I don't know... I think Young has taken "the Pires" to a whole new level. When Pires did it, there was an element of "what actually happened there?" to it, it was quite artfully excecuted really (to be expected from a man of far superior talent than Young). When Young does it, he looks like a fecking idiot.
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I don't know... I think Young has taken "the Pires" to a whole new level. When Pires did it, there was an element of "what actually happened there?" to it, it was quite artfully excecuted really (to be expected from a man of far superior talent than Young). When Young does it, he looks like a fecking idiot.
You see folks, this us where you'll end up if you value a smug sense of moral superiority above winning games.
Like Arsenal you'll never win anything.
Like Arsenal you'll never win anything.
Pires dived as much as Young! Hahaha...you lot are funny.
It's fine, I understand how embarrassed you must be having a dirty cheat like that wearing your shirt.
It's fine, I understand how embarrassed you must be having a dirty cheat like that wearing your shirt.
It was a foul and a dive. The defender was beaten so had a tug at Young's arm, Young then decided to do his ridiculous fish out of water impression.
I'd be less annoyed if he didn't look like such a spastic fairy when he dives. He's incredibly shit at it.
I'd be less annoyed if he didn't look like such a spastic fairy when he dives. He's incredibly shit at it.
Not at all. Believe me.. The only people who should be embarrassed are the ref and UEFA.
Literally no one has said that. Put down whatever you're smoking.
What? How is this UEFA's fault?
Pires' was a masterful dive, yes you're right. But if anyone on here wants to play the moral superiority game, then Youngs dive was pure as driven snow in comparison.
I know, the arm tug is so obvious. Then some plonkers went on about 'taking advantage of the situation to alert the ref'. feck me.
This just shows how insane football is getting. The defender touches his arm, Ashley Young takes two entire steps and falls over. It's a nonsensical incident.
I'm not even blaming the ref. What I'm more arsed about is that we're actually heading towards a game whereby any contact or perceived intent whatsoever is a foul.
Just to show you how crazy this is, here are two clips:
We're talking about an actual non-contact sport here, yet there is more in that highlights package that would be legal than in one corner reffed in view of the Young decision being acceptable.
Closer to home:
This was regarded as perhaps the most ridiculous dive of all time when Gilardino pulled it off. There is, however, contact on Gilardino's right foot if you watch carefully, and as a result this would now be seen as an acceptable thing to give a foul for.
Do you see the problem? Have we somehow evolved and became more attuned to the literality of the rulebook, or are we just getting swept away with the silly fixations of pundits with contact?
You went to all that trouble? It's a tug, it's a penalty. Well spotted by the referee.
Football is a contact sport, Basket ball isn't. To compare the two sports is wrong, there are different rules etc to begin with. Don't forget, some challenges for example hacking someone down from the back like in the "glory days" SHOULD be illegal, look what happened to Van Basten. However, it is not the sport or the rules that the problem. Its the referee's doing it because if I'm honest a lot of them have a terrible understanding of the game, and buckle under the huge amounts of pressure to give fouls and not to give fouls. Not to mention that the players will also affect them if you have 6 angry men throwin themselves in your face and a booing crowd.
I hate basketball more then I do Ashley Young.
It's not even a tug; the defender touches his arm with his hand. Either Ashley Young has flung his arm back disproportionately or that incident is very compelling evidence against some very fundamental laws of motion.
If we're going to be consistent and start deeming things like this to be foul play, then football is going to become a contact sport with less contact than a non contact sport.
It's not even about the glory days either. Look at Gilardino's dive there less than 10 years ago; you'd have been looked at as if you'd just shat on someone's child if you'd suggested that was a foul back then. Now we'd be saying "yeah whatever, it's a silly reaction, but enough about that....look at the contact!!".
No-one gave two shits about 'contact' before the likes of Jamie Redknapp started obsessing about it on Sky. How fecking concerning is that?
Brainwashed...by Jamie Redknapp.Basketball isn't a contact sport? Wow. Watch what goes on in the low-post with 2 forwards. Loads of body contact. In fact, if a defender is moving you can literally knock him over and it is a foul on the defender. You can also box-out a player with your shoulder when a rebound is in the air. You just aren't allowed to reach in while a player is shooting or dribbling.
Stick to talking footy because you are out of your depth.
Stick to talking footy because you are out of your depth.
Alright, I thought Basketball was a non-contact. Chill out Norma, it certainly feels like one.
There is a gif on the last page. It's as clear as day tug on his arm?
He touches him with his hand, and Ashley Young lashes his arm back. You massive Jamie Redknapp disciple.
Jesus Christ Ghaliboy you're one-eyed. He Touches his arm and Young falls over. That's a dive. Touching someone's arm doesn't make you fall over like that.
. Ashley's so brilliant he lashes his arm back, floats off the ground and uses his instinct to throw himself to the floor.What a player, hope he dives 293 times in the game against Arsenal and doesn't get booked.
He grabs his fecking arm below the elbow, it's as clear as day. I don't even know how you could argue otherwise. You can even see when his arm flicks off because he's got hold of him.
He's merely 'utilizing the opportunity to exaggerate it so that the ref see's that in fact it was a penalty.' ..................
.If you honestly believe this then you have never played football. You are clueless, or a WUM.
Did I argue the contact?
What a player, hope he dives 293 times in the game against Arsenal and doesn't get booked.
He grabs his fecking arm above the elbow, it's as clear as day. I don't even know how you could argue otherwise.
He's merely 'utilizing the opportunity to exaggerate it so that the ref see's that in fact it was a penalty.' ..................
Young falla over. There is no way the touching of the arm for that brief instant would cause anyone to fall over, ever. I think you're missing the point.
The funny thing about that GIF is that you can actually see him throw his hand out again, as if the tug was so vicious that even when he managed to wrestle his hand back, the original force was still pushing his arm the other way.
I'm actually struggling to think of something that would naturally make someone's arm do that. Maybe if you were to put your arm out the window of a car going at 200mp/h and then attempt to pull it back in you would see a similar sort of motion. That's how retarded and artificial a movement Young has pulled off there.
I'm actually struggling to think of something that would naturally make someone's arm do that. Maybe if you were to put your arm out the window of a car going at 200mp/h and then attempt to pull it back in you would see a similar sort of motion. That's how retarded and artificial a movement Young has pulled off there.
You'd have to go back through the thread and this weird sub dialogue that occurred over the clarification of 'diving and conning the ref are different' to get that one
.When it was announced we got Young after Kenny and Liverpool went for him and then they ended up with Downing from the same club I was over the moon. However it looks like we've had a similar crappy signing.
Meh, he's had his fair share of injury trouble.
edit: Oh wait, 100k/w! BURNS ME so bad!
At least he got more goals and assists than Downing had in his 2 seasons combined.
I can't stop watching that second movement of the arm. It's a hilarious level of depth to go into for an exaggeration. Players are gonna start perfecting near whiplash inducing movements with obstructions soon.
It's a hilarious level of depth to go into for an exaggeration. Players are gonna start perfecting near whiplash inducing movements with obstructions soon.I can't stop watching that second movement of the arm.
It's a slow motion replay. Chances are you're seeing it on another plane of existence..
. Snapping the head back is a Stevie G from of the starfish evolution.It's a slow motion replay. Chances are you're seeing it on another plane of existence..
Which makes the second, speedy 'lashing' action all the more obvious and artificial.
Another example I'm thinking of is if there had been a giant metal ball on a rope that Ashley Young had lobbed backwards as he was diving.
But in reality it's the complete opposite. As he doesn't have 70fps to think about what every little synapse is doing.
.But in reality it's the complete opposite. As he doesn't have 70fps to think about what every little synapse is doing.
It means he's instinctively cheating in an unusually complex way. That's sort of impressive, but mostly pathetic.
There is contact and that is enough for him to go down. Not saying it was a clearcut penalty, but the ref gave him the benefit of doubt.
Players do this all the time, why single him out.
Players do this all the time, why single him out.
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What a player, hope he dives 293 times in the game against Arsenal and doesn't get booked.
He grabs his fecking arm below the elbow, it's as clear as day. I don't even know how you could argue otherwise. You can even see when his arm flicks off because he's got hold of him.
Pure dive.
Deflowered simulation.
There is no way that the contact was enough for anyone to fall down. He didn't get tripped, his arm was touched.
Foul or not is besides the point here, I'm purely talking about the fact he has fallen over due to that minimal contact.
And let's be real the ref wouldn't have given a penalty had he not tumbled.
It was an exaggeration, I will give you that, but contact inside the area means what?
You tell me... I'm not arguing over the fact it was a penalty or not.
I'm talking about the fact he tumbled over the slight touch is all.
And it is a blatant dive. The touch may well be a foul that constitutes a penalty, but there is no way known it was enough for him to fall over like that. That is a dive. There really isn't an argument here.
I'm talking about the fact he tumbled over the slight touch is all.
And it is a blatant dive. The touch may well be a foul that constitutes a penalty, but there is no way known it was enough for him to fall over like that. That is a dive. There really isn't an argument here.