1000%You really think gk should be prioritised over improving on WW?
That’s one of the many reasons of why I want Jassim as an owner. Hopefully the process is finished sooner than later.Need Qatari money to get Costa/Maignan
Voted yes.
We can probably get a keeper who does the ‘newly fashionable’ keeper stuff.. but will we get a keeper who is 10% the shot stopper he is?
People forget the problem that City had with Bravo and he replaced an inferior keeper to DDG in Joe Hart.
Also Allison and Ederson are not in the same class as shot stopper as DDG. I think with Liverpool struggling we see how much these keepers need to be in a dominating team.
Voted yes.
We can probably get a keeper who does the ‘newly fashionable’ keeper stuff.. but will we get a keeper who is 10% the shot stopper he is?
People forget the problem that City had with Bravo and he replaced an inferior keeper to DDG in Joe Hart.
Also Allison and Ederson are not in the same class as shot stopper as DDG. I think with Liverpool struggling we see how much these keepers need to be in a dominating team.
Voted yes.
We can probably get a keeper who does the ‘newly fashionable’ keeper stuff.. but will we get a keeper who is 10% the shot stopper he is?
People forget the problem that City had with Bravo and he replaced an inferior keeper to DDG in Joe Hart.
Also Allison and Ederson are not in the same class as shot stopper as DDG. I think with Liverpool struggling we see how much these keepers need to be in a dominating team.
Stats prove that he's no a great shot stopper anymore. In fact he hasn't been for 5 seasons now. Yes he make that spectacular save here and there but overall he lets in more goals than the average keeper does.Voted yes.
We can probably get a keeper who does the ‘newly fashionable’ keeper stuff.. but will we get a keeper who is 10% the shot stopper he is?
People forget the problem that City had with Bravo and he replaced an inferior keeper to DDG in Joe Hart.
Also Allison and Ederson are not in the same class as shot stopper as DDG. I think with Liverpool struggling we see how much these keepers need to be in a dominating team.
Using psxG he's still won 2nd most points this year for his team through his shop stopping, only beaten by Leno.Stats prove that he's no a great shot stopper anymore. In fact he hasn't been for 5 seasons now. Yes he make that spectacular save here and there but overall he lets in more goals than the average keeper does.
We don't need a world-class keeper to improve on De Gea, any average keeper will and stats back that up.
Christ there really are some bullshit stats in football these daysUsing psxG he's still won 2nd most points this year for his team through his shop stopping, only beaten by Leno.
Nah, he's a great stopper, it's just when he's having a bad game it's usually really, really bad.Christ there really are some bullshit stats in football these days
We need proper scouting. We are always looking at a player after he has just signed up for another club.Need Qatari money to get Costa/Maignan
Think our scouting department have actually identified and recommended a number of good players over the years. But through incompetence of Woodward, Solskjaer, Phelan and other past managers the scouts have largely been ignored, and we've ended up massively overpaying for bad playersWe need proper scouting. We are always looking at a player after he has just signed up for another club.
Anyone with half decent football knowledge could have noticed Bruno Guimaraes and decided we needed someone like him but instead Newcastle signed him up. No one heard of Maignan till he signed for AC Milan for cheap. What do our scouts actually do?
You may well be right. I think the influence of selling clubs and agents pushing their wares onto those you name has been one of the main drivers of our transfer business.Think our scouting department have actually identified and recommended a number of good players over the years. But through incompetence of Woodward, Solskjaer, Phelan and other past managers the scouts have largely been ignored, and we've ended up massively overpaying for bad players
I’m not seeing any evidence of this actually. We are never linked with targets that are not well known. We always seem to run behind the biggest name or the ones under long contract. I don’t think the people signing checks love signing bigger checks just for the sake of it. It’s been a combination of blunders between idiotic managers who demand for certain players and stupid people with no knowledge of football giving into the whims of said managers.Think our scouting department have actually identified and recommended a number of good players over the years. But through incompetence of Woodward, Solskjaer, Phelan and other past managers the scouts have largely been ignored, and we've ended up massively overpaying for bad players
Where would the evidence come from though?I’m not seeing any evidence of this actually. We are never linked with targets that are not well known. We always seem to run behind the biggest name or the ones under long contract. I don’t think the people signing checks love signing bigger checks just for the sake of it. It’s been a combination of blunders between idiotic managers who demand for certain players and stupid people with no knowledge of football giving into the whims of said managers.
What stats? Surely you can post them.Stats prove that he's no a great shot stopper anymore. In fact he hasn't been for 5 seasons now. Yes he make that spectacular save here and there but overall he lets in more goals than the average keeper does.
We don't need a world-class keeper to improve on De Gea, any average keeper will and stats back that up.
Agreed.Emerson also doesn't have to play with an absolute shambles of a player in front of him. Alison this season has found out what it's like to play with such a player.
When people point towards a keeper who is better than De Gea, it's important to look at who plays ahead of that keeper and how the defensive unit, and also the midfield unit is performing.
When De Gea is behind our best defence and the protection of Casemiro, the difference is night and day compared to when he's behind Maguire. I've never seen an individual play bring the collective confidence of a team down as much as he does.
It's similar with VVD this season. Liverpool seem on edge whenever he's involved just as United do with Maguire and the goalkeepers are often the biggest casualties in this.
No they don’t. Stats don’t take into consideration things like the defense in front of them, playstyle and quality overall of the team.Stats prove that he's no a great shot stopper anymore. In fact he hasn't been for 5 seasons now. Yes he make that spectacular save here and there but overall he lets in more goals than the average keeper does.
We don't need a world-class keeper to improve on De Gea, any average keeper will and stats back that up.
No they don’t. Stats don’t take into consideration things like the defense in front of them, playstyle and quality overall of the team.
He has the most clean sheets this season. To me that sounds like with a good defense in front of him, he is doing fine.
To summarize: you are dead wrong.
if Manchester United don't have the budget for both, we might as well all go home (to only slightly misquote Bobby Charlton many years ago)I can understand that argument. I don't personally agree but i understand it. I'm not sure how anyone can argue improving ddg is more important than improving WW.
I don’t know if your post was directed at my post right above yours, but as I see it we have two GKs that can compete for being our future backup in De Gea and Henderson. Only one of them, Henderson, has the potential to fetch us some money that we can reinvest in a new nr.1 - so keeping De Gea on reduced wages both frees up funds but also eliminates the need for us to buy/sign TWO new goalkeepers this window.So those wanting him to renew on reduced wages would take comfort in the fact he's earning less money when he continues to cost us points and tournaments in the seasons to come? I don't get this logic, as it's blatantly obvious he'd not be second choice if he stays here.
Our current backup goalkeeper are Heaton and Butland and overall package for bringing in another backup would still be cheaper than extending De Gea even on lower wages .I don’t know if your post was directed at my post right above yours, but as I see it we have two GKs that can compete for being our future backup in De Gea and Henderson. Only one of them, Henderson, has the potential to fetch us some money that we can reinvest in a new nr.1 - so keeping De Gea on reduced wages both frees up funds but also eliminates the need for us to buy/sign TWO new goalkeepers this window.
Chelsea constantly sign young players on the cheap, farm them out on loans and make profits. They have done this for as long as I can remember. Real Madrid constantly sign young players from Brazil on the cheap(relative to what we spend). Manchester City have started signing youngsters constantly these days and seem to sell them on with buyback clauses. Arsenal in recent times signed Martinelli out of nowhere. Newcastle out of nowhere pulled off the signing of Bruno Guimaraes where they were in relegation battle. AC Milan signed Rafael leao, Mike Maignan. Inter seem to constantly sign talents out of nowhere. The list goes on and on in Europe.Where would the evidence come from though?
Surely most of the “links” come from selling clubs and players’ agents touting their wares? Why should a scout call a journalist and tell them what players they would like the club to sign?
Would you trust Heaton or Butland to be good enough options if injury occurs on De Gea though? I would say that even though De Gea is not good enough it will probably be a further drop off to Heaton/Butland.Our current backup goalkeeper are Heaton and Butland and overall package for bringing in another backup would still be cheaper than extending De Gea even on lower wages .
He wants at least 200k and that's simply madness to give in to.Yes but on severely reduced wages.
Chelsea constantly sign young players on the cheap, farm them out on loans and make profits. They have done this for as long as I can remember. Real Madrid constantly sign young players from Brazil on the cheap(relative to what we spend). Manchester City have started signing youngsters constantly these days and seem to sell them on with buyback clauses. Arsenal in recent times signed Martinelli out of nowhere. Newcastle out of nowhere pulled off the signing of Bruno Guimaraes where they were in relegation battle. AC Milan signed Rafael leao, Mike Maignan. Inter seem to constantly sign talents out of nowhere. The list goes on and on in Europe.
All these clubs have changed managers constantly too. It's clear that they all have a functioning scouting system that work in parallel and get players signed. When is the last time we pulled off such a signing? Martial was the last one and even for him we splurged so much money. Diallo is one we managed to sign that may turn out good. But for such a huge club as ourselves we don't seem to be proactive in making these kinds of transfers. It's always the biggest names or attempting to sign players everyone else wants to sign too.
