His corners were aces too while at Villa. Here, he cant even beat the first man
Smashley Young
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I don't want to be too critical as he was okay last season, but what i find so annoying is that he is a one trick pony. when he play on the left all he does is cut back on his right foot and cross the ball.
Also, he seems to have lost a bit of pace but compensated it with the art of diving.
Also, he seems to have lost a bit of pace but compensated it with the art of diving.
How? Park actually defends. For example he averages 3.4 tackles a game at QPR while Young averages 1.3 per game. Thats slightly ahead of Rooney. He's also been more creative... I think that tells you all you need to know.
That's not a new thing, he's always been one of the worst in the league, long before he came here.
Waste of fecking spunk. Never a United player in a million years.
He looks like Mo Farrah with AIDS too, which doesn't help things
He looks like Mo Farrah with AIDS too, which doesn't help things
The hate portrayed towards him here is amazing. He's a United player FFS. Get behind the lad, and oh he's twice the player than Park
Would have Park in his prime all day long over Young.
well you could agree that he's not good enough.
on the other hand i think he did pretty well on Saturday.
Extremely dramatic and annoying when criticism of a player, especially reasoned criticism, is summarized in this manner. Nobody 'hates' Ashley Young for goodness sake!
Open your eyes you bell-end.
There are some utterly embarrassing comments from fans in this thread. Utter fecking mental shite that just leaves you shaking your head.
Wouldn't say it is hate towards Young. But he is the current go to scape goat for a lot of people.
Twice the player than Park? Really? Remind me of the last time Ashley Young had a big game against the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, or heck Barcelona.
Get your facts right idiot.
"Hate" isn't the right word. The feeling here is more one of disappointment, nothing close to hatred. Suarez and Terry are objects of hatred, perhaps, but not Young.
With respect to the disappointment expressed toward Young, how could it be otherwise? He had some fantastic moments early on, especially in the thrashing of Arsenal, but since then he's looked poor as as often as he's looked decent. Rarely has he looked sensational.
Ad that's the standard we, perhaps "spoiled" supporters of United, expect...sensational. A lot of players could be brought to look decent in a United shirt, but is that all what we want? Of course not. Do we supporters "deserve" better than Ashley Young? Maybe that's up for debate, but if we expect to be in the hunt for multiple trophies, players like Ashley Young can do no better than provides supporting role for that lofty goal. Maybe that's okay, but most of here demand better of a Manchester United winger when we see Ashley Young out there.
With respect to the disappointment expressed toward Young, how could it be otherwise? He had some fantastic moments early on, especially in the thrashing of Arsenal, but since then he's looked poor as as often as he's looked decent. Rarely has he looked sensational.
Ad that's the standard we, perhaps "spoiled" supporters of United, expect...sensational. A lot of players could be brought to look decent in a United shirt, but is that all what we want? Of course not. Do we supporters "deserve" better than Ashley Young? Maybe that's up for debate, but if we expect to be in the hunt for multiple trophies, players like Ashley Young can do no better than provides supporting role for that lofty goal. Maybe that's okay, but most of here demand better of a Manchester United winger when we see Ashley Young out there.
Wow, looking back at what Park did for us in big games, it just makes Young look a lot worse.
Anyways, A.Young is just out of form, had some niggling injuries and hasn't had a real consistent run yet. He hasn't been too wasteful yet he hasn't been getting past the full back much.
I'd still wait till the end of the season.
Shut up you idiot. What an insult to Park.
Sunday, August 28th, 2011
Strange point to make about showing some respect to your own players and then going on to say that about Park though...maybe it's only ok once they leave.
You fecking helmet.
Hate is 100% the right word. Phrases like 'not good enough for United', 'one dimensional', 'shite', 'diver' are just the tip of the iceberg.
If you can't handle that he plays for United then feck off and support someone else who buys every flavour of the month player that you want to watch.
edit: That's not direct at you Ruud, the general populace drinking haterade.
I agree.
Its also the circumstances of his arrival that summer. We play Barca in a CL final. We know we are well behind them but we dare to hope. We get out there and get completely schooled, so much so that it is utterly depressing to think how inferior we are. Sent home, tail between legs, back to the drawing board to think about how we are going to get our house in order to give a better account of ourselves next time. So what do we do? Buy Young. As if that is going to help in any way, shape or form.
I think that made it worse for me. I was looking for us to step up, give some indication we had recognised the challenge that had been set. In that signing I saw no such recognition. It was a signing devoid of all ambition.
I don't hate him. I do think he's shite though, and not at the standard required to be a United player. Also with a far more talented player seemingly on his way out, it makes no sense to have him as a first choice. Do you think he's been worth £17m and £100k a week?
I was one of the few who supported us signing him, and thought he was a good little player. Also defended him a lot last season.
But its getting harder and harder to defend him at the moment. He's just utter shite atm. Doesn't actually do anything productive. Just passes it to evra every single time. It's getting painful to watch.
But its getting harder and harder to defend him at the moment. He's just utter shite atm. Doesn't actually do anything productive. Just passes it to evra every single time. It's getting painful to watch.
If you look at the quality of wingers we have at this club during SAF's tenure, and consider that SAF seems to actually consider Young a first choice player in our team, I do think it's fair to say that we should expect better, especially when we are now more fecking reliant on our wingers than we ever have been before because our midfield is so shit.
I'd say very few of us would have any problems with Young if he was bought for a reasonable fee, wasn't on extortionate wages (and higher wages than a better winger) and was seen as more of a squad player than an integral player by SAF. But taking all these things into account it's really hard to get behind the transfer and the player now.
He's underwhelming even at his best. His best game was against Arsenal who we always beat.
He's another bad buy. Its likely Fergie will keep him in and sell Nani. You blame Nani for wanting pay parity with Young?
He's another bad buy. Its likely Fergie will keep him in and sell Nani. You blame Nani for wanting pay parity with Young?
He's yet to even get close to what Park did with us. And he's not a better player. People have such a selective memory of Park as a player.
Btw, Ghaliboy, OED definition of hatred: The condition or state of relations in which one person hates another; the emotion or feeling of hate; active dislike, detestation; enmity, ill-will, malevolence.
I looked hard, but I couldn't find 'thinking someone's a shite footballer' in there anywhere.
Btw, Ghaliboy, OED definition of hatred: The condition or state of relations in which one person hates another; the emotion or feeling of hate; active dislike, detestation; enmity, ill-will, malevolence.
I looked hard, but I couldn't find 'thinking someone's a shite footballer' in there anywhere.
He's miles more talented than Park. The goals against Arsenal and Spurs last season were the kind of thing Park could never produce. Not sure how worthy a comparison it is anyway, Park was all about effort, pressure, helping the good players shine whereas Young is more about running at people, crossing, shooting himself. Last year he showed the kind of player he is and he's one of the top wingers in the country. He's just come back from an injury and is evidently out of form, he's clearly a much better player than this season has suggested.
I agree that there is some pretty pathetic scapegoating going on here.
I agree that there is some pretty pathetic scapegoating going on here.
Park had plenty of big moments for us in the league, and in Europe. As things stand, Ashley Young has 2. Park was a big game player who sometimes didn't get the credit he deserved. Seems you are overrating young here, because his crossing and shooting on the whole has been quite poor and he doesn't offer much of an attacking threat. Young did have a premier league career before Man Utd, and apparently he wasn't all that at Villa either. Well, when you look at what he cost, he's not living up to it at all. Valencia came in and he has shown he has what it takes to play for United. Young hasn't proved a thing yet.
That goal against Blackburn was pretty tasty though.
Valencia turned out to be an exceptional signing, but I don't see how that's relevant to Young. Young had been Villa's best player for a while - if anything he looked a little complacent at times because he was clearly better than his teammates and could do with a move elsewhere. In his first season for us he looked right in his element, it's an absolute myth that he only played well in the lesser games, he was consistently impressive until his injury and hasn't had a run of games to recover that form since.
Personally I'd give him time before writing off last season and calling him a failure after about 4 games. I'm sick of people mentioning the Euros because it has feck all relevance to United. If Fergie has a problem with Nani and wants rid then that is in no way Young's fault, yet it seems he is the scapegoat. It wouldn't be the first time Fergie disciplines a player by keeping them out of the side for a while before unleashing them later in the season, anyway.
Personally I'd give him time before writing off last season and calling him a failure after about 4 games. I'm sick of people mentioning the Euros because it has feck all relevance to United. If Fergie has a problem with Nani and wants rid then that is in no way Young's fault, yet it seems he is the scapegoat. It wouldn't be the first time Fergie disciplines a player by keeping them out of the side for a while before unleashing them later in the season, anyway.
Somebody wrote in the matchday thread that Young looks like a someone who has won a competition to play for Untied's first team - I don't think I could put it any better really. Looks so out of place it's a tad embarrassing.
My opinion of him was poor anyway as I thought his constant diving around last season was just pathetic and not good for the clubs image.
I read that he is on 80k a week - if that is true then the club seriously needs to look at the wages it offers players as he is mid table at very, very best.
My opinion of him was poor anyway as I thought his constant diving around last season was just pathetic and not good for the clubs image.
I read that he is on 80k a week - if that is true then the club seriously needs to look at the wages it offers players as he is mid table at very, very best.
Exactly, and one of those was against a team that had quite frankly shat itself and imploded.
Nani>Valencia>Giggs>Park>Thornley>Davies>Richardson>Ralphe Milne>Young
Look at the early parts of this thread, after his first month or so at the club.
https://www.redcafe.net/f6/ashley-young-333755/index24.html
Serious praise for him there. That's what's really disappointing, we just haven't seen anything of that quality since then. Everyone laughed at pete when he made the "1 in 5 player" comment but it turned out to be pretty spot on in the end. Still, it does show that he is capable of having quality games and making a real difference, but those are very, very few and far in between.
https://www.redcafe.net/f6/ashley-young-333755/index24.html
Serious praise for him there. That's what's really disappointing, we just haven't seen anything of that quality since then. Everyone laughed at pete when he made the "1 in 5 player" comment but it turned out to be pretty spot on in the end. Still, it does show that he is capable of having quality games and making a real difference, but those are very, very few and far in between.
Ashley Young obviously has talent, but he seems to have lost faith in his own abilities. I remember watching him at Villa thinking only Lennon, Agbonlahor and Walcott were predictably faster than him; he had excellent crosses and his dribbling wasn't shabby either. Now, watching him play for United, he looks a bit sluggish, his crosses tend to be overhit, and he can't run with the ball. There isn't even that 1 in 5 games as you mentioned Cina - he doesn't seem to display that top level anymore. However, he has been out injured, so let's hope he'll turn good.
6 assists after 4 matches last year and only 2 since.
He was not consistently Villa's best player. Living in the West Midlands naturally the majority of my friends are Villa fans. Whilst he was there he had 1 in 5 games where he was their best player by a mile and his individual performances were the best (maybe 7 or 8 of these a season). However overall Milner was far more important to their team, as was Barry and Petrov, as was Dunne 9/10 season and Friedel for 2 seasons.
I've said before that my Villa mates think getting £17m for Young with a year left on his deal at the time was at least as good a deal than Downing with 3 years at £20m.
A shame that 2 of the 6 were Touching the ball before Rooney scored 2 free kicks.
This thread is starting to read just like the one about Fletcher all those years ago before he started to shine.
There's always hope.