I said from the start that he was no more than a squad player.
He's barely even that now.
He's barely even that now.
Smashley Young
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Confidence player. He has obviously shown a lot of effort in training, which could justify Moyes' selection...
Because of my studies, I like to play devil's advocate and argue a lost cause, I don't even know where to start with Young. And it's not just yesterday's performance, it's just that he's a mediocre player who's treated as a first teamer. But I can't really lay all the blame at Moyes' door, SAF also didn't treat him as a squad player. I don't know what I'm missing, but I just hope he plays as little as possible and that Kagawa and Januzaj don't lose minutes to this waste of space (goat).
I wish someone would delete this thread. Even the sight of his name is making my blood boil at this stage.
A positive about Young: it's (kinda) cool to have a Marlo Stanfield lookalike in the team.
It's all I've got.
It's all I've got.
Its Insane......if we did that we'd get hammered.........................................................
Januzaj over Young every single time for me. Not even a debate.
Someone needs to keep hiding his boots before games.
He, yeah. We know how it turned out, that ain't the point. It's just not realistic to expect that a manager, some weeks into his first season in charge of one the biggest clubs in football, is going to field players like that away against a title rival. It doesn't mean he is devoid of imagination or unwilling to gamble at all, just that he isn't a complete wild man.
I know, Im just being awkward
Im just so fecking angry at getting mullered by Stockport twice in three seasons.I prefer to look at things as they are now Brwned, and Young was diabolical yesterday. Yes he played well in the corresponding fixture last year but his contribution wasn't on the level that Nasri provided yesterday. He's consistently let himself down since then, both in performance and even more worryingly...attitude.
I know, Im just being awkward
Yeah, I know. It's been a rough day. Staying well clear of wankers who are just dying to take a cheap shot. I work with zero United fans, about a dozen scousers, a trio of City "fans" and some halfwits who might be characterized as ABU. I need a drink or two now, methinks.
I cannot fathom how Young plays over Kagawa and Nani. I simply cannot understand it.
I'm guessing this is a pisstake as Young's only scored one goal, the other was a deflected shot that was missing. Quite a few poor passes as well. All Nani's stuff is, predictably, brilliant.
For the love of God play Nani!
For the love of God play Nani!
Sounds like a plan. One of my clients is a scouser, he spent 10 minutes winding me up before telling me what he wanted....something that would have taken my 5 minutes to do with a query in his database, after his shit I told him it couldn't be done and left him with two hours of manual data entry..............Im such a cnut :LOL: fecking scousers.
Lets just wait and see if that is still the case once Nani and Kagawa are fit and firing. Reading into Moyes' quotes from yesterday about wanting to get a look at all the players, I get the feeling he might have made up his mind on one or two after yesterday.
It's clear as day, man. Either Moyes is a backwards thinking mediocrity. Or a lunatic. Or he is actually being truthful when he claims those players aren't up to scratch fitness wise.
Surely if they are fit enough for the bench, they are fit enough to play? Otherwise what's the point in having them on the bench?
I dunno. Personally I'd prefer an unfit Nani or Kagawa over Young.
I'm a big fan of Nani, but you and I both know that Nani isn't always brilliant, as you're making out. I'm hoping he can kick on now, but I do worry that people are putting both him and Kagawa on a pedestal a bit at the moment.
To give them 20 minutes at the end? I know it didn't happen, but I'm sure that is because they will play the full 90 on Wednesday instead.
They will only get fit with game time though, something he neglected to give both of them yesterday. Come Wednesday, Nani won't have played any minutes since he played for Portugal two weeks before, he could have got minutes against both Palace and City, Moyes decided not to play him in either game.
I've drawn an incredibly simple diagram to demonstrate Young's effectiveness on the pitch. The beauty of it is its relevant no matter the match situation. It applies every time Young has the ball.
1) Run up field with ball. Either lose it, or approach defender and:
2) Turn around and run backwards. Either pass to Evra, or:
3) Cross ball to far post. Commentator mentions "vintage Young". Team jogs back.
Rinse and repeat for the rest of the game. I think he must spend every minute in training practicing this. This is literally all he does.
1) Run up field with ball. Either lose it, or approach defender and:
2) Turn around and run backwards. Either pass to Evra, or:
3) Cross ball to far post. Commentator mentions "vintage Young". Team jogs back.
Rinse and repeat for the rest of the game. I think he must spend every minute in training practicing this. This is literally all he does.
He might play the next three games. Other players were fitter and in not too bad form, hence they started against City. Players like Januzaj were fresh and ready for a chance, so they got on the bench ahead of Nani against Crystal Palace, just like Nani has done in a few of the other games.
Young is never even close to brilliant, also see the above diagram. Nani doesn't do that.
Nani doesn't have to be 'always brilliant' anyway. You can't honestly say that Kagawa & Nani wouldn't be a huge step up from Young, can you?
Yes, that's fair enough. But that's his methods, ain't it? It's not his conviction. What some people seem to fear is that Moyes doesn't want to play Nani or Kagawa because he doesn't rate them very highly - and that he actually prefers Ashley Young, even an off-form Young, to these players. There is no proof of this, however. The moment that changes I will be the first to question Moyes' judgment.
This place is gonna explode when he signs an extension.
Asking for wing play tips from Ashley Young is like asking for dating advice from your dad. Awkward and just not very productive.Young was in not too bad form? When did that happen? A 6/10 performance at home to the worst side in the league qualifies as being in not too bad form does it? He was atrocious against Liverpool. You've said in another thread that people continually bashing Moyes over everything is tedious, well your defence of Moyes' squad rotation policy thus far is just as tedious, he couldn't play Nani for 30 minutes on Sunday because he wouldn't be able to last 90 minutes on Wednesday? Come on!
Kagawa has been available to play all season, it is now almost October, how is he still not match fit? Why wasn't he given game time against Swansea when the game was finished? Why wasn't he given game time against Chelsea when we couldn't break them down? Why wasn't he given game time at City when the game was finished? Nani has been injury free for a month, why is he still not match fit? Why has the fitness of Ashley Young been prioritised over two superior players? Here's an interesting little stat (possibly not true as I'm going from memory...), Shinji Kagawa has started more games over the past 6 weeks than Ashley Young has, because unlike Young, Shinji can get into his national side. I don't think Young is playing over Kagawa because of fitness reasons, I think it's to do with Moyes preferring him as a player, but even if we're positive and take the fitness reason as fact, Moyes refusing to give Kagawa game time is the reason he's not fit enough anyway.
And Zaha shouldn't be making the bench ahead of Nani, after witnessing Young against Liverpool, getting Nani fit for the City game should have been a priority. He couldn't play against Leverkusen (Zaha could) so the Palace game was the only game before then in which he could have got some much needed minutes. He didn't play, meaning he hadn't played for 10 days by the time the City game came around, thus he was in no position to start. It seems that he was in no position to come off the bench either, to give him minutes, to become match fit, which is the reason he isn't starting, apparently.
There's a lot of invalid criticisms being aimed at Moyes, people are going overboard which tends to happen when you lose back to back away games to Liverpool and Manchester City, but how he has managed the squad isn't one of them. Nani and Kagawa are just a couple of examples, I haven't even mentioned Hernandez or Evans.
I just love the way he describes the complete opposite of what he does on the pitch, as his advice. Basically do everything that I don't
The useless feck.
I've heard this too many times, and I'm not sure I agree. Young and Valencia are for some reason, the safe options, as they were for Fergie. Neither of them had extensive pre-seasons. Valencia played less than 90 mins if I recall correct, and it was almost as if he was being rushed back due to him being so fecking outstanding. Young also missed quite a bit of football.
None of our wide men had played much in pre-season. Young and Valencia are probably now the sharpest two obviously because we have been investing all of our minutes on them. The emphasis should have been on getting Nani sharp, as opposed to getting Young back to his best. I didn't see Rooney being benched repeatedly due to missing pre-season. It's clear that the manager just overvalues the contribution of two mediocre players, probably because they are apparently good defensively.
I really think Moyes is as culpable for selecting Young. His stewardship of United thus far has been marked by an enduring belief in a 4-man midfield and a reluctance to take risks...both of which somehow brings Young into play.
I'm gonna love watching Paddy Crerand on MUTV this week defending Moyes and Young, because those two will inevitably be discussed (if MUTV lets "dissenters" through).
I'm gonna love watching Paddy Crerand on MUTV this week defending Moyes and Young, because those two will inevitably be discussed (if MUTV lets "dissenters" through).
What I'm slightly annoyed with is that we seem unable to cut back on our losses and get rid of players who are clearly not good enough. Clubs like Barca and Madrid don't have a problem with getting rid of the deadwood, if a player isn't up for it he'll be shown the door quickly. At United we tend to keep players like Young or Anderson far too long and they hinder our development, occupying valuable spots in the squad that could otherwise go to youngsters or new players.
I'd much rather we developed Januzaj from now on instead of giving Young a chance. It's not going to happen and he'll remain a regular but I don't feel comfortable with it in the slightest.
I'd much rather we developed Januzaj from now on instead of giving Young a chance. It's not going to happen and he'll remain a regular but I don't feel comfortable with it in the slightest.
This thread impresses me; I was not aware that one could express how shit a player is in so many ways with such rich vocabulary. It really is quite creative.
He was terrible and has been underwhelming for United overall. At a low asking price and low wages, I'd say he's a good squad player. The thing is, this season his defending has been atrocious as well as his attacking play being dismal. Does he offer anything that Nani doesn't these days? Also, you might even argue that Januzaj or even Lingard would play no worse than Young at this stage. He will probably make the world cup though - I think the name Ashley is a certainty for making the starting XI for England.
He was terrible and has been underwhelming for United overall. At a low asking price and low wages, I'd say he's a good squad player. The thing is, this season his defending has been atrocious as well as his attacking play being dismal. Does he offer anything that Nani doesn't these days? Also, you might even argue that Januzaj or even Lingard would play no worse than Young at this stage. He will probably make the world cup though - I think the name Ashley is a certainty for making the starting XI for England.
I would rather we blood a youngster than consistently play Ashley Young. Zaha, for all his rawness, easily offers ten times more than Ashley Young.
That's probably an exaggeration, but fact remains that thus far, Young has continued being underwhelming whereas Januzaj, for instance, has shown real promise. I think first of all Nani should get plenty of game time.
Is Young actually worse than Downing now?
I wouldnt go that far.
I still think Fergie signed Young as a way to make amends and say sorry to Randy Lerner when he wrote a letter of recommendation for Mcleish who simply was awful. Fergie has a soft spot for Scottish managers.
I really can't think of any reason why we signed Young and why we keep playing him now. If he gets a contract extension then it shows just how badly the football side of the club is being run.
I really can't think of any reason why we signed Young and why we keep playing him now. If he gets a contract extension then it shows just how badly the football side of the club is being run.