Smashley Young

MoneyMay said:
Ciderman, let's see if Young gets 30+ assists, as you said, this season. :lol:
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Goals + Assists, but yeah let's see.

He got his first yesterday. 29 to go.

You and many others are severely underestimating him, just as so many of you severely underestimate Fellaini. You'll see that you were wrong and we'll discuss that whilst you backtrack and make excuses for your ignorance.
 
Has he ever got 30 goals + assists in a season before in his career? He has Welbeck, Nani, Januzaj and Kagawa competing against him, this combined with his injury record makes me think he'll do well just to make 30 appearances.
 
mickeza said:
Has he ever got 30 goals + assists in a season before in his career? He has Welbeck, Nani, Januzaj and Kagawa competing against him, this combined with his injury record makes me think he'll do well just to make 30 appearances.
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The proviso was that he stay fit.
 
mickeza said:
He only made 33 appearances in his debut season, with Welbeck mainly playing up front, Kagawa at Dortmund and Januzaj in Belgium. Park was at the club though, but from memory he didn't feature much. Even if he stays fit 30 appearances would be a good return for him.
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Aye.

He'll prove his doubters wrong, you'll see.
 
The yellow card dive looked bad, and the most annoying thing about it was that it probably was and would have been a penalty if he didn't do what he did. The defender left young with nowhere to put his left leg so he would have tripped him if he had just continued without the big exaggerated fall and kick out.
 
I actually can't believe you lot thought he played well yesterday.

I've rarely seen a player afforded so much room in dangerous area of the pitch and do so little with it. I don't understand how much more obviously poor someone can play and it not be noticed?

I even think teams have noticed how wasteful and tame he is when given the ball in space and deliberately get tighter in other areas of the pitch rather than worry about him.

People seem to be judging him on how often he got fed the ball in decent positions rather than what he actually did with it, which is just bizarre. Everyone I've spoken to away from here thought he was awful. My mate's dad kept asking me why he plays for us when he so obviously not good enough. I was getting incredibly fed up with explaining to him that I have no fecking idea.

I mean, I don't ind him being a United player, but there's no way he should be first choice when we have so many better attacking players. It's just self handicapping
 
IrishLegend said:
Compared to our other winger Valencia who did.....what?

I thought Young did well, got into some decent positions, should probably have scored on that run through the middle. I don't think you can use the fact Januzaj looked so good to say Young was crap.
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Valencia wasn't completely unmarked for the entire game and given the ball in acres of space time and time again. The reason for this is because teams know they can't afford to give him that kind of room. You could argue Young therefore has better movement, but actually most times he picked up the ball in the first half he was standing still and Palace simply weren't bothering to pick him up, where as United's other three forward players were beng allowed no room to breathe. Funny that...almost as if Palace had done their homework.

Of course you can use the fact Janujaz came on to say Young was crap. He came on, went into Young's position, and within 10 minutes Palace had to put an extra man on the left because of how much less crap than Young Janujaz was...and he still carried on being miles better than Young even when he was given more attention. It was pretty damning to be honest. An 18 year old came on and showed him up completely.
 
Ciderman90210 said:
Goals + Assists, but yeah let's see.

He got his first yesterday. 29 to go.

You and many others are severely underestimating him, just as so many of you severely underestimate Fellaini. You'll see that you were wrong and we'll discuss that whilst you backtrack and make excuses for your ignorance.
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Let's take a look at his stats:

07/08: 23 goals + assists
08/09: 14 goals + assists
09/10: 12 goals + assists
10/11: 17 goals + assists
11/12: 13 goals + assists
12/13: 3 goals + assists

If Young gets 30 goals + assists, then I'll be more than happy to admit that I am wrong, but at the same time, stats aren't indicative of said players' quality... And the irony in all this - while you said we're "underestimating" Young - is that you think he'll get 30 goals + assists, when there's no proof that he's capable of that in a Manchester United shirt. Matter of fact is, Young had so much space down the left yesterday, yet he managed to obtain an assist in an unorthodox manner. What I've noticed is that his footballing IQ isn't that good, his decision making yesterday was awful. It was a good performance yesterday, but I can't wait until Nani is awarded a run in the side.
 
noodlehair said:
I actually can't believe you lot thought he played well yesterday.

I've rarely seen a player afforded so much room in dangerous area of the pitch and do so little with it. I don't understand how much more obviously poor someone can play and it not be noticed?

I even think teams have noticed how wasteful and tame he is when given the ball in space and deliberately get tighter in other areas of the pitch rather than worry about him.
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Really?

I thought his interplay with Evra was very good. Did get himself into good positions with intelligent runs, though his end product could have been better. He was always hovering there as a threat. Not rating him overall, but on the pitch yesterday he was one of the better players, dive apart.
 
What did he do other than win a penalty (that wasn't actually a penalty) that was of any use?

Have you ever seen a United player given THAT much room in a game and do so little with it? I'm struggling to think of an example.
 
noodlehair said:
What did he do other than win a penalty (that wasn't actually a penalty) that was of any use?

Have you ever seen a United player given THAT much room in a game and do so little with it? I'm struggling to think of an example.
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He was great yesterday Noodle. Put loads of decent crosses into the box, had good interplay with Evra and managed to beat a defender or two a few times.
 
MoneyMay said:
Let's take a look at his stats:

07/08: 23 goals + assists
08/09: 14 goals + assists
09/10: 12 goals + assists
10/11: 17 goals + assists
11/12: 13 goals + assists
12/13: 3 goals + assists
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Let's take a look at his real stats:

07/08: 24 goals + assists
08/09: 20 goals + assists
09/10: 26 goals + assists
10/11: 22 goals + assists
11/12: 20 goals + assists
12/13: 05 goals + assists
 
Young is coming back from an injury and is slowly improving. I thought he had a decent game yesterday. Moyes will cut out his diving. He will be a useful player for us. Lots of games coming thick and fast. Moyes will use all of the players. Young will play an important part.
 
Red Dreams said:
Young is coming back from an injury and is slowly improving. I thought he had a decent game yesterday. Moyes will cut out his diving. He will be a useful player for us. Lots of games coming thick and fast. Moyes will use all of the players. Young will play an important part.
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Completely agree.
 
Ciderman90210 said:
Let's take a look at his real stats:

07/08: 24 goals + assists
08/09: 20 goals + assists
09/10: 26 goals + assists
10/11: 22 goals + assists
11/12: 20 goals + assists
12/13: 05 goals + assists
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Wrong. Look at the OFFICIAL Premier League stats... Nice try though.
 
He would probably get 20+ goals and assists this season if he were picked regularly, but with so much competition a couple of our attacking players are going to miss out and Young could well be one of those.
 
MoneyMay said:
Because that's what I was referencing a month or so ago in our debate. But ok, let's see if he gets 30 goals + assists in all competitions.
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What you referenced isn't relevant.

Ciderman90210 said:
If Young can make a decent recovery from his ankle issues then he'll be good for a ~30 G+A season with United. If he cannot recover then perhaps we'd be best moving him on and giving another player his position. We'll see how he gets on under Moyes.
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If Ashley Young can regain and retain fitness then he can be our most productive winger. He is good enough and you'll see that for yourself sooner or later.
 
Ciderman90210 said:
What you referenced isn't relevant.



If Ashley Young can regain and retain fitness then he can be our most productive winger. He is good enough and you'll see that for yourself sooner or later.
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It is relevant because it tells you why I decided to pick out Premier League stats. If Young can work on his crosses and intelligence in the box, then I don't see why he can't be at least a 20+ goals + assists for Manchester United. But he needs to improve. Once he offers the level you think he's capable of, then I'll fully admit that I'm wrong, but based on the past two seasons, he's shown that he isn't a first team player at all...
 
Lionel Messi wouldn't get into our first team when injured either, so what Young has shown over the past two seasons isn't really representative of anything but your own ignorance.
 
Orton said:
That dive yesterday was inexcusable. An absolute embarrassment.
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It looks like he's worked on them, the previous ones were him throwing himself without much or no contact. Yesterday's showed an improvement in his craft, he generated a convincing contact but it was still too obvious of a dive.
 
Ciderman90210 said:
Lionel Messi wouldn't get into our first team when injured either, so what Young has shown over the past two seasons isn't really representative of anything but your own ignorance.
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What a pathetic example. Young started 17 games in the league for us last season and managed to conjure up an impressive 0 goals and 3 assists. Nani started 7 games: he scored 1 goal and created 2 assists. The irony of your use of the word ignorance is amusing.
 
MoneyMay said:
What a pathetic example. Young started 17 games in the league for us last season and managed to conjure up an impressive 0 goals and 3 assists. Nani started 7 games: he scored 1 goal and created 2 assists. The irony of your use of the word ignorance is amusing.
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He was clearly unfit.
 
Everything cider posts is based on fitness, it's quite clever really, because when Young inevitably doesn't reach 30 g/a, he'll just use that as an excuse.
 
Cina said:
Everything cider posts is based on fitness, it's quite clever really, because when Young inevitably doesn't reach 30 g/a, he'll just use that as an excuse.
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Exactly. Take a look at Xavi. He's been playing with an injury for the past couple of seasons, yet he still puts in very good numbers. It's a nonsensical - and a straw man - argument.
 
30 goals and assists seems pretty unlikely to me. At villa he was probably one of the first on the team sheet and more importantly took the majority of pens and freekicks towards the end. For us there's a lot of competition if everyone stays fit and he's unlikely to get a significant anount of set pieces.
 
I think this is just Cider's attempt at the most tedious WUM in caf history, because surely no-one can watch Ashley Young play for us and think he's capable of 30 goals/assists.
 
Brwned said:
I think this is just Cider's attempt at the most tedious WUM in caf history, because surely no-one can watch Ashley Young play for us and think he's capable of 30 goals/assists.
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You'd think though that surely nobody could look at Ashley Young's time with United and fail to see a player having struggled with a series of ankle and knee injuries which have seriously impacted his performance; yet 90% of you still seem to manage it.

Cina said:
Everything cider posts is based on fitness.
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Aye, because more or less everybody else routinely ignores the player's obvious issues with fitness since joining the club. Somebody has to talk sense, so it might as well be me.
 
I understand receiving stick for diving. But he was literally one of our best players. Carrick, the caf's new loverboy was average again, Anderson was shit, RVP who seems above any kind of criticism on here was average again, Valencia average yet again and people say Young is shit and not a good player.

He shouldn't be first choice, but I like him as an option because he is productive and a good team player.
 
He's decent. Nothing more.

And he won't reach cider's mark of 30 goals plus assists.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
I understand receiving stick for diving. But he was literally one of our best players. Carrick, the caf's new loverboy was average again, Anderson was shit, RVP who seems above any kind of criticism on here was average again, Valencia average yet again and people say Young is shit and not a good player.

He shouldn't be first choice, but I like him as an option because he is productive and a good team player.
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RVP was average because between them Young and Valencia probably put in one good ball despite being up against one of the weakest teams out there in the league. Carrick was better than Young, gave away a few poor passes but did some nice ones as well and very good defensively. Evra probably did as much in attack as Young did. Personally I would hope our wingers could do a lot more then that. Wasn't a bad performance by any means but for me was decent with some good flashes but nothing more then that.
 
He was good enough in his first season, when he was scoring goals and making them. After he got injured he was poor. If hes not at that level anymore, then yes he isnt good enough for us
 
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