Smashley Young

That's slightly too harsh. Young is no way near as much a tosser as Kieran Richardson was. In fact, Young isn't a tosser. I just don't rate him that highly.

Kieran Richardson is probably the only United player I've properly disliked. Tosser
 
Yeah he is. Or was. Those were his glorydays

While he's clearly a better player than Richardson, he came to us an established England player with heaps of experience and a big signing. Its only right that Richardson, a young player learning the game, would have been given more patience than Young and I'm not sure he got it.
 
Just run at someone! Seriously!

He just doesn't take defenders on anymore. There were so many times yesterday that he had so much space to run into, but he just chose not to. Instead he's either start to amble into the space, then quickly change his mind and pass the ball backwards, or just pass it to Evra in the first place. He offers nothing at all going forward at the moment.
 
Not a United player. Doesn't have the confidence or the balls to be a United player and I can't see him picking himself up from this dip.
 
Even if he does have the odd game game every now and then it's still not enough. Squad players dont cost what Ashley Young cost, not to mention being in the last year of his contract. I reckon Fergie thought Young would be a top player for us, well he must have thought something along those lines if he wanted to sign him that badly and at that cost. It's proven to be quite an unsuccessful one and I'm starting to think, maybe the manager got this one wrong. Young is meant to be in his prime, he's 27. Valencia was playing for Wigan, and he stepped up when he signed for United. Young has not managed that.
 
Longsden_7 said:
Not a United player. Doesn't have the confidence or the balls to be a United player and I can't see him picking himself up from this dip.
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fecking harsh that mate. He is our player, let's hope he can get back to some type of form. Got to admit he has been absolute pants recently though.
 
For a player of Young's age he still looks a bit raw IMO, which doesn't say much for the coaching during the past few years.

One thing he does have in his locker is a goal from range, something all too rare in our team in recent seasons.
 
Orton said:
Even if he does have the odd game game every now and then it's still not enough. Squad players dont cost what Ashley Young cost, not to mention being in the last year of his contract. I reckon Fergie thought Young would be a top player for us, well he must have thought something along those lines if he wanted to sign him that badly and at that cost. It's proven to be quite an unsuccessful one and I'm starting to think, maybe the manager got this one wrong. Young is meant to be in his prime, he's 27. Valencia was playing for Wigan, and he stepped up when he signed for United. Young has not managed that.
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Agreed. And even though people remember differently because of a few Valencia(-Berbatov)-Rooney highlight moments, people were still a little unsure of Valencia's suitability at this level despite having a better first season than Young. He showed his character and quality at the back-end of the following season and that's what Young should be doing now when he's being given his chance. I have really low expectations of him ever justifying the transfer even though he'll undoubtedly pull himself out of this slump and prove to be a decent squad player.
 
I have to agree that Young probably doesn't have good enough ability to be one of our main stars, but he is good enough to be at the club. We did spend a lot of money on him though, and I think he could well be better off being a big fish in a smaller pond.
 
Longsden_7 said:
Not a United player. Doesn't have the confidence or the balls to be a United player and I can't see him picking himself up from this dip.
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JonMotsonsFur said:
fecking harsh that mate. He is our player, let's hope he can get back to some type of form. Got to admit he has been absolute pants recently though.
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Harsh reality if you ask me. We should support him when he plays for the team obviously, but his confidence has hit rock bottom right now. I kind of agree with Longsden in the confidence/balls stance. Even when United players have a poor patches of form, the positive intent is always still there - Young hasn't shown much intent at all lately. It's one thing to lose the ball running at someone i.e. Nani or making Bebe-esque crosses, but Young's lethargic play is extremely off putting and reflects a lack of desire to me.

I hope he pulls through, but like Brwned said, considering his age Young hasn't matured or developed well at all. What exactly would be considered a success for Young at this point?
 
He shouldn't be here in my view. The saddest thing about that, is that watching him I get the impression that he knows/believes that as much as I do.
 
The White Pele said:
I agree with this. Watching him play at the moment makes me think he reads Redcafe. He needs to get back to being direct and driving towards the centre of the opposition defence more often because then he is dangerous with his ability to curl the ball.

Underrated on here at the moment but has been badly out of form for most of 2012.
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I don't think he is underrated on here, he's rated as what he is, a decent Premiership player but no more.
 
While i agre he is not the greatest, i still remember his excellent run of form at the start of last season.

That midfield seemed to suit him far better as he was much closer to the box than the touchline when he received the ball. Much better as a goaslscorer than a provider in my view, and the way we play him as a touchline winger doesn't seem to get the best from him.

If a player is lacking confidence and suffering from inconsistency, then maybe it is becausde he doesn't feel comfortable in the role he is being asked to fulfill. I think Nani falls into that category too imo.
 
apotheosis said:
While i agre he is not the greatest, i still remember his excellent run of form at the start of last season.

That midfield seemed to suit him far better as he was much closer to the box than the touchline when he received the ball. Much better as a goaslscorer than a provider in my view, and the way we play him as a touchline winger doesn't seem to get the best from him.
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True this.. also I think he does well if there are others drawing defenders away so he can drift in somewhere near the edge of the area and curl one. Does rather well if the team as a whole is playing well but perhaps feels too much of an ask to be the main mode of making inroads into the opposition defence, IMO. Hope he finds form, though, gets a wicked delivery in if he's confident. Heck, hope at least one of our wingers hits some form :rolleyes:
 
If you want to sum up Young's poor form, look at how he passed the ball to open space once a West Ham defender approached him. There was no one there and Evra was closer to midfield so I'm not sure what he saw. Even though there was a teammate open to his right, he still made that ridiculous pass. It was shocking.
 
Colin129 said:
I don't think he is underrated on here, he's rated as what he is, a decent Premiership player but no more.
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Spot on.

I will, however, give credit to Young for being capable of that one moment of magic, two or three times a season. That may sound like a back-handed compliment, but it's really not. Having that threat of magic in the back pocket is got to come in handy late in the season when every single point will be a dogfight.
 
Plato said:
If you want to sum up Young's poor form, look at how he passed the ball to open space once a West Ham defender approached him. There was no one there and Evra was closer to midfield so I'm not sure what he saw. Even though there was a teammate open to his right, he still made that ridiculous pass. It was shocking.
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Yes, that pissed me off too. It was almost as if he was afraid of holding on to the ball.
 
He plays it safe because he is limited as a player - he doesnt have the pace or trickery to get past his man and he doesnt have Beckhamesque delivery. he had decent delivery before bu even his corners now are crap.

Lets sell him and end this pain for ourselves and for Ashley. Young would be better at a smaller club where there is less pressure. To Sunderland for £12m?
 
Is it silly to suggest that Fergie has instructed him to play it safe, addressing that ball retention problem that is so often quoted on here for example?
 
Ball retention is more relevant when you're being put under pressure. Our problem right now is making more use of possession
 
Zen86 said:
Is it silly to suggest that Fergie has instructed him to play it safe, addressing that ball retention problem that is so often quoted on here for example?
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The whole team has been playing "safe" this season, thats why we have a lot of players at or around the 90% pass accuracy mark. Other players are still able to do stuff, not just pass it backwards and sideways. Even Carrick is creating just as much as Young. On the other side we have Valencia also playing it safe and despite being in his poorest form at United, he's created almost double what Young has.
 
People are pretty quick to forget how good he looked for a number of matches last season. And how much of an upgrade on the left he is for us (Park? Giggs?).

He's been injured for ages, had the whole diving controversy and just appears to have no confidence.

I'm not saying he's not done anything to alienate the fans - he isn't massively likeable - but I do believe he's better than he's currently playing. And surely our role as fans is to try and give him the confidence to at least try and get back to his best?

With the injuries we have, I still believe both defensively and going forward he's better on the left than any other option (Welbz, Cleverley, Giggs). So like it or not he's going to be the starting Manchester United winger, and we should get behind him because of that fact, and nothing else.
 
Needs a proper game on the right wing - as a pure wide man to get his confidence back. He is a very good player but, needs to build his confidence up - once it's there, will back to providing the scoring opportunities + scoring goals that he has shown over the last several years.
 
Beachryan said:
People are pretty quick to forget how good he looked for a number of matches last season. And how much of an upgrade on the left he is for us (Park? Giggs?).

He's been injured for ages, had the whole diving controversy and just appears to have no confidence.

I'm not saying he's not done anything to alienate the fans - he isn't massively likeable - but I do believe he's better than he's currently playing. And surely our role as fans is to try and give him the confidence to at least try and get back to his best?

With the injuries we have, I still believe both defensively and going forward he's better on the left than any other option (Welbz, Cleverley, Giggs). So like it or not he's going to be the starting Manchester United winger, and we should get behind him because of that fact, and nothing else.
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Why you overlooked Nani when you were talking about our left winger?
 
Shimo said:
Needs a proper game on the right wing - as a pure wide man to get his confidence back. He is a very good player but, needs to build his confidence up - once it's there, will back to providing the scoring opportunities + scoring goals that he has shown over the last several years.
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I was thinking this as well.

But that means Welbeck or Rooney on the left. Or some kind of diamond formation with little width.
 
I dont like the way he's easily knocked off the ball

What I DO like is his intelligence. I think he offers a different dimension from our other wingers. Young will cut in or slide a ball into the path of a midfielder, he isnt all about getting to the byline and crossing. I still very much see him as a United player, and some of the comments on here are extremely harsh
 
When we signed Ashley Young, I thought it was good move because despite his huge price tag, I always looked at him as a squad player that was a significant upgrade to what we had and have had in the past as options on the wing. And even better for us was the fact that on his day he could be a very good player and a difference maker. I still believe this to be true, but through no fault of his own, the situation at United has changed and like many others I have been heavily scrutinizing more so than I would in the past.

The situation with Nani is the reason why. Under Sir Alex, 4-4-2 with 2 wingers will never go away, which means that if Nani leaves, we'll be heavily reliant in alot of games on Ashley Young's performance and while I trust him to come into the team every so often and do a job for us (like Park), I don't feel he's good enough to be a key player for us on a consistent basis. It's not Ashley Young's fault that things are this way and if Nani stays, the criticism won't be as strong because he should go back to being what he should be; a squad player.
 
I have no problem with Young as a squad player. We rotate heavily throughout the season and as he proved last season, he can contribute with some vital goals. I do have a problem with him if he is a first choice starter on a regular basis; because he just isn't good enough for that.
 
simonhch said:
I have no problem with Young as a squad player. We rotate heavily throughout the season and as he proved last season, he can contribute with some vital goals. I do have a problem with him if he is a first choice starter on a regular basis; because he just isn't good enough for that.
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Simon sums it up nicely.

The problem is that with the demise of Nani we've come to rely heavily on Young and we suffer because of that. If for whatever Nani were to leave us would anyone here really argue that Young is the answer at left wing and that we should banish all thoughts of Rodriguez or other wingers who might be available in the market? Of course not.
 
Gotta give him credit for the first half.He's been great, he's done the things we've all want to do.Take on players, fast passing,create space and deliver good crosses.More of the same please Ash
 
Delighted for him. Hopefully that will give this thread a rest for a few days. As not as many care when he does well rather than shite.
 
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