more advanced of the 3, with Carrick and Anderson behind. Would be devastating counter attacking play if anything.
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KM said:
Young... did a very good job for Villa as a second striker.
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To say Young isn't a versatile player is to disregard the majority of his career... focussing simply on the last two years, which haven't been his best, is rather myopic. I don't mind whatsoever if you don't rate him, although those who hate him I disagree with.
 
Revan said:
Even the broken watch is correct twice a day (or something like that).

He has had about 5 good games in United shirt (and one excellent one). That's all we can say good about him in his two and a half years he has been here.

One of the rare times I completely agree with Annahnomoss, Young doesn't surprise anyone. We all expect him to give bad performances, not score, not make assists, make bad crosses and dive. He never fails to fullfill those expectations. IMO he is a worse player than other Caf favorites, Ando and Buttner and should be the first one to get moved.
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I'm not disagreeing, I'm saying were his goals flukes or is he capable of a nice shot?
 
Eric'sCollar said:
I'm not disagreeing, I'm saying were his goals flukes or is he capable of a nice shot?
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I never replied because I wasn't sure if you were joking or not. Ashley has scored in 4 EPL games out of 48 since he joined United which is equal to Jonny Evans in the same period, less than Evra for example and just one more than Rafael.

For a player like Ashley who averages a lot of shots per game that is abysmal. A 30 game without a goal-streak for a player you consider to be a great shooter.

I get your point though, that if you have a free-kick competition Ashley will do pretty well. But to me part of being a great shooter is finding the space to shoot which is something Ashley is terrible at. Almost every time he shoots he is read like a book and the defender blocks the shot easily.

These aren't even CL teams or the top teams defenders we are talking about. Even the newcomers wing-back have Young in his pocket the entire game.
 
He just needs a change of scenery. He's clearly not as bad as some make him out to be, nor is he anywhere near the villain some also claim (if he had Ronaldo's skill, we wouldn't care half as much.) He's just not quite good enough for us. Maybe Villa will have him back?
 
jem said:
He just needs a change of scenery. He's clearly not as bad as some make him out to be, nor is he anywhere near the villain some also claim (if he had Ronaldo's skill, we wouldn't care half as much.) He's just not quite good enough for us. Maybe Villa will have him back?
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I don't think Villa would have him back unless it was a loan move. He might leave if a club like QPR get promoted and start signing average players again or if Big Sam decides he wants another average winger to supply Big Andy. He is most likely to see out his contract.
 
jem said:
He just needs a change of scenery. He's clearly not as bad as some make him out to be, nor is he anywhere near the villain some also claim (if he had Ronaldo's skill, we wouldn't care half as much.) He's just not quite good enough for us. Maybe Villa will have him back?
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The problem is that he is one of our highest paid players and has 3 years left on that contract. He has also since he arrived here started an equal percent of the games as our other starting wingers.

Young has had as many starts as Januzaj and Kagawa and just one less than Nani and Welbeck.

I mean he is not going to consider leaving unless we stop playing him which we seriously need to do. We already have Welbeck Januzaj and Zaha who need every single minute they can get.

I think Young could be a star for any non-top team who are ready to change their style around Young.
 
Silent_Running said:
You challenged my point, so I made the effort and took the time to back it up with evidence. At least have the courtesy to say "fair enough".
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Should have quoted me In your reply then.

Anyways, fair enough but 4 people on A forum like Caf doesnt say much.
 
Annahnomoss said:
The problem is that he is one of our highest paid players and has 3 years left on that contract. He has also since he arrived here started an equal percent of the games as our other starting wingers.

Young has had as many starts as Januzaj and Kagawa and just one less than Nani and Welbeck.

I mean he is not going to consider leaving unless we stop playing him which we seriously need to do. We already have Welbeck Januzaj and Zaha who need every single minute they can get.

I think Young could be a star for any non-top team who are ready to change their style around Young.
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He isnt good enough to Have a team built around Him. Not unless he goes for a really low Club
 
Varun_Utd said:
Anyways, fair enough but 4 people on A forum like Caf doesnt say much.
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I could have quoted many more, but here's Sir Alex saying it:


RDCR07 said:
Football | Barclays Premier League | Fergie impressed by Young debut | ESPNSTAR.com
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Surely you will accept the point now?

My argument isn't that Young is a great No.10... as I mentioned, I doubted that even when many thought he would be good cover for Rooney in that position. The only perspective I'm trying to purvey is that Young has demonstrated beyond doubt in his career that he can be a versatile player, that he does like to roam inside and be involved in the creative play.

For some reason, that isn't happening at the moment, but then we're going through a period where all of our wingers have been struggling for a while.
 
Silent_Running said:
I could have quoted many more, but here's Sir Alex saying it:




Surely you will accept the point now?

My argument isn't that Young is a great No.10... as I mentioned, I doubted that even when many thought he would be good cover for Rooney in that position. The only perspective I'm trying to purvey is that Young has demonstrated beyond doubt in his career that he can be a versatile player, that he does like to roam inside and be involved in the creative play.

For some reason, that isn't happening at the moment, but then we're going through a period where all of our wingers have been struggling for a while.
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I have no idea what you are arguing about. You just quoted a post I made almost 2 and 1/2 years ago.
 
Silent_Running said:
I could have quoted many more, but here's Sir Alex saying it:




Surely you will accept the point now?

My argument isn't that Young is a great No.10... as I mentioned, I doubted that even when many thought he would be good cover for Rooney in that position. The only perspective I'm trying to purvey is that Young has demonstrated beyond doubt in his career that he can be a versatile player, that he does like to roam inside and be involved in the creative play.

For some reason, that isn't happening at the moment, but then we're going through a period where all of our wingers have been struggling for a while.
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I dont disagree with any of that.

What am saying is, no one is stopping him from drifting in and getting involved. Its him that prefers to cut inside the fullback and put the cross in. What has happened is that its all too predictable now and he seems to have lost the ability to beat his man too.

You seem to be trying to blame someone else for his poor form, i dont. Its him that is to blame.
 
Cina said:
He had a pretty good AV side built around him.

He's still a good player, just not a Utd player.
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I wont say it was built around him. Agree with the rest of it though. He'd be a good option for a lower club, not close to CL standard though let alone Man Utd.
 
Varun_Utd said:
I dont disagree with any of that.

What am saying is, no one is stopping him from drifting in and getting involved. Its him that prefers to cut inside the fullback and put the cross in. What has happened is that its all too predictable now and he seems to have lost the ability to beat his man too.

You seem to be trying to blame someone else for his poor form, i dont. Its him that is to blame.
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No, I don't. Injuries haven't helped, but he has to take responsibility. I'm sure we both want him to turn it around and become a better player for us.
 
Who was the last player we had (still at this club) who was despised by the caf as much as Young? I'm struggling to imagine or remember a player who did.
 
I think some of the problem is that seemingly the majority see him as being a squad player at best and so when he starts over others who are fit and available and then doesn't deliver it annoys some people. If he were just used when there was an obvious need I don't think people would mind as much. Sort of like Park towards the end really, he was coming in for some games over others and it was really questionable why as he clearly wasn't performing at the level he had been and there wasn't really anyone who was slacking like Ronaldo used to that required someone like Park to balance the team. Young unfortunately doesn't have any of the affection built up that Park did though.

Plus I think there's just the general vibe that he wants to be too safe and too reliant on the full back overlapping. Valencia can also be very predictable but he seems more efficient at it than Young does and Nani can frustrate but at least he's trying to do something different.
 
I think the problem is his passive playing style. Even when he "plays well" he just does the basics of what you'd expect a winger at a good club to do. Its hard to get excited by a performance thats finally the minimum you expect of him, having seen 3 poor performances before you finally got it. It also doesnt help when his crossing and set pieces are poor as we know he should be doing better than that. Those were the 2 things he was known for when he signed for us
 
Red Shorts said:
To the point where fans were calling him a disgrace to our club, pages of it too? I know Nani gets slated heavily for a game, but people are genuinely calling for Young's head right now, both for the diving and the inability to do much out on the wing.
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People wanted rid of Nani this summer too. Plenty of references to play acting and not doing enough at the club
 
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Fair play to him.
 
Yeh, think what we want of him as a player but that's great to see. Good on him.
 
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