Smashley Young

Since the departure of Ronaldo in 2009, we have gone from a solid player in Valencia, to mediocrity of Orbetan and Bebe to pure pits of literally no talent dog poo of Young.

I would be surprised if a club even like Norwich went for him....i think we would have to pay a club to take him off our hands!
 
Hes a no trick, safety first, coward of a player.

Offers nothing to United.
 
Nani was absent for periods last season, so there wasn't so much competition. Young is a good player and he started well for us, but he's fallen from the tree and doesn't seem able to get back.
 
Nate Dogg said:
Since the departure of Ronaldo in 2009, we have gone from a solid player in Valencia, to mediocrity of Orbetan and Bebe to pure pits of literally no talent dog poo of Young.

I would be surprised if a club even like Norwich went for him....i think we would have to pay a club to take him off our hands!
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Ok I know Youngs poor, but Bebe brought a new meaning to the words 'bad footballer'
 
Lets not be silly. Obertan and Bebe are worse than Young. Young has a very good right foot, but he's a Villa player through and through. Bebe isn't even a Villa player. Literally. He doesn't have a villa.
 
Jesus christ... he's not the best player we've ever had, but he's nowhere near the worst. He's a million miles away from Bebe/Obertan...

If he somehow managed to turn it around to the player he was when he first came here (note: when he was motivated) then I he'd be a useful player to have... with Young, I seriously think it's a case of him not having the fire/motivation to produce good form, hopefully this very public scrutiny he's currently going through will give him the kick up the arse he needs.
 
He's a good player, but way over his head at United. Add to that total loss of confident...
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Jesus christ... he's not the best player we've ever had, but he's nowhere near the worst. He's a million miles away from Bebe/Obertan...

If he somehow managed to turn it around to the player he was when he first came here (note: when he was motivated) then I he'd be a useful player to have... with Young, I seriously think it's a case of him not having the fire/motivation to produce good form, hopefully this very public scrutiny he's currently going through will give him the kick up the arse he needs.
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Why do you think it's due to a lack of motivation? To be honest if that's the case then I'd want him gone even more. I think we're just seeing a player who is low on confidence after coming off the back of a season and a bit of injury problems and is finding it difficult to find some form.
 
mickeza said:
Why do you think it's due to a lack of motivation? To be honest if that's the case then I'd want him gone even more. I think we're just seeing a player who is low on confidence after coming off the back of a season and a bit of injury problems and is finding it difficult to find some form.
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Harks back to his days at Villa... where I swear he only ever used to really grab anyones attention when he had something to play for - like a move to a bigger club / an England call-up / or he was playing against a big club. He used to go through hot-spells for them which always tended to coincide with one of those sorts of things...that could of course be utter bollocks though.
 
Oldham said:
He's a good player, but way over his head at United. Add to that total loss of confident...
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Sensible view. I think the move was way too big for him. Similar to Milner I suppose because I thought he was excellent at one point too.

Personally rated Young myself before the move and thought he'd be useful, but he's proved to be out of his depth at United. I'd be shocked if he turned it around.
 
He's not bad, would be a good/key player for any midtable side.

As it stands though, we have better options and more promising talent to blood. I wouldn't just bench him but have him off matchday squads altogether. He can try fight his way back into contention or get a move, but there's no point using up an attacking spot on him.

Him and Buttner are the only players in our squad which I regard firmly as "backup that should only get a look in if there's an injury crisis".
 
He is by far the worst first team United players I have ever watched over the years. Merely seeing his name on the team sheet makes me want to vomit.
 
antohan said:
He's not bad, would be a good/key player for any midtable side.

As it stands though, we have better options and more promising talent to blood. I wouldn't just bench him but have him off matchday squads altogether. He can try fight his way back into contention or get a move, but there's no point using up an attacking spot on him.

Him and Buttner are the only players in our squad which I regard firmly as "backup that should only get a look in if there's an injury crisis".
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The thing I'm struggling to work out is...has he regressed? Is he complacent? Is he too safe? Is he too comfortable knowing others will do the business?

If it was possible to answer the question I'd be able to form a valid opinion. I really don't understand what has happened to him. In any situation he was always seen as backup by the fanbase, but he starts more often than not when he's actually fit, despite doing literally nothing for the last 18 months. He must say and do the right things behind closed doors, or these Scottish fellows are fans of skinny bald men.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
The thing I'm struggling to work out is...has he regressed? Is he complacent? Is he too safe? Is he too comfortable knowing others will do the business?

If it was possible to answer the question I'd be able to form a valid opinion. I really don't understand what has happened to him. In any situation he was always seen as backup by the fanbase, but he starts more often than not when he's actually fit, despite doing literally nothing for the last 18 months. He must say and do the right things behind closed doors, or these Scottish fellows are fans of skinny bald men.
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I think he has regressed in his attacking contribution, possibly as a result of being drilled into "defensive winging", the importance of keeping possession to avoid having to recover it, etc. Some players will acknowledge that but not lose their mojo, others will go into a shell, which I think has been the case here.

It's really fecking weird that our fullbacks are actually better at attacking than him and Valencia. Honestly, don't you almost cheer or feel relieved when Young plays on Evra or Valencia passes to Rafael? How is it even possible that you would rather a defender was on the ball in the final third instead of an attacking player?

I guess one issue may be that it has all gone so far that both Rafael and Evra look better with them two on the pitch and dutifully covering them. They have been reduced to wide pivots with a covering brief. You would only want that happening on one side tops, wouldn't you?

One thing that was crystal clear yesterday was Rooney, an unfit Nani and a rusty Kagawa had it in them to slice their way through a defence in a way you would never expect Valencia and Young to. Surely we want at least one of the wingers to have that in his locker?
 
He hasn't always been this shit. He has had a handful of handy dynamic performances during his time here but unfortunately, it seems like he has lost all his confidence now. It's time for him to go now.
 
Colin129 said:
Didn't someone say he was one of the 1st to meet Moyes?

He's an arse licker. Yes gaffer, no gaffer, 3 bags full gaffer, pick me gaffer.
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He just happened to be in the hallway as they were filming Moyes walking to his office on his first day, could happen to any player
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
Sensible view. I think the move was way too big for him. Similar to Milner I suppose because I thought he was excellent at one point too.

Personally rated Young myself before the move and thought he'd be useful, but he's proved to be out of his depth at United. I'd be shocked if he turned it around.
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Except he had a really impressive (albeit injury hit) first season. Whatever's happened to him, I doubt its down to the stature of the club. Maybe missing that penalty has destroyed his confidence?
 
Give him a chance for fecks sake, he's a good squad player to have. He's not up to the starting 11 level, but he's a good player to have around.
 
Slevs said:
Give him a chance for fecks sake, he's a good squad player to have. He's not up to the starting 11 level, but he's a good player to have around.
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True he is a good squad player and hopefully with other options such as nani now fit he'll go back to being a squad player. I've said before but I think the issue in the attack is looking worse evinces we're playing Valencia and welbeck as well, one who still isn't plying well and the other when playing well still isn't particularly creative.

Tbh though I think januzaj is more and more making the push to seriously be in contention to start a league game and see how he does. I don't think he'll disappoint and so could be that young becomes surplus to requirements unless he finds some real form. Especially if we're also considering getting zaha involved at some point. I thought it at the start of the season and I still think it now, there's too many players competing for those 2 spots in the team, from the senior players Valencia, nani, young, kagawa, welbeck, to the young guys who are too good for the reserves, januzaj and zaha
 
Chabon said:
Except he had a really impressive (albeit injury hit) first season. Whatever's happened to him, I doubt its down to the stature of the club. Maybe missing that penalty has destroyed his confidence?
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I personally think "really impressive" is kind. But happy to agree to disagree on that. The only good thing about that season was each winger had their own little spell of goodness but there was very little overlap. We've not had that at all since.
 
Moyes also defended Ashley Young, hauled off after 51 minutes of the derby, and said Wilfried Zaha – yet to figure this season – will get his chance.
“Ashley played against Crystal Palace and probably won us the game,” said Moyes. “He got us a penalty and was through with a chance to score another goal.
“He didn’t play particularly well against City, but you could probably have picked another half-a-dozen who didn’t.
“Wilf has not appeared. We’ve not felt we’ve had the opportunity. I want Wilf to get used to what happens here. The competition is hard.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-team-told-go-2312981#ixzz2g8ci05Qc
 
Young is in a massive slump right now, but to be fair he's had some good matches for us. However, I'd like to see all our other wingers (including Kagawa and Welbeck) start ahead of him.
 
I now have the burning inclination (is that a phrase?) to defend Ashley Young. He's not bad. As English right wingers go he's right up there with Darren Anderton. Or Steve Stone. And if you stand off him and give him loads of time he's got a fantastic right foot. We'll always have the 8-2 Arsenal game. However low his stock gets that game will still be replayed endlessly on Football Years. Or Premiership Years. I've no idea what the difference is. I think it's probably to do with camera angles. Anyway, he was glorious in that game.

It'll be like that one really good Ray Wilkins goal they always show when they want to try and pretend he's not incredibly biased for Chelsea during United - Chav games.



And see the lights surrounding you​
May you always be courageous ​
Stand upright and be strong​
May you stay forever young​
 
Slevs said:
Give him a chance for fecks sake, he's a good squad player to have. He's not up to the starting 11 level, but he's a good player to have around.
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I'm pretty sure everyone hating on him right now wouldn't mind him that much if he wasn't getting games ahead of Nani. It's hard to see what Moyes see in Young, when he's woefully out of form, and giving Nani playing time to get him back fit and on form would benefit us much more than watching Young disappear from games again.
 
I wish someone would just stop him one day, slap him on the face and point out to him how ineffective his inverted crosses and backwards runs are, basically to stop operating in reverse. They'd probably have to tell him in reverse for him to understand though, which is why nobody ever has. feck.
 
Slapping him would probably mean turning him backwards considering how lightweight he is, so that would probably be a bad idea.
 
So mediocre in every sense. We really should let him go soon. Will enable us to give the likes of zaha more games.
 
Disappointing performance. I think he put in two decent balls. He can do more.
 
He was poor again...why do we bother with him?

I'd rather we played with 10 men than have him in our team.
 
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