Smashley Young

No more diving please Ashley otherwise pleased with his performance because he was a little unpredictable. I don't understand why he and Valencia don't try to mix things up in order to confuse opponents. It could only help both of them
 
Looked up for it but still a question of whether its good enough. Think Nani and Adnan could perform better
 
Anyone who thinks Young played well in that game needs to watch it back and look at the absolutely feckng obvious difference when Janujaz, an 18 year old who'd never played in a competitive first team game, came on, and was given the same space Young had been given all game.

Seriously.
 
I can't wait until Nani starts. I don't dislike Young. My opinion is based on his footballing ability, which isn't that special at all. With so much space ahead of him, he didn't do much to exploit the generous offerings from Crystal Palace. He was much, much better in the second half, but I remember the Galatasaray game last year, with Nani on the left, and just how more effective Nani is than Young. He should have more confidence to take his man on and put in a ball, instead of cutting back onto his right.
 
noodlehair said:
Anyone who thinks Young played well in that game needs to watch it back and look at the absolutely feckng obvious difference when Janujaz, an 18 year old who'd never played in a competitive first team game, came on, and was given the same space Young had been given all game.

Seriously.
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I agree.

Had the ball a lot in the first half and did feck all.
 
Raees said:
Just compare his performance to Janzuaj and you know there is something up in terms of quality. Kagawa v Janzuaj on the left wing and Nani v Zaha on the right, I'd be more than happy with that.
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Yep. Young played well, but Januzaj offers so much more.
 
Decent squad player, nothing more. Would be behind both Nani and Welbeck in the left-wing pecking order if I had my way.
 
noodlehair said:
Anyone who thinks Young played well in that game needs to watch it back and look at the absolutely feckng obvious difference when Janujaz, an 18 year old who'd never played in a competitive first team game, came on, and was given the same space Young had been given all game.

Seriously.
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Compared to our other winger Valencia who did.....what?

I thought Young did well, got into some decent positions, should probably have scored on that run through the middle. I don't think you can use the fact Januzaj looked so good to say Young was crap.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Yep. Young played well, but Januzaj offers so much more.
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While I'm excited about what young Januzaj has to offer, let's not get carried away. He's only had twenty or so minutes of PL football.

Young should get back to coming in on his right and curling a shot. That's when he's at his best. Often times he delays on the ball too much and the defender just pokes it away, as seen multiple times today.
 
Well either way it was a bit better than what we've seen in general from the wide play this season I guess. Lets see if he'll do it against a better team though.
 
Mad Winger said:
Young is criminally underrated in here. He was easily one of our best players today.
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Doesn't mean much when most the team was average or had nothing to do. He wouldn't start for any other club in the top 5 imo.
 
When he can't even get credit after a good performance there is little point in engaging with people in this thread.
 
What I've noticed in the last year about Young, is that when is that when he attempting go past defenders his default mode now, is to initiate contact to win fouls. Whether this is due to lack of confidence or he has lost some pace due to injuries I don't know. It was highlighted last year, and I've got no doubts along with Suarez, it's in already in the refs head that this a player who is prone to exaggerate and initiate contact when he is attempting to beat a player. This means when he is genuinely fouled he is unlikely to get the benefit of the doubt especially away from home. His performance was a typical Young performance. There was 2 or 3 moments of quality and he wasn't that bad, but there is still an overall averageness about his game from the left, which showed even against a newly promoted Championship side.
 
Just because he's not a sure starter, it doesn't mean that he's a bad, or even average player.

Young is a good winger. Good enough to start consistenty for the Champions of England? Maybe not, but he's a very capable squad player. There's no point in complaining about him starting a few games. He did well today, except for the dive, so it was hardly a tactical blunder from Moyes.

Januzaj looked awesome, but keep in mind that he came on with fresh legs vs 10 exhausted Crystal Palace players, with us being in the lead and having full control of the game. It was the absolute ideal time for him to show off his skills.
 
Did better than others, including Valencia... but not a peep about them. Redcafe player of choice to dump on at the moment.
 
Done alright today. I'm not a big fan, but he did link up with Evra very well. Crossing was poor. Squad player at best once Nani is fully fit, and Adnan is impressing more and more.
 
Hes predictable to defend against when hes on the left wing tbh. He did ok in the second half but hes also given so much space out there. For the amount that he has the ball, hes very wasteful and should doing much better. Maybe its the different standards we all expect.
 
acnumber9 said:
When he can't even get credit after a good performance there is little point in engaging with people in this thread.
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exactly. had a good game today. our problems are not individuals but the fact that we have no idea how we are playing, and havent for the last 18 months
 
I don't think he was poor or anything, I thought it was a decent performance which improved in the second half. But wouldn't say it was particularly good. He didn't put in any particularly good crosses, his dribbles were nothing especially good given the room he had. The best aspect was his link up with Evra but I don't think anyone has aver criticized that, he's always done well there. It's when he himself needs to put in a good ball, similarly to Valencia, where the main problem has been and it was still there. His best piece of play was when he took on a few people and did well but completely let himself down with a really bad dive, something you'd hope he'd have started to remove from his game, certainly when its that blatant.

The real test will be whether he will play in this fashion against a better team. Personally I don't see much to right home about, in this performance against what will likely be the worst team in the league at home, playing with ten men during Young's best spell. If you're comparing against Valencia than he was good, but if you're comparing to what you'd hope from a united player then don't think it was that good.

Its a base for him to work off though, hopefully will give him more confidence because at some point we're gonna need one of the wingers to start producing more, particularly if Welbeck is likely to be playing on one wing, not being a particularly creative player.
 
Ash_G said:
I don't think he was poor or anything, I thought it was a decent performance which improved in the second half. But wouldn't say it was particularly good. He didn't put in any particularly good crosses, his dribbles were nothing especially good given the room he had. The best aspect was his link up with Evra but I don't think anyone has aver criticized that, he's always done well there. It's when he himself needs to put in a good ball, similarly to Valencia, where the main problem has been and it was still there. His best piece of play was when he took on a few people and did well but completely let himself down with a really bad dive, something you'd hope he'd have started to remove from his game, certainly when its that blatant.

The real test will be whether he will play in this fashion against a better team. Personally I don't see much to right home about, in this performance against what will likely be the worst team in the league at home, playing with ten men during Young's best spell. If you're comparing against Valencia than he was good, but if you're comparing to what you'd hope from a united player then don't think it was that good.

Its a base for him to work off though, hopefully will give him more confidence because at some point we're gonna need one of the wingers to start producing more, particularly if Welbeck is likely to be playing on one wing, not being a particularly creative player.
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Let's be happy to have players like him, who won't mind to spend time on the bench. There is one thing you can never criticize Young for, it's being lazy. We need players like him in the side.
 
Ash_G said:
I don't think he was poor or anything, I thought it was a decent performance which improved in the second half. But wouldn't say it was particularly good. He didn't put in any particularly good crosses, his dribbles were nothing especially good given the room he had. The best aspect was his link up with Evra but I don't think anyone has aver criticized that, he's always done well there. It's when he himself needs to put in a good ball, similarly to Valencia, where the main problem has been and it was still there. His best piece of play was when he took on a few people and did well but completely let himself down with a really bad dive, something you'd hope he'd have started to remove from his game, certainly when its that blatant.

The real test will be whether he will play in this fashion against a better team. Personally I don't see much to right home about, in this performance against what will likely be the worst team in the league at home, playing with ten men during Young's best spell. If you're comparing against Valencia than he was good, but if you're comparing to what you'd hope from a united player then don't think it was that good.

Its a base for him to work off though, hopefully will give him more confidence because at some point we're gonna need one of the wingers to start producing more, particularly if Welbeck is likely to be playing on one wing, not being a particularly creative player.
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Some of his most impressive performances have come against the better teams IMO.
 
Nani is fecked, Young's average performances are hyping him up while he himself will probably turn in a few average performances due to a combination of lack of match fitness plus his usual poor decision making.
 
Januzaj is miles better to watch even at 18 years old. Young should be behind Nani, Kagawa, Januzaj and Zaha in the pecking order
 
okay game from him. Won the penalty, though that was likely more down to the defender going to ground stupidly when if he had remained on his feet the ref would have likely ignored the shouts and thought it was a dive. Kept getting into dangerous positions, but just can't seem to get that final ball/shot right. Needs to fix that or Januzaj will be pushing him for his place and that is even ignoring nani looking for the spot as well
 
Fergus' son said:
Some of his most impressive performances have come against the better teams IMO.
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But not in recent times, well not that I can remember. Same with Valencia. Both have been capable of great performances but neither did it last season and so far don't think either have been particularly good this season either.
 
kouroux said:
Let's be happy to have players like him, who won't mind to spend time on the bench. There is one thing you can never criticize Young for, it's being lazy. We need players like him in the side.
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I've no issue with that at all and am happy to have him as part of the squad. I think either he or Valencia when they're in decent form and you have a more creative player on the other flank bring a good balance, both work hard and both are generally sensible with the ball. But I think we should be expecting a lot more from our wingers in general and for me I didn't see that much from him to think he was that good against probably the worst team in the league at home. A lot better than Valencia but neither doing as much as we'd like imo.
 
He was crap in the first half, did well for then penalty, then actually played fairly well in the second half... not setting the world on fire or anything, but definitely not shit.
 
Ash_G said:
I've no issue with that at all and am happy to have him as part of the squad. I think either he or Valencia when they're in decent form and you have a more creative player on the other flank bring a good balance, both work hard and both are generally sensible with the ball. But I think we should be expecting a lot more from our wingers in general and for me I didn't see that much from him to think he was that good against probably the worst team in the league at home. A lot better than Valencia but neither doing as much as we'd like imo.
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From Valencia definitely as for vast periods of time he's a regular starter but for Young I don't know. Never expected him to do that much than he's currently showing tbh.
 
He was actually pretty good today, mainly in the second half. A lot of it had to do with a very poor full-back performance against him and Evra, which made it easy to link up. But still, good game.

That said, I think we saw just as much from Januzaj.
 
kouroux said:
From Valencia definitely as for vast periods of time he's a regular starter but for Young I don't know. Never expected him to do that much than he's currently showing tbh.
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But then surely you must think Young shouldn't be a starter?
 
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