Smashley Young

Ash_G said:
But not in recent times, well not that I can remember. Same with Valencia. Both have been capable of great performances but neither did it last season and so far don't think either have been particularly good this season either.
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But he's been in poor form generally, so we cant really read much into that. His most memorable performances for me have come against Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham, the more difficult games where his work rate and discipline is actually needed.
 
Ash_G said:
But not in recent times, well not that I can remember. Same with Valencia. Both have been capable of great performances but neither did it last season and so far don't think either have been particularly good this season either.
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Young was very good away to City last season.
 
Terrible dive as well. I know most teams have at least one player who goes down easily but Young has developed a serious reputation for it at this stage, not good.
 
Fergus' son said:
But he's been in poor form generally, so we cant really read much into that. His most memorable performances for me have come against Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham, the more difficult games where his work rate and discipline is actually needed.
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acnumber9 said:
Young was very good away to City last season.
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Thats fair enough, I don't doubt Young has played very well for us before, personally can't quite remember those performances but I agree that he's played well at times during his time here, I'm not disputing that. Valencia has been a superb player for us against strong teams and has still done an excellent defensive job during his lull.

My point was that I thought today we were playing a very weak team and we should be expecting a lot from our wingers who had a lot of freedom. Young was better than Valencia but for me was still no more than decent with some good flashes. Now though he needs to show that against a better team. Again not to say he hasn't played well against a good team before clearly he has, as has Valencia. But for the vast majority of last season and this season so far both have been underwhelming when they've played and simply not shown enough willingness to make something happen. agai
 
Young is useless. Januzaj already looks more potent than Young down the left, and a better player. I can't believe any United fans actually rate Young - clearly Moyes does.
 
I have to say I gave Young all the credit possible at one point but the diving and the general wastefulness of his game has made me question myself and what I see in a footballer.

Think Villa was his level where he wasn't comfortable with so many better players around him.

The diving though, it's painful at times. He might have actually been legitimately hit without moving his own leg which makes it worse.
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
I have to say I gave Young all the credit possible at one point but the diving and the general wastefulness of his game has made me question myself and what I see in a footballer.

Think Villa was his level where he wasn't comfortable with so many better players around him.

The diving though, it's painful at times. He might have actually been legitimately hit without moving his own leg which makes it worse.
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Diving is obviously not a "good" thing but it cracks me up when someone so fundamentally crap as Young does it. When players like Drogba did it, you knew he was a fecking good player but just a diving bastard, but Young is just...a diver. Nothing else to commend him for.
 
He's been a disappointment since joining United. Actually looked a useful squad to have when he played at Villa, and for England.

Nani, Kagawa, Adnan, and Zaha are the future on the left.
 
His best asset is being able to turn inside from the left and unleashing unstoppable shots. He does not do that half enough.
 
Had a decent game today, he's not a bad passer of the ball.
 
David Moyes to talk to Ashley Young after dive against Crystal Palace
David Moyes promised to reprimand Ashley Young after admitting that his player had tried to con the referee to give Manchester United a penalty in an incident that will further damage the reputation of one of football's serial divers.
Young was shown a yellow card during the first half of United's 2-0 home win against Crystal Palace, featuring goals from Robin van Persie and Wayne Rooney, who wore a specially designed headband to protect the gashed forehead that kept him out of England's World Cup qualifier in Ukraine.
Television replays clearly showed Young jutting out his leg to make sure there was contact with the Palace midfielder Kagisho Dikgacoi before throwing himself to the ground. The England international has already been lectured, at least once before, by Sir Alex Ferguson because of his repeat offending and Moyes said he would make it clear he did not want to see him do it again.
"I've always said I don't like diving," the United manager said. "I think Ash has put his leg into the lad's leg. The boy definitely puts his leg out and, rightly so, he deserved to get booked. I don't want my players diving. I don't want anybody doing it. I'll definitely say to Ash it's not what I want."
Young was also involved in the game's other controversy after another challenge from Dikgacoi led to the penalty from which Van Persie opened the scoring, with the Palace player sent off in the process.
Ian Holloway, the Crystal Palace manager, is already serving a two-match touchline ban for criticising referees and was reluctant to talk himself intro trouble again. "Emotionally I'm in the right place now. I'd like to keep my money in the bank."
Asked about Young's dive, he said: "I don't like to talk about other people's players. But if you want to come with me to the pub later I will tell you what I really think."
The first contact for Dikgacoi's red-card was outside the penalty area and Moyes sympathised with Palace. "When I first saw it I thought it was just outside the box but in real time it was a very difficult decision."
The United manager added: "I don't like the rule that every time someone is the last man they are sent off. If I was Ollie I'd be disappointed. Unfortunately, they are the rules and he was the last man."
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Moyes is doing the right thing there but I have a feeling it may fall on deaf years though. If he cut that side out of his game he might not get half as much criticism from some fans when it comes to other things, putting that dive aside today I thought he had a very good game.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Wonder if twig will still stick to his original take on this one.
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I stand by if that's a yellow card we'd be getting yellow cards every week. He initiated contact and went down easily. I have no problem with that at all.

You're one to talk about standing by your posts. You let yourself down massively again today in the Matchday thread.
 
Mixed bag today, made a couple of good runs, one of which led to the pen, and linked up well with Evra a couple of times, but he was also wasteful and put a number of crosses in that seemed like he was on autopilot as he didn't even look to see if there was anyone too actually cross to.
 
It's encouraging in a way that he wasn't as completely abysmal as he was for large parts of last season. But the fact that young Januzaj looked just as good as Young did at his best in this game says a lot.
 
Twigginater said:
I stand by if that's a yellow card we'd be getting yellow cards every week. He initiated contact and went down easily. I have no problem with that at all.

You're one to talk about standing by your posts. You let yourself down massively again today in the Matchday thread.
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No we wouldn't. It was as blatant a dive as you get. He manufactured contact. You should admit it when you get things wrong which you clearly are.

Eh? What are you on about with the last bit ?
 
amolbhatia100 said:
He isn't. But he did well in the second half today. Good response to a poor first half.
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Pete, surprisingly enough, was pretty spot on with Young tbh. He's one of those players that will put in a great performance, and have us all thinking that's the 'real' player, and he has that quality, then we wont see that player for another 10 matches, leaving us all scratching our heads. He really does flatter to deceive.

If he's happy to be a squad player then fine, but he shouldnt be anywhere near a first XI player.
 
If he can get a couple of his right footed crosses from the left wing to become more accurate then I think he could set up a shitload more goals. Sadly, they always seem to be too high or not accurate enough. That's only his best attribute because he sure as shit isn't beating a fullback with pace anymore.

Had a good move when he cut infield and ando played him through. A shame he shot it right at the keeper though.
 
Sam said:
Pete, surprisingly enough, was pretty spot on with Young tbh. He's one of those players that will put in a great performance, and have us all thinking that's the 'real' player, and he has that quality, then we wont see that player for another 10 matches, leaving us all scratching our heads. He really does flatter to deceive.

If he's happy to be a squad player then fine, but he shouldnt be anywhere near a first XI player.
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Young is what I'd call a useful player. He can when in form be a handful, he can be useless at other times.

I was pleasantly surprised by how he turned around his performance today.
 
Twigginater said:
I stand by if that's a yellow card we'd be getting yellow cards every week. He initiated contact and went down easily. I have no problem with that at all.
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So most of our players initiate contact in the box and dive week in week out? Yes course they do and there are all those various examples to back-up your statement. Stop dressing it up....it was a fecking pathetic dive that ruined what was a decent effort from him today. He was trying to be a clever dick and ended up looking stupid, pretty much like you are now.

I think you are in a pretty small minority of those who basically condone diving.
 
acnumber9 said:
When he can't even get credit after a good performance there is little point in engaging with people in this thread.
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They even compared his performance to Janujaz. Young vs 11 players for most of the time he was on being compared to Janujaz vs 10 tiring Palace players who had given up trying to win the game. Sometimes, you just know most of the posters here have a special agenda against some certain players. I won't be surprised if some posters here blame Young for the chemical bomb attack in Syria.
 
Hannibal said:
They even compared his performance to Janujaz. Young vs 11 players for most of the time he was on being compared to Janujaz vs 10 tiring Palace players who had given up trying to win the game. Sometimes, you just know most of the posters here have a special agenda against some certain players. I won't be surprised if some posters here blame Young for the chemical bomb attack in Syria.
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There does seem to be a lot of negative feelings about Young on here. In my opinion, he's not a bad player at all, comparable with, sat, Damian Duff from a few years ago. His habit of dropping to the ground when someone breaths near him is annoying, but overall, a good player.
 
Comsmit said:
So most of our players initiate contact in the box and dive week in week out? Yes course they do and there are all those various examples to back-up your statement. Stop dressing it up....it was a fecking pathetic dive that ruined what was a decent effort from him today. He was trying to be a clever dick and ended up looking stupid, pretty much like you are now.

I think you are in a pretty small minority of those who basically condone diving.
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Don't bother. He just takes a pro united stance regarding everything without using personal judgment.

Even our manager acknowledges it's a clear dive ffs. And he's the last person who would want to do that apart from the player himself.
 
Hannibal said:
They even compared his performance to Janujaz. Young vs 11 players for most of the time he was on being compared to Janujaz vs 10 tiring Palace players who had given up trying to win the game. Sometimes, you just know most of the posters here have a special agenda against some certain players. I won't be surprised if some posters here blame Young for the chemical bomb attack in Syria.
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Or perhaps a lot of posters recognise that he has never remotely shown to be worth an £18 million fee and a fat contract. His performance today was decent, but the fact is most are desperately trying to look for positives with Young, because there have been relatively few since he signed.
 
Moriarty said:
There does seem to be a lot of negative feelings about Young on here. In my opinion, he's not a bad player at all, comparable with, sat, Damian Duff from a few years ago. His habit of dropping to the ground when someone breaths near him is annoying, but overall, a good player.
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I like Ashley Young - it's saddening when United fans say he's not a 1st team materiel when we have a clueless winger like Valencia in the first team. Young is a smallish player, that's his own way of protecting himself. When Ronaldo dived here, no one dared criticise him. Why are people acting like diving isn't part of the game? Has Rooney not dived to gain an advantage for his team? Who hasn't dived in the game of football? Messi? Neymar? Bale? Gerrard? He got us a chance to score from 12 yards and effectively reduced Palace to 10 men and made the game easier for the team. How does that equate to the harsh criticism he's getting on this thread? Did we even look like scoring before the penalty incident?
 
Hannibal said:
I like Ashley Young - it's saddening when United fans say he's not a 1st team materiel when we have a clueless winger like Valencia in the first team. Young is a smallish player, that's his own way of protecting himself. When Ronaldo dived here, no one dared criticise him. Why are people acting like diving isn't part of the game? Has Rooney not dived to gain an advantage for his team? Who hasn't dived in the game of football? Messi? Neymar? Bale? Gerrard? He got us a chance to score from 12 yards and effectively reduced Palace to 10 men and made the game easier for the team. How does that equate to the harsh criticism he's getting on this thread? Did we even look like scoring before the penalty incident?
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He's NOT first team material and the sooner Moyes thinks so, the better. His diving is secondary to the fact that he simply is NOT a very good player. It doesn't matter whether he plays for United or not.

I don't think there is an agenda against him in redcafe. Why should there be? He's shit. Simples.
 
Hannibal said:
I like Ashley Young - it's saddening when United fans say he's not a 1st team materiel when we have a clueless winger like Valencia in the first team. Young is a smallish player, that's his own way of protecting himself. When Ronaldo dived here, no one dared criticise him. Why are people acting like diving isn't part of the game? Has Rooney not dived to gain an advantage for his team? Who hasn't dived in the game of football? Messi? Neymar? Bale? Gerrard? He got us a chance to score from 12 yards and effectively reduced Palace to 10 men and made the game easier for the team. How does that equate to the harsh criticism he's getting on this thread? Did we even look like scoring before the penalty incident?
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Please. Just.....don't.
 
Comsmit said:
Or perhaps a lot of posters recognise that he has never remotely shown that he wato be worth an £18 million fee and a fat contract. His performance today was decent, but the fact is most are desperately trying to look for positives with Young, because there have been relatively few since he signed.
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He played a blinder against City @ the Etihad last season. He scored a valid goal that was disallowed by a blind referee, he assisted Rooney's first goal with a penetrative run that distabilised City. At Stamford Bridge, his intelligent run got Ivanovic sent off when we were under Chelsea's cosh after Ramirez's equaliser. How's he not worth £18m? Compare him to Caroll(£35m), Downing(£20m) and you would realise he's good value.
 
Premier League All-Time Assists

131 - Giggs
94 - Lampard
85 - Gerrard
81 - Rooney
56 - Van Persie
53 - Ashley Young
49 - Nani
48 - Downing
48 - Duff
45 - Scholes
44 - Lennon
44 - Beckham
38 - Valencia
34 - Bellamy
 
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