Should we renew De Gea's contract?

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You really think gk should be prioritised over improving on WW?
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WW doesn't have to play. Rashford could play CF and we could integrate Diallo into the squad. We have good options in attack even if it'd be ideal for us to bring in a CF. De Gea isn't a good option in goal, he's a complete liability.

We should be getting both and I think we will.
 
Voted yes.
We can probably get a keeper who does the ‘newly fashionable’ keeper stuff.. but will we get a keeper who is 10% the shot stopper he is?

People forget the problem that City had with Bravo and he replaced an inferior keeper to DDG in Joe Hart.

Also Allison and Ederson are not in the same class as shot stopper as DDG. I think with Liverpool struggling we see how much these keepers need to be in a dominating team.
 
Yeh we should. On a lower wage though.

He was dreadful against Sevilla but the whole team looks poor as soon as you put a certain individual in.
 
Voted yes.
We can probably get a keeper who does the ‘newly fashionable’ keeper stuff.. but will we get a keeper who is 10% the shot stopper he is?

People forget the problem that City had with Bravo and he replaced an inferior keeper to DDG in Joe Hart.

Also Allison and Ederson are not in the same class as shot stopper as DDG. I think with Liverpool struggling we see how much these keepers need to be in a dominating team.

Emerson also doesn't have to play with an absolute shambles of a player in front of him. Alison this season has found out what it's like to play with such a player.

When people point towards a keeper who is better than De Gea, it's important to look at who plays ahead of that keeper and how the defensive unit, and also the midfield unit is performing.

When De Gea is behind our best defence and the protection of Casemiro, the difference is night and day compared to when he's behind Maguire. I've never seen an individual play bring the collective confidence of a team down as much as he does.

It's similar with VVD this season. Liverpool seem on edge whenever he's involved just as United do with Maguire and the goalkeepers are often the biggest casualties in this.
 
Voted yes.
We can probably get a keeper who does the ‘newly fashionable’ keeper stuff.. but will we get a keeper who is 10% the shot stopper he is?

People forget the problem that City had with Bravo and he replaced an inferior keeper to DDG in Joe Hart.

Also Allison and Ederson are not in the same class as shot stopper as DDG. I think with Liverpool struggling we see how much these keepers need to be in a dominating team.

It's also very hard to dominate as a team these days if your keeper isn't comfortable in possession. De Gea must be one if the worst in the league with the ball at his feet and his shot stopping is required more than it should be because he has no command over his area when it comes to set pieces.

Obviously, a keeper who can play a bit won't be enough to help a team dominate by themselves, but, with so many teams pressing from the front these days, it really helps.
 
Voted yes.
We can probably get a keeper who does the ‘newly fashionable’ keeper stuff.. but will we get a keeper who is 10% the shot stopper he is?

People forget the problem that City had with Bravo and he replaced an inferior keeper to DDG in Joe Hart.

Also Allison and Ederson are not in the same class as shot stopper as DDG. I think with Liverpool struggling we see how much these keepers need to be in a dominating team.

Another one still living in 2018, and the newly fashional keeper stuff like claiming a cross which has been part of the job description for a keeper since the beginning.
 
Voted yes.
We can probably get a keeper who does the ‘newly fashionable’ keeper stuff.. but will we get a keeper who is 10% the shot stopper he is?

People forget the problem that City had with Bravo and he replaced an inferior keeper to DDG in Joe Hart.

Also Allison and Ederson are not in the same class as shot stopper as DDG. I think with Liverpool struggling we see how much these keepers need to be in a dominating team.
Stats prove that he's no a great shot stopper anymore. In fact he hasn't been for 5 seasons now. Yes he make that spectacular save here and there but overall he lets in more goals than the average keeper does.

We don't need a world-class keeper to improve on De Gea, any average keeper will and stats back that up.
 
I’d let De Gea go which frees up £375K a week and also sell Henderson which could bring in £15-£20 million plus another £100K a week in wages also saved which is a fecking lot of money saved/made, it’s mental how much we probably pay out weekly on keepers alone.

Looking just in the PL there’s obviously Raya who’s pretty certain to be moved on this summer as he has refused a new contract, Sanchez at Brighton is now second choice and Meslier will definitely leave should Leeds go down.

Looking abroad there’s Bounou at Sevilla, the Valencia keeper and the Croatian international keeper that have all looked really good good when I’ve seen them play and are all more suited to ETH’s way of playing than anything we have.
 
Stats prove that he's no a great shot stopper anymore. In fact he hasn't been for 5 seasons now. Yes he make that spectacular save here and there but overall he lets in more goals than the average keeper does.

We don't need a world-class keeper to improve on De Gea, any average keeper will and stats back that up.
Using psxG he's still won 2nd most points this year for his team through his shop stopping, only beaten by Leno.
 
The defence in front of him makes a huge difference.

There's no surprise he looks shakier when Martinez and Varane aren't there.
 
Need Qatari money to get Costa/Maignan
We need proper scouting. We are always looking at a player after he has just signed up for another club.

Anyone with half decent football knowledge could have noticed Bruno Guimaraes and decided we needed someone like him but instead Newcastle signed him up. No one heard of Maignan till he signed for AC Milan for cheap. What do our scouts actually do?
 
We need proper scouting. We are always looking at a player after he has just signed up for another club.

Anyone with half decent football knowledge could have noticed Bruno Guimaraes and decided we needed someone like him but instead Newcastle signed him up. No one heard of Maignan till he signed for AC Milan for cheap. What do our scouts actually do?
Think our scouting department have actually identified and recommended a number of good players over the years. But through incompetence of Woodward, Solskjaer, Phelan and other past managers the scouts have largely been ignored, and we've ended up massively overpaying for bad players
 
Think our scouting department have actually identified and recommended a number of good players over the years. But through incompetence of Woodward, Solskjaer, Phelan and other past managers the scouts have largely been ignored, and we've ended up massively overpaying for bad players
You may well be right. I think the influence of selling clubs and agents pushing their wares onto those you name has been one of the main drivers of our transfer business.
 
Think our scouting department have actually identified and recommended a number of good players over the years. But through incompetence of Woodward, Solskjaer, Phelan and other past managers the scouts have largely been ignored, and we've ended up massively overpaying for bad players
I’m not seeing any evidence of this actually. We are never linked with targets that are not well known. We always seem to run behind the biggest name or the ones under long contract. I don’t think the people signing checks love signing bigger checks just for the sake of it. It’s been a combination of blunders between idiotic managers who demand for certain players and stupid people with no knowledge of football giving into the whims of said managers.
 
Renew for 2 years while planning to get a replacement. It'll be hard next summer considering we have more important positions like the striker and the midfield. Let him stay for now till we make a succession plan. Just don't renew it for 4-5 years for a giga salary like we always, stupidly, do.
 
I’m not seeing any evidence of this actually. We are never linked with targets that are not well known. We always seem to run behind the biggest name or the ones under long contract. I don’t think the people signing checks love signing bigger checks just for the sake of it. It’s been a combination of blunders between idiotic managers who demand for certain players and stupid people with no knowledge of football giving into the whims of said managers.
Where would the evidence come from though?

Surely most of the “links” come from selling clubs and players’ agents touting their wares? Why should a scout call a journalist and tell them what players they would like the club to sign?
 
Should get rid, it's sensible thing to do, he hasn't been good for 3-4 years straight now and won't suddenly get better at the areas he's never been comfortable with.
But we all know club's incompetent so new contract is coming, after Sevilla disaster class. Sigh..
 
Stats prove that he's no a great shot stopper anymore. In fact he hasn't been for 5 seasons now. Yes he make that spectacular save here and there but overall he lets in more goals than the average keeper does.

We don't need a world-class keeper to improve on De Gea, any average keeper will and stats back that up.
What stats? Surely you can post them.
 
Emerson also doesn't have to play with an absolute shambles of a player in front of him. Alison this season has found out what it's like to play with such a player.

When people point towards a keeper who is better than De Gea, it's important to look at who plays ahead of that keeper and how the defensive unit, and also the midfield unit is performing.

When De Gea is behind our best defence and the protection of Casemiro, the difference is night and day compared to when he's behind Maguire. I've never seen an individual play bring the collective confidence of a team down as much as he does.

It's similar with VVD this season. Liverpool seem on edge whenever he's involved just as United do with Maguire and the goalkeepers are often the biggest casualties in this.
Agreed.
 
If he gets renewed, it's just a shocking decision. Ten Hag needs to push for a GK that suits his ideals.
 
Stats prove that he's no a great shot stopper anymore. In fact he hasn't been for 5 seasons now. Yes he make that spectacular save here and there but overall he lets in more goals than the average keeper does.

We don't need a world-class keeper to improve on De Gea, any average keeper will and stats back that up.
No they don’t. Stats don’t take into consideration things like the defense in front of them, playstyle and quality overall of the team.

He has the most clean sheets this season. To me that sounds like with a good defense in front of him, he is doing fine.

To summarize: you are dead wrong.
 
No they don’t. Stats don’t take into consideration things like the defense in front of them, playstyle and quality overall of the team.

He has the most clean sheets this season. To me that sounds like with a good defense in front of him, he is doing fine.

To summarize: you are dead wrong.

No, it says that a manager changed his own tactics and style and shaped his own team to cover his keeper's weaknesses. Ten Hag went from wanting a team to play on the front foot to having the deepest defensive line in the league.

And De Gea keeps folding under pressure. How many keepers this season have conceded 13 goals in two games against their team's biggest rivals? Who else made 2 or 3 howlers to help knock his own team out of Europe?
 
I can understand that argument. I don't personally agree but i understand it. I'm not sure how anyone can argue improving ddg is more important than improving WW.
if Manchester United don't have the budget for both, we might as well all go home (to only slightly misquote Bobby Charlton many years ago)
 
Been a great servant to the club and if this is the end of his time here he deserves a proper and respectful send off after his last game. That said I’m hoping that he’s willing and motivated to stick around to provide backup and competition for our new GK.
I’m struggling to see who, if anyone, will pay him as much as we do even if we half his wages. I’m hoping we do offer him around half his current wages for a couple of more seasons, but that we also include a “gentleman agreement” that he can leave for a reasonable fee if any Spanish club or club of his choice outside of England attracts him.
 
So those wanting him to renew on reduced wages would take comfort in the fact he's earning less money when he continues to cost us points and tournaments in the seasons to come? I don't get this logic, as it's blatantly obvious he'd not be second choice if he stays here.
 
So those wanting him to renew on reduced wages would take comfort in the fact he's earning less money when he continues to cost us points and tournaments in the seasons to come? I don't get this logic, as it's blatantly obvious he'd not be second choice if he stays here.
I don’t know if your post was directed at my post right above yours, but as I see it we have two GKs that can compete for being our future backup in De Gea and Henderson. Only one of them, Henderson, has the potential to fetch us some money that we can reinvest in a new nr.1 - so keeping De Gea on reduced wages both frees up funds but also eliminates the need for us to buy/sign TWO new goalkeepers this window.
 
Voted no. Very good shot stopper but I would like a more commanding GK, ideally one who's composed on the ball too.
 
I don’t know if your post was directed at my post right above yours, but as I see it we have two GKs that can compete for being our future backup in De Gea and Henderson. Only one of them, Henderson, has the potential to fetch us some money that we can reinvest in a new nr.1 - so keeping De Gea on reduced wages both frees up funds but also eliminates the need for us to buy/sign TWO new goalkeepers this window.
Our current backup goalkeeper are Heaton and Butland and overall package for bringing in another backup would still be cheaper than extending De Gea even on lower wages .
 
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Where would the evidence come from though?

Surely most of the “links” come from selling clubs and players’ agents touting their wares? Why should a scout call a journalist and tell them what players they would like the club to sign?
Chelsea constantly sign young players on the cheap, farm them out on loans and make profits. They have done this for as long as I can remember. Real Madrid constantly sign young players from Brazil on the cheap(relative to what we spend). Manchester City have started signing youngsters constantly these days and seem to sell them on with buyback clauses. Arsenal in recent times signed Martinelli out of nowhere. Newcastle out of nowhere pulled off the signing of Bruno Guimaraes where they were in relegation battle. AC Milan signed Rafael leao, Mike Maignan. Inter seem to constantly sign talents out of nowhere. The list goes on and on in Europe.

All these clubs have changed managers constantly too. It's clear that they all have a functioning scouting system that work in parallel and get players signed. When is the last time we pulled off such a signing? Martial was the last one and even for him we splurged so much money. Diallo is one we managed to sign that may turn out good. But for such a huge club as ourselves we don't seem to be proactive in making these kinds of transfers. It's always the biggest names or attempting to sign players everyone else wants to sign too.
 
I think people who want him to stay are stuck in the past or are afraid to change, they just don't accept he's just not as good as they think he is. There's plenty of other options out there that could do equally as well or better, Henderson had a brief spell and already proved this to be the case.

Good shot stopper or not, his limitations have been brutally exposed in many matches this season, he looked comfortable against Forrest because they didn't press him, a week before Newcastle pressed and it worked for them. Even the Liverpool game, just look at the setups from the early goal kicks, it was clear ETH knew that DDG wasn't able to play through the press he basically had Martinez holding his hand. But even that didn't work. Sevilla did it too and he shits himself every time this happens.

Now that doesn't include his total lack of presence around the box, his weak aerial abiltiy, he's also not a vocal player which severley impacts his abiltiy to organise and control his defence.

I just can't see any positives to his game or any positives to keeping him, part of being a successful manager is knowing when a players time is up and they need to be moved on. Bigger and better players than him have been moved on unceremoniously, there's just no room for sentimentality at the top of the game.
 
Still don't understand why people are making excuses for the guy, he is soft and his weaknesses have been exposed. This team needs a new more complete keeper.
 
I'd let him go and give Henderson a go if nothing else.

Just do something different instead of persisting with the ever present in all of our worst results.
 
Our current backup goalkeeper are Heaton and Butland and overall package for bringing in another backup would still be cheaper than extending De Gea even on lower wages .
Would you trust Heaton or Butland to be good enough options if injury occurs on De Gea though? I would say that even though De Gea is not good enough it will probably be a further drop off to Heaton/Butland.

Out of curiosity, who can we sign as an adequate backup for next season that’s cheaper than De Gea on halved wages?
 
Chelsea constantly sign young players on the cheap, farm them out on loans and make profits. They have done this for as long as I can remember. Real Madrid constantly sign young players from Brazil on the cheap(relative to what we spend). Manchester City have started signing youngsters constantly these days and seem to sell them on with buyback clauses. Arsenal in recent times signed Martinelli out of nowhere. Newcastle out of nowhere pulled off the signing of Bruno Guimaraes where they were in relegation battle. AC Milan signed Rafael leao, Mike Maignan. Inter seem to constantly sign talents out of nowhere. The list goes on and on in Europe.

All these clubs have changed managers constantly too. It's clear that they all have a functioning scouting system that work in parallel and get players signed. When is the last time we pulled off such a signing? Martial was the last one and even for him we splurged so much money. Diallo is one we managed to sign that may turn out good. But for such a huge club as ourselves we don't seem to be proactive in making these kinds of transfers. It's always the biggest names or attempting to sign players everyone else wants to sign too.

Chicarito? The last one that worked anyway.

People seem to have this idea that if signings are to work, they have to or are going to cost huge money.

Evra - 5.5m
Vidic - 10m

Around that same time or before it - Boulahrouz went to Chelsea for 13m, Robert Huth went to Boro for 8m. Zokora and Chimbonda went to Spuds for 10 and 12m.

It's all about identifying the right players that suit the team style, not many could have seen Robertson or Wijnaldum going from relegated sides to key cogs in Klopp's Liverpool team.

I could care less if Utd end up signing a keeper for 5m from the Danish league or wherever, as long as he is suited to the team style and if one like that comes in and does more than DDG all round then anything is a plus. The one thing I don't want to see is this fraud getting paid 200k a weak and not even being worth a quarter of that.
 
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