Its almost as if you made the thread to have a public lynching of De Gea, not an honest discussion.
Should we renew De Gea's contract?
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Its almost as if you made the thread to have a public lynching of De Gea, not an honest discussion.
Mental that folk like you actually still exist.
On what planet can one watch Manchester United every week and not see that De Gea is a pressing issue?
It was only the weekend just gone that this clown nearly conceded from two corners and looked fecking terrified every time a ball went into the box. Every. Single. Week.
It was only the weekend just gone that this clown nearly conceded from two corners and looked fecking terrified every time a ball went into the box. Every. Single. Week.
From all the noise I've seen it looks like this is agreed and just needs signing. I highly doubt the club go back on it now, but he'll have to know he will be number 2 next season.
I don't know why the back up gk are never played in general.
Imagine calling someone who has spent 12 years here and generally has been very good for us, a clown
Imagine calling someone who has spent 12 years here and generally has been very good for us, a clown
Ay, imagine. He’s a clown and needs fired out of a cannon. Accept it.
No going to happen because Henderson is seen as the literal antichrist
Henderson is my number one for next season.
He was better than DDG in the short period he took over, and we have other priorities to spend on.
He was better than DDG in the short period he took over, and we have other priorities to spend on.
1. He’s not going to get anything like the wages he gets/wants from us anywhere else. Not after last night, anyway.
2. I don’t see him being first choice for a top club.
3.If we offer him £75k p/w to sit on our bench for a couple more years, he should be grateful.
2. I don’t see him being first choice for a top club.
3.If we offer him £75k p/w to sit on our bench for a couple more years, he should be grateful.
Henderson isn't good enough, is so poor on the ball that even Forest fans regularly criticise him for it and appears to be a massive bell-end on top of that.
If we're going to replace De Gea then stop dicking around and do it properly. Not with someone who would also definitely be one of our main weaknesses next season.
If we're going to replace De Gea then stop dicking around and do it properly. Not with someone who would also definitely be one of our main weaknesses next season.
After last night’s debacle he’s only getting a bumper pay packet in somewhere like Saudi but our current situation means we can’t guarantee we can get in a decent goalkeeper to replace him, this really continues to be a marriage neither party wants to be in.
Time to be ruthless and let him go, his elite shot stopping used to cover up the limitations in his game but he hasn't even got that now.
Even if he accepts a reduced £200k a week its because no one else would be crazy enough to pay him that much let alone the £375k he's on now
Even if he accepts a reduced £200k a week its because no one else would be crazy enough to pay him that much let alone the £375k he's on now
Can we still trigger his option? We need to do that, because if not we have to offer him a new contract. Letting him go this summer is not an option.
We know from replacing Schmeichel how difficult it can be to replace a keeper so we need at least a season to bed a new one in.
We know from replacing Schmeichel how difficult it can be to replace a keeper so we need at least a season to bed a new one in.
If he accepts number 2 and reduced wages, I have no issue with him staying. A young goalkeeper might need time to settle in and we need a lot more signings. GK is third highest priority for me after striker and midfielder.
But he needs to accept that his time here is limited now and he isn't good enough anymore. If that's not possible just get rid, that at least forces us to sign a new GK.
But he needs to accept that his time here is limited now and he isn't good enough anymore. If that's not possible just get rid, that at least forces us to sign a new GK.
You fix the first team first and whilst yes DDG performs overall better than Maguire and Sancho he plays the most amount of games and because of that he is a high priority.
Liverpool done it after their keeper cost them a Champions League final and it allowed them to do even better the next season.
We need to do the same and make 4 big signings.
New First team Keeper.
New First team Right Back
New First team Centre Midfielder
New First team Striker.
Then you just hope we can sell to buy 1 or two squad fillers. I.e CB and additional CM.
I simply don't think that the GK is no 1 priority. We still hold the highest no of clean sheets in the EPL. Sure we rely heavily on defence for that. However while DDG can perform significantly better when playing alongside the likes of Varane, Martinez and probably Timber as opposed to Maguire can the same be said about Maguire? Would he be able to do well in a high line defence if he had a ball playing goalkeeper instead of DDG? Cause I can still see him messing up due to his lack of pace and awareness. He'd still ask Goalkeepers for the ball and being the senior CB he is (and captain) he would still be listened to.
I'd say let's get rid of those who had become a meme at this club. I am referring to the likes of Martial, Jones, Maguire and Sancho. Then once the standard had been raised then we can tackle those who had been meah ie the likes of AWB, DDG and co. Of course my argument changes completely if DDG refuse to take a significant pay cut.
Absolutely fecking not.
I blatantly said I’m focused on the first team. Maguire the problem has been removed as he is our bench player. DDG the problem hasn’t as he is our first team keeper. So it’s a priority. I don’t care how many clean sheets he has. If we play better football we concede less goals. It’s like CR7 in reverse. We need to stop accommodating blatant flaws that stop us from being a top level team.
When the first team is there DDG cannot help us beat the first press as his passing is poor. That needs to be addressed like not having a goalscorer needs to be addressed.
Extending his contract will do nothing but demonstrate how poorly this club is run. I genuinely can't think of one good reason to do that.
Why would anyone vote yes? Yes he has been a good servant to the club, saved us from losing in a lot of games etc
But, he will NEVER be capable to fit EtH's style of play. Short sighted fans will vote yes, but we have to look at the long term now. He needs to go, simple.
But, he will NEVER be capable to fit EtH's style of play. Short sighted fans will vote yes, but we have to look at the long term now. He needs to go, simple.
I love DeGea, his shot stopping is second to none.. But his mistakes last night cost us in yet another European game. his ball distribution isnt up to scratch
I think if we can secure a really good replacement (Raya maybe) , DeGea could be a gonner.. last night may have made up a few minds
I think if we can secure a really good replacement (Raya maybe) , DeGea could be a gonner.. last night may have made up a few minds
Up to Ten Hag
You mean folk that understand we can't spend £400-500m this summer and sign 7-8 top players?
So do you think we need a top centre forward and probably a back up? £100-150m+
Do we not need a top midfielder to play the role Eriksen's played this season and a back-up for Casemiro? £100-150m+
And we could definitely do with a top RB and 1 or 2 capable centres backs as back up to Varane and Martinez yes? £100m+
There's only so much money to go around.
How much would a top GK to replace DeGea cost?
I doubt anyone doesn't see the problems with DeGea but from 3 centre forwards this season we have about 10 goals from 50+ games. That's why we're no where near challenging for the league.
Everytime Casemiro is missing we look much weaker and more vulnerable as a team ditto Varane/Martinez.
Replacing DeGea is something we need to do but there's a limited transfer budget and only so many players you can sign in one transfer window and there are more pressing issues with this team.
If this was posted before Seville idve said renew. But last night was horrific, I don't even want him as back up. Fans have had it for years now bur there has to be a limit to what EtH will put up with surely. Him and Maguire need to go. Refusing to renew, just like how Ronaldo was handled, will show that EtH really is in charge and not those who balance the bank books.
(Though I have a feeling the renewal is already done)
(Though I have a feeling the renewal is already done)
I disagree. DDG has his flaws (which had always been there btw) but can be useful in ETH system assuming that he's played with the right players. Maguire simply can't play in ETH's system and with Varane being so injury prone we'll need to rely on our reserve CB more then we would in normal circumstances.
You keep bringing up Maguire. It’s not a Maguire debate. He’s crap I agree with you. What I don’t understand is why you think DDG can just get away with being poor on the ball. Not commanding of his area, afraid to leave his 6 yard box (which yesterday we probably don’t want him to ever do it again) is manageable.
It just isn’t Devlish. You know this but again we like to make our decisions based on personal preference and sentiment.
No! How can we possibly expect to ever get back to the top when we tolerate mediocre players?
I hear you and I think that DDG should be phased out. However Rome wasn't build in a day and therefore we need to pick our priorities carefully. Now DDG had shown that he can fit in ETH's system as long as our defence has CBs with actual brains. The same can't be said with Maguire who is horrible no matter what. I'd rather retain DDG, sell Maguire and bring in someone like Timber. After all Varane is a ticking time bomb and the last thing we need is for him to pick a long term injury and for us being forced to play Maguire week in week out.
Whether he stays or goes it’s imperative that another top keeper is recruited this summer and it can’t be some veteran or second rate one. Probably second in priority with only CF more important.
I'm not being funny, but talk about an agenda driven poll. So on the back of his worse game all season when he's been brilliant for most of the season this poll appears. He's currently in line to win the golden gloves and he's been our best player since Ferguson retired and a portion of our fan base sh*t all over him. Good lads keep it up
I'm assuming the 10.5% are the "he's better than Schmeichel and VdS" squad.
Unfortunately it depends on whether the club can secure a replacement. Henderson has burned his bridges and Butland is on loan - it would be ridiculous to go into next season with Heaton as number one.
I'm still leaning towards a short extension on lower terms to focus on more pressing concerns (striker, midfielder) but not entirely sure anymore. He has some glaring faults but it still wouldn't be cheap to find a better keeper.
It’s time to go. Shake his hand and thank our record holding goalkeeper for 11 years of service, and let his deal lapse. At least we won’t have to feck him off into the reserves or drop him/farm him out on loan like Casillas or Joe Hart etc.
It makes sense to release him this summer. He doesn’t come for crosses, can’t use his feet, and his shot stopping isn’t even what it used to be. There’s still flashes of the De Gea of old occasionally but it isn’t enough. A new keeper has to be the priority.
It makes sense to release him this summer. He doesn’t come for crosses, can’t use his feet, and his shot stopping isn’t even what it used to be. There’s still flashes of the De Gea of old occasionally but it isn’t enough. A new keeper has to be the priority.
I agree about Rashford, just wanted to say there is more material to work with than DDG whose room for improvement doesn't exist.
Rashford is still this flawed player with selfish tendencies when the going gets tough.
No shouldn’t get a new contract but we have so many players not fit for purpose, struggle or refuse to let go of players and struggle with recruitment so going to have to compromise somewhere.
Henderson isn’t the answer either, he needs to go whilst we can get decent money for him.
Henderson isn’t the answer either, he needs to go whilst we can get decent money for him.
I'm in the 10.5% and I certainly don't think DDG is as good as those 2. So your just making up crap because someone has a difference of opinion.
Look I'm not saying DDG is the long term answer, but I try to look beyond the end of my nose and try to see the full picture.
Do we have the money to go out and get a £100m+ striker,a £40-60m backup striker, a £60-80m midfielder, a £30m - 50m+ young cb, A RB and a 1st team Keeper which can Range from £40m - 80m depends on who it is.
We do not have those type of funds and the way I see it, DDG can go another season as our first team and if we get the outfield targets we'll be much better, whereas if we say use the budget on a GK instead of a CB, next season we could end up again like this season with Maguire and Lindelof as our back line and no matter who the keeper is, we are going to struggle.
The one season both De Gea and Henderson played a decent amount for us, Henderson was comfortably better both on the individual level and for the team as our entire defence instantly looked more solid than it had for years. De Gea has improved a bit on the individual level since then (more an indication of how bad he was that season rather than actually being good now), but I expect Henderson would still be better for the team as a whole. He's not even particularly good, but De Gea just creates shakiness throughout our entire defensive unit on top of his poor distribution hurting our possession game (Henderson isn't much better at the latter though to be fair).
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