Should we renew De Gea's contract?

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But he's not 5th choice isn't he? Maguire is preferred to Lindelof and Shaw played just 5 times as CB. Varane is 31 and is injury prone. Can you imagine if he picks a long term injury and we end up having to rely on him as CB for 2-3 months?
He hasn't really been preferred to Lindelof. They've basically alternated equally all season. Maguire slightly more likely to come off the bench late on when we want to defend aerial balls, but otherwise they've been equals. Something that we don't really need two players for, and as long as one of them is still here next season to rotate with Varane (with Shaw rotating with Martinez on the left) we can easily let one of them go without replacing them. Or if we do it can easily be a very cheap back-up option who would preferably play multiple positions. No way is it a higher priority than keeper.

Obviously if both Maguire and Lindelof leave then we'd need to bring in one new guy to replace them. But we should get enough money from their sales that it will cover the new guy so it won't really effect our other purchases.
 
Serious question; who is our keeper next season if de Gea is not here?

I honestly think there is a lack of options out there and the goalkeeper position is far lower down the list than others. I don't think Henderson is a realistic option to be number, but could prove the better option with a good pre-season behind him and adopting EtH's style of play.

Assuming we don't get the Qatari takeover by the summer, I'd give de Gea a new 2-year contract on £200-250k p/w and let him fight it out with Henderson.

Mike Maignan, Diogo Costa. Hell, even David Raya would be an upgrade and he would be on significantly lower wages.
 
Forget stats entirely.

Eyes alone should tell you that David Raya has had a better season than De Gea and currently looks to be a better goalkeeper than him generally. He has already overtaken him at international level for all the reasons we also think De Gea needs to be replaced and will be leaving Brentford this summer to a bigger side. He would very clearly be a better fit for our style of play and improve us.

That's just one immediately obvious (and obviously obtainable) name from within this league alone. And a realistic assessment of De Gea combined with sheer weight of numbers should make it clear that there will also be other goalkeeper in other leagues who are currently better than him and would improve us.

Stats back that up, but you shouldn't need them to tell you that if you have any capacity to judge De Gea relative to other goalkeepers by watching them play.

It's very, very, very easy to say this person 'looks' better than that player. Playing for Brentford is quite different than playing for Man Utd. You may not, but I remember Barthez, and Bosnich.

For all those who think football is just 'buy him, he is better, his stats are better..' then go take a look at what's happening at Stamford Bridge.

Getting a good keeper in, settled, and improving a big club is not easy.
 
It's a NO from me and I've been very consistent on this for a couple of months.

He is a poor all-round keeper and even as a senior player he has no positive impact on us as a team - no presence, no commanding, no leadership.

That said, if he would be OK drastically reduced wages then he can stay as no2.
 
Mike Maignan, Diogo Costa. Hell, even David Raya would be an upgrade and he would be on significantly lower wages.

I'd say Raya is the only viable option out of the three. The other two are under long-term contracts and their clubs would demand high transfer fees.
 
It's very, very, very easy to say this person 'looks' better than that player. Playing for Brentford is quite different than playing for Man Utd. You may not, but I remember Barthez, and Bosnich.

For all those who think football is just 'buy him, he is better, his stats are better..' then go take a look at what's happening at Stamford Bridge.

Getting a good keeper in, settled, and improving a big club is not easy.

Maybe Raya or whoever else wouldn't be better.

But it currently appears that they would, both statistically and simply by watching them play. Very obviously so. At which point it would be pretty stupid to decline to make that upgrade because you might be wrong, especially when you might be wrong about any signing you make to upgrade any position.

If it doesn't work out, that's life, you move on. But you don't stick with the person who we know for a fact isn't good enough.

You mention Barthez and Bosnich as failed signings, which is correct. But at no point when they had shown they weren't up to the job did I think "well we should stick with them anyway, because all those other goalkeepers might just look better". The mistake was never in trying to get someone better.
 
It's very, very, very easy to say this person 'looks' better than that player. Playing for Brentford is quite different than playing for Man Utd. You may not, but I remember Barthez, and Bosnich.

For all those who think football is just 'buy him, he is better, his stats are better..' then go take a look at what's happening at Stamford Bridge.

Getting a good keeper in, settled, and improving a big club is not easy.

so we should stop buying players because we dont know how they gonna play in a United shirt?

de gea is nowhere near good enough at this point, you cant play football that is required to be at elite level with him in goal because football progressed and keepers like de gea are not cutting it at that level.

Raya or whoever signs, of course he/they might flop but at least we are trying to make a step in the right direction which is better then just standing still.
Also, even if they flop does it really matter from the De Gea perspective? He is also "flopping" so worst case scenario we remain with same issue, just with a much cheeper goalkeeper.
 
As i said at the beggining of the season, if he will continue to play de Gea he is gonna get sacked like all the previous managers
 
It's very, very, very easy to say this person 'looks' better than that player. Playing for Brentford is quite different than playing for Man Utd. You may not, but I remember Barthez, and Bosnich.
Let's pretend we'd sold De Gea at the end of 17/18, and this is a completely different keeper that we've had over the last five years. Let's call him John Smith. How would he be rated? Has he actually been any better than the likes of Barthez or Howard were for us? I wouldn't say so. In fact I'd say both of their first seasons were better than any full season this John Smith has had in that time, before both dropped away and were quite inconsistent and making stupid mistakes. Which is pretty much what John Smith has been doing since we bought him five years ago.
 
The initial post was about priorities. In my opinion the priorities are

A- Striker (first team and cover). Martial is simply too unreliable to act as cover
B- Deep lying playmaker. Eriksen is playing in a role that is unconventional for him, he's 31 and he has heart issues. We need an upgrade
C- CB. (We discussed that already)
D - DM. Casemiro is 31, legs are the first thing to go, he loves the occasional red card and we all know what happens whenever he's not playing
E- GK
F- RB

GK can probably shift to 4th place if Mason Greenwood returns in the squad which in turn makes the need for a cover Stk redundant.
That's your opinion and that's fine. I rate the goalkeeper issue far higher due to the variety of issues I highlighted on the previous pages - equally upgrading the goalkeeper is nowhere near as expensive as people seem to think. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that selling Henderson could pay for a replacement goalkeeper.

For what it's worth my priority list would be as follows;
A- starting striker
B - starting goalkeeper
C- DM cover
D- third centre back
E- starting RB
 
I hear you and I think that DDG should be phased out. However Rome wasn't build in a day and therefore we need to pick our priorities carefully. Now DDG had shown that he can fit in ETH's system as long as our defence has CBs with actual brains. The same can't be said with Maguire who is horrible no matter what. I'd rather retain DDG, sell Maguire and bring in someone like Timber. After all Varane is a ticking time bomb and the last thing we need is for him to pick a long term injury and for us being forced to play Maguire week in week out.

I get where you are coming from with budget and choices but this is his second summer. We really should be kicking on into a title charge. So with that being said replacing DDG is a must.
 
Votes yes just to piss people off.

But for real, we need striker and CM more, so i'd keep him around for one more year with 1 year option, unless we get unlimited money to spend on players.
 
I'd say Raya is the only viable option out of the three. The other two are under long-term contracts and their clubs would demand high transfer fees.

As we saw with Casemiro last summer, United can pay high transfer fees for players if it's in a position that urgently needs addressing. I would prioritise a CF and a GK ahead of any other position.
 
Were it not for the Glazers, I would happily see the back of at least 8 players in current squad + the 2 loanees due to return. But at best, I expect 2-3 to leave so we will have to carry more deadwood next season.

DDG just needs to be moved on, though I suspect he won't, and once you come to terms with that there are areas of the pitch where we are in critical need of improvements. Thanks to Glazers, we are not going to get the 'open heart surgery' that we need...now who said that??
 
It's too vague a question. How long do we renew for and who is the available replacement? The better question is 'do we need to upgrade him' and the answer has drifted between definitely and probably throughout the season. His footwork has got better and obviously he had a bad game but that's not a decider.
 
It's very, very, very easy to say this person 'looks' better than that player. Playing for Brentford is quite different than playing for Man Utd. You may not, but I remember Barthez, and Bosnich.

For all those who think football is just 'buy him, he is better, his stats are better..' then go take a look at what's happening at Stamford Bridge.

Getting a good keeper in, settled, and improving a big club is not easy.
Yes you are right playing for United and Brentford is quite different , but the fact is United haven't been a top team during De Gea stint here and hardly been relevant in league or Champions league and yet De Gea has wilted and Shrinked under even the limited the spotlight way too many times to think he actually had the mentality to be keeper for Club actually challenging for big trophies .

PS Barthez was eccentric but accusing him not been up to the task due to his mentality is nonsense when he was actually part of two title winning teams at United while winning numerous other accolades as well .
 
Fair play to pep when he came to city he could have easily stuck with the reliable joe hart but binned him in favour of bravo who whilst not being the greatest keeper for saving/shit stopping, he was better at playing it out but pep realised the value in order to implement his style it had to make that trade off

Ten hag needs to the same even it means the goalkeeper not being great shot stopper unless he we have been conned into thinking he is progressive modern coach and not another safety first one like all previous managers post fergie
 
Starting a poll after what probably was his worst performance for us during otherwise a very good season is not only add stupid, it's agenda driven.
 
Starting a poll after what probably was his worst performance for us during otherwise a very good season is not only add stupid, it's agenda driven.

To describe his season as very good is ridiculous tbh.

And there is nothing wrong with inflection points after what was one of our most important games of the season.

His kicking was atrocious v Betis and we were extremely lucky not to go 2-0 down to Barca at Old Trafford after what was another extremely poor error.


We didn't get away with it this time.


It would be a scandal if we improved the squad over the Summer to get us into a position to compete in the knockout stages of the CL next season only to keep DDG in goal. An absolute scandal and it can't be allowed to happen.
 
It's very, very, very easy to say this person 'looks' better than that player. Playing for Brentford is quite different than playing for Man Utd. You may not, but I remember Barthez, and Bosnich.

For all those who think football is just 'buy him, he is better, his stats are better..' then go take a look at what's happening at Stamford Bridge.

Getting a good keeper in, settled, and improving a big club is not easy.

Yes but by that logic, we shouldn't sign anyone in any position because Maguire, Sancho, Pogba, Ronaldo have been been flops.
 
Nothing about sentiment from me.. this is about transition. I am yet to hear anyone state a better keeper who is available. I can only think Pickford as a ready example as he isn't staying at Everton (unless he's nuts).

I'm not saying we should not be looking for a replacement.. what I am saying is that he is not as bad as many on here seem to be saying (and I have heard v v v few voices throughout the season giving him the torrid of abuse that I am now observing following last nights' debacle..).

And for those who choose stats, take a look at this, https://bit.ly/3H4rsrT and take note of who, according to stats is number 18.

If you think the keeper's at Palace and Bournemouth are better than DDG, because stats say so, then that's up to you. You want them to replace DDG then? Fabianski at West Ham better than DDG.. do me a favour...!

Too many fans rely upon stats to 'prove' what a good player is. Stats contextualise rather than define a players ability.

No? Why are we linking shitty keepers to replace DDG with like that's our only choice? Bring in Diogo Costa, Mike Maignan, Unai Simon or any number of better keepers we could buy around the world at this point in time. I don't care about Stats I care about watching DDG week in week out completely fail to command his area, fail to claim crosses, always making stupid passes and so on and so on.

For some reason he gets a pass because he can pull of a worldy save, well guess what? He isn't the only goalkeeper that can pull off worldy saves, it is possible to buy a keeper that has an aerial presence, can pass, and can make worldy saves, there's a few we could buy right now, so what is the argument other than blind sentiment to keeping him?
 
For what it's worth my priority list would be as follows;
A- starting striker
B - starting goalkeeper
C- DM cover
D- third centre back
E- starting RB

I'm the same, even if I had goalkeeper as a lower priority, the fact is his De Gea's contract is up this summer, makes this a priority.

If we sign him on a 4-year 250k contract, as rumoured, that's 52 million quid, and we will struggle to sell him if/when he continues to underperform.
 
Expires in June with an option for another year that the club has not triggered. There's no way he's going into next season on the same wages.

Look, we've all loved the guy, he put in some world class performances, player of the year and all that, but his time at the very top level has passed. Ole was prepared to move on from him with Henderson until Covid and Hendersons general arsehole behaviour got in the way. Better all round for us to go our seperate ways.
Then it is a no brainer. We shake hands and allow him to leave in June. My understanding is that the reason why we are offering him a new contract is only because we don't want to be in the market for a keepr this summer.
 
To describe his season as very good is ridiculous tbh.

And there is nothing wrong with inflection points after what was one of our most important games of the season.

His kicking was atrocious v Betis and we were extremely lucky not to go 2-0 down to Barca at Old Trafford after what was another extremely poor error.


We didn't get away with it this time.


It would be a scandal if we improved the squad over the Summer to get us into a position to compete in the knockout stages of the CL next season only to keep DDG in goal. An absolute scandal and it can't be allowed to happen.


And that's just in the Europa games. There was Brentford away where he dropped 2 clangers in one game. Brentford at home where he blasted the ball at Ivan Toney and was lucky that it didn't fly into the net. Everton in the FA Cup where he was leaning against his post like a drunk guy waiting for a taxi.

Not only is he shocking with the ball at his feet, but he's also so terrified of leaving his goal line and commanding his area that he's costing us multiple avoidable goals every season. Why on earth some people are advocating that we reward such mediocrity with a new contract is beyond me.
 
That's your opinion and that's fine. I rate the goalkeeper issue far higher due to the variety of issues I highlighted on the previous pages - equally upgrading the goalkeeper is nowhere near as expensive as people seem to think. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that selling Henderson could pay for a replacement goalkeeper.

For what it's worth my priority list would be as follows;
A- starting striker
B - starting goalkeeper
C- DM cover
D- third centre back
E- starting RB

we are splitting hairs here. You think that GK is 2nd priority while CB is 4th priority. I think that CB is 2-3rd priority and GK is 4-5th priority. If our club is able to sign 6 players then both of us will be happy.
 
Last night was an awful mistake, and sometimes these things happen with keepers. Btw, think of all the so-called 'top' keepers in the Premiership this season.. how many of them have had really good seasons? Arsenal's yes, and City's I would suggest possibly. Who else? Nick Pope??? Better than DDG? Pickford...? Because he is also a keeper which has his moments.

And replace him with who? Are they available?

We have short memories. DDG has been excellent this season. Of course we need to be looking at a long-term replacement, but I don't see an issue with extending his contract. Because other clubs will buy DDG is he says he wants out. We forget the number of games he has been the difference in us this season, we have won and gained points in many, many tight games.

Some seem v v quick to discard someone who has been both brilliant and loyal to this great football club. How many of our current squad can also be described that way?

Let's work with DDG to manage the transition. Let's show him the respect and dignity he deserves, because he has (unlike some of out other squad members..) earned it.

We can agree to disagree about whether he has been brilliant or not this year. I think he's had some good games. He's made some good saves. But I wouldn't agree he's been brilliant, at all. But that's subjective, so no point in arguing.

As for the bolded part, I really disagree. His wage is obscene when compared to his ability/performances.

And as for the loyalty part, it's a football club. You do your job and if you're not up to it anymore, someone better has to fill your spot. De Gea does deserve respect, he's been a great servant to the club. But respect shouldn't come at a cost to the team's playing ambitions. He should always welcomed at the club. The end should be dignified from both parties. But it's time for him to move on.

Ands this will be called a cop out, but I can't tell you who I'd replace him with. Luckily, that's not my job. But if the manager and recruitment department haven't identified a player who would suit the manager's style of play and do a better job that David, then that's a huge failing on their part.
 
Genuine question for anyone who's in the 10%.

If he goes out of contract, which clubs do you think will be interested in signing him?

DDG will get a contract a decent club if he was to leave this summer. Barca, City, Bayern etc no... but CL quality sides, definitely. People talking about him as if he some joke of a keeper with no pedigree. It's disrepectful and doesn't reflect his form and his important saves/performances this season. You think we would be in the top four without his form?

I find this response to last nights error quite amazing. I do.

I have heard that that the keeper at Brentford may be a better option, and I still question that because Brentford to Man Utd is a massive, massive step.
 
The reality was shown last night, the squad has little depth but let’s be sensible we need two players for every position and right now the GK is second priority after CFW.

GK - We need 1 at least, Heaton should be kept as 3rd Choice D De Gea maybe as back up but he’ll never be a modern GK so we might need 2 or let him go and let D Henderson fight it out with a new GL like D Costa or Mike Maignan

RB - we are ok, sign Frimpong if money no issue and keep the other 2.

LB. - We are ok as A Fernandez will put huge pressure on Tyrel Malacia soon

CB - Without Question need to sell H Maguire, Lindelof is more than ok but as Swedish captain will be off too, so we’ll need two, K Min Jae and A Bastoni or F Tomari will cost £90m for both and we might get £50m for Maguire and Lindelof

DM - Casemiro is 30, he’s played 42 games and the last 3 or 4 really poor, he’s not on the slide but we may have seen peak Casemiro just after Xmas. After CF, GK, CB this is the next priority, Sign Caciedo or D Rice simple £75m put the money on table and you have next decade sorted. Either one doesn’t matter but one must be signed.

CM - Bruno, Eriksen, Fred, Mctominay, call me CFW y but I’d keep Mctominay purely over Fred because of his physicality and HG Status, Fred should be sold as ETH clearly doesn’t fancy him we need a top operator here, I would try and sign Rabiot on a free, he’s able to play 6 or 8 and he’s better than Macalister or Enzo Le Fey or Y Tielemans.

AM - Bruno, Sabitzer, DVB we’ve not had genuine competition for Bruno in this position for ages, which is why when he doesn’t play like yesterday we look lost as an attacking force, Sabitzer 29 average player who works hard but United need something better, DVB Times up. If Leicester go down we should be all over Maddison, if not we should go get M Kudas from Ajax but we need a young number 10 who can play 8 or wide inverted striker.

RW - Antony getting there, needs competition we could do worse than bring back Amad as back fits the criteria quick left footed can drift in and added goals.

CFW - Weghorst sorry back to Burnley, Martial should be shipped out but on 250k per week he’s not going anywhere so we’ll keep to play Carabo cup until 2024, Number 1 priority we need 2 CFW’ s not 1 as Greenwood will be sold to Italy or Germany, I’d sign R Hojlund and E Ferguson both young they can compete and share the load. We should be able to get both for £110m the cost of G Ramos, Kane or osimhen..


We’ve been looking at this all wrong, no more mercenaries, no 29-31 year old looking for huge 300k per week 4/5 year contracts. No young wannabe upstart under 25 demanding the number 7 shirt and 350k per week.

David De Gea should be released, he’s been a great servant in 12-13 years and won one EPL, one Fa Cup, Two Carabo cups, so he’s not all that is he ? I actually used to prefer Sergio Romero but hey after we get smart and go sign R Hojlund and Evan Ferguson very quickly for £110m and stop chasing Pipe dreams which ruin your pre season with the length of the chase and inevitably over paying £120-140m for osimhen or Kane only to pay them 300-400k per week, we should be throwing 70-80m at Mike Maignan and only resign David on £100k per week.

We can sign this summer ;
Mike Maignan -£40m (+ Greenwood)
K Min Jae - £40m
Ndicka - Free
J Frimpong - £25m
Caciedo - £75m
A Rabiot - Free
J Maddison - £55m
R Hojlund - £65m
E Ferguson - £45m

Total cost is £350m and we sell the following 8 players B Williams, D Henderson, E Bailey, Teles, H Maguire, V Lindelof, Fred, A Elanga £110-120m.


This is what needs to be done but with the parasites clinging to power expect 1/3 of the Problems fixed and 2/3 of the problem players remaining.

Let’s be clear here De Gea needs to go and Maignan bought is becoming as important as the CFW.
 
What baffles me with De Gea the most is how a seasoned pro with over a decade at united has so little belief in himself. Almost like an 18 year old making his debut. He just doesn't have enough b**ls.
 
As we saw with Casemiro last summer, United can pay high transfer fees for players if it's in a position that urgently needs addressing. I would prioritise a CF and a GK ahead of any other position.

I'd say the Casemiro deal was most certainly completed due to the embarrassing Brighton and Brentford defeats to start the season with. It made Champions League qualification look even more difficult and hence paying the big fee was worth it to avoid losing additional funds with sponsorship next season.

The Glazers were happy to let us go into the season with a depleted squad. Their hand was forced. Assuming they are still here (which I believe is highly likely), I couldn't see them splashing out on the position and would probably put the majority of funds for Kane or Osimhen.
 
Its almost as if you made the thread to have a public lynching of De Gea, not an honest discussion.
Not going to lie I'm pretty angry after, another, shitty De Gea performance. But I'm here to discuss about it, for lynching there's twitter.
 
What baffles me with De Gea the most is how a seasoned pro with over a decade at united has so little belief in himself. Almost like an 18 year old making his debut. He just doesn't have enough b**ls.

I posted something similar before. I don't there has ever been a keeper at a big club for that long without being captain, he isn't even our 2nd captain ffs after 12 years at the club. It's another unique trait of the one and only David De Gea.
 
With our current owners, I say yes. We cannot start with the GK when we don't have an attack. Sancho, Martial, Wout are all dross. I don't think Antony is good enough for us to be a title contender either, but it's his first season and he has done better than the most of them at least. Also we need to strengthen in midfield.

Quality attackers cost money and wages.
 
So there are basically three positions here:

The ones that don't want us to renew him.

The ones that want us to renew him on low wages and keep him as a 2nd choice which is impossible, he won't accept that role and we'd be really stupid to pay the wages he's demanding to have him as a second choice.

And the ones that want to keep him because we don't have enough funds to cover all the holes in the squad.

For the ones claiming the 3rd choice we don't need big money to cover for De Gea. Of course ideally we should sign Maignan. But if no money there are good keepers available for low money. Short term fixes I mean Navas is in God damn forest we could get him, Sommer will be second choice after Neuer's return from injury he's another option.

It's not replacing a world-class keeper and needing another world class one. De Gea is below average, every stat shows it, so if we don't have the money to replace him for a world-class keeper this summer then get a stop gap and replace him next summer. Renewing De Gea would doom us to have him starting for another 4 years as he'll be unsellable, and it's only going to get worse as his reflexes will slow down as seasons go by.

This is our chance to get rid of him.
 
That's your opinion and that's fine. I rate the goalkeeper issue far higher due to the variety of issues I highlighted on the previous pages - equally upgrading the goalkeeper is nowhere near as expensive as people seem to think. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that selling Henderson could pay for a replacement goalkeeper.

For what it's worth my priority list would be as follows;
A- starting striker
B - starting goalkeeper
C- DM cover
D- third centre back
E- starting RB

I do too, even with Varane and Martinez playing we look so dodgy playing out from GK with teams pressing. And at least once each match DDG does his trademark pass out directly to one of the opposing central midfielders.
 
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