No, the reflex saves only he is capable of no longer compensate for his weakness on crosses, inability to command his area and the now frequent errors costing us games. We'd be better off with a more reliable keeper who's decent with his feet.
Should we renew De Gea's contract?
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My argument is very simple. We can't expect players to change. It does happen sometimes (ex Rashy) but its extremely rare. Thus if we give the likes of DDG a new contract then we embrace his weaknesses just as we have to embrace the fact that Sancho vanishes throughout the game, Maguire is slow and has the same football awareness of a goal post etc. Alternatively we let these players go. Which is, in my opinion, the best option.
Of course not
I don't understand why people say we have bigger problems with the squad that need addressed.
Goalkeeping is the one position where you have to absolutely get it right as every mistake or moment of hesitancy will mostly like result in a goal conceded every single time.
Look at the difference Alisson made to Liverpool when he joined them or Ederson at City. Both sides immediately went up a gear.
Goalkeeping is the one position where you have to absolutely get it right as every mistake or moment of hesitancy will mostly like result in a goal conceded every single time.
Look at the difference Alisson made to Liverpool when he joined them or Ederson at City. Both sides immediately went up a gear.
You can expect them to change if they're young enough and malleable enough. Your example of Rashford isn't adequate IMHO, De Gea is closer to the end than the beginning so yeah what we see is what we'll get always get at best. He's only gonna get worse
It’s time to go and it just become painful to watch now. I could almost live with the sub-par distribution, his lack of authority and communication and his inability to command his area if he had a stronger mentality and didn’t wilt on the big stage.
It was a concern when he first joined as a kid and despite some stellar years in between he still shows the same weakness. He seems to save his worst performances for cup competitions. The game today was reminiscent of his performance against Chelsea in the 2020 FA Cup semi-final. One mistake following another.
I thought his time was up back then and he has probably only survived due to us thinking we could replace him internally with Henderson which has not transpired.
Diogo Costa has a release clause. He has elite distribution, a knack for saving penalties and, from what I’ve seen, a very solid game outside of those two qualities. Please let United be decisive.
It was a concern when he first joined as a kid and despite some stellar years in between he still shows the same weakness. He seems to save his worst performances for cup competitions. The game today was reminiscent of his performance against Chelsea in the 2020 FA Cup semi-final. One mistake following another.
I thought his time was up back then and he has probably only survived due to us thinking we could replace him internally with Henderson which has not transpired.
Diogo Costa has a release clause. He has elite distribution, a knack for saving penalties and, from what I’ve seen, a very solid game outside of those two qualities. Please let United be decisive.
Thought he should have moved on a few years ago.
Renew? We lost an important European game because of him for third time in the last 3 years! If anything we should sue him for the lost profits and make him sit in our bench for free.
And people call him legend. He has been for 12 years here, and the last 5 he has just been taking the piss.
And people call him legend. He has been for 12 years here, and the last 5 he has just been taking the piss.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: De Gea is the biggest culprit for our absolute loser mentality within the squad. Your GK cannot crumble under pressure.
If SAF was still the manager, he’d have been gone in 2019. The man has cost us so many cups with direct errors, not to mention his poor technical skills.
Half of his wonder saves are from when he allows the ball into the box when any decent GK would have claimed the cross / corner in the first place.
If SAF was still the manager, he’d have been gone in 2019. The man has cost us so many cups with direct errors, not to mention his poor technical skills.
Half of his wonder saves are from when he allows the ball into the box when any decent GK would have claimed the cross / corner in the first place.
The worrying part for me is that the latest news says he’s due to renew at any point.
i know you can’t base a renewal on one game alone, but surely a conversation needs to be had at the top after this. We can’t have another season of errors like this, reward a player and end up replacing him and being left with a dud sitting on the bench on £200k, unable to sell or loan out but payhalf his salary.
i know you can’t base a renewal on one game alone, but surely a conversation needs to be had at the top after this. We can’t have another season of errors like this, reward a player and end up replacing him and being left with a dud sitting on the bench on £200k, unable to sell or loan out but payhalf his salary.
No. Maddening decision is we do.
There is this notion that ETH was able to transform Rashford from a clueless player whose career was caught in a downward spiral to a WC one. It doesn't work like that. Rashford was always a good player with the right attitude. His drop of form was due to him being mismanaged by an amateur manager who ran him to the ground despite him being injured. What ETH has done was giving him the time to heal while hoping that the damage caused by Ole wasn't permanent. Then Rashford was given proper training and proper tactics that allowed him to shine.
Proper coaching if met with the right attitude can improve some aspects of a player's game. For example it cut Gaz's eagerness to go for the tackle and it transformed Ronaldo from a selfish player who used to use his incredible skills to dribble himself into a corner into a selfish player who used his incredible skills to score goals. However there's a limit to what it can do especially with old dogs like Maguire and DDG. No amount of training will turn DDG into a vocal leader at the back who will dominate his box and who would deliver sniper like passes. Now we have to accept the fact that its impossible to replace 7-9 players at one go which means that some of these players will still be around next season. However we must also accept that those staying will still have the weaknesses and flaws we hate.
Honestly after a good (actually horrible) night of sleep I came to a conclusion that while DDG needs phasing out there are far more pressing issues in the team then him. We need 2 strikers (Martial is useless), Sancho and Maguire needs to feck off, we need a DM and a deep lying playmaker to give Casemiro and Eriksen a break. Now if DDG insist on retaining that silly salary of his then he can feck off. If not then he can stay.
Another player we've held on to for far too long on ridiculous wages.
We need to prioritise upgrading our first eleven before going for back ups so a striker, CM, RB and goalkeeper should be targeted, only then you should think about adding backup striker , Backup for Casemiro and so forth .
Pretty much this.
I remember when Roy Carroll and Tim Howard were starting for us in those mid 2000s transition days, and we looked shaky all the time.
Then VDS came in and suddenly everything looked much more assured back there.
I wouldn't play him again, let alone renew his contract. Been a huge part of the problem for some time now, however much his apologists try to pretend otherwise. Sometimes, he doesn't even look as if he cares. There are so many better options out there and, yes, I'd even include henderson in that.
I'd pick Jack Butland for Sunday
I'd pick Jack Butland for Sunday
But they are not better options, that's the problem. To me it's pretty simple - if we have money for a new keeper, we should not extend De Gea's contract. If we have no plans of replacing him and will be left with Henderson + Butland then feck me, that's not an option.
Rome isn't built in one day so we would still have players in the team that we don't like. Its all about priorities.
Casemiro and Eriksen are 31 years old. They can't be run to the ground the way we're doing right now. We won't be able to win anything if we have to rely on the likes of McT, Sancho and Weghorst whenever Casemiro, Eriksen, Rashford and the new striker need a rest.
On the other hand DDG is still an excellent shot stopper and Henderson is still on our payroll. Its hardly ideal but they are still decent players. The same with the RB. AWB and Dalot are hardly Zanetti but they do the job at least for next season.
I’d definitely give Butland a chance before the end of the season. What was the point in signing him otherwise? And how bad could he be? DDG has definitely done enough to get himself dropped.
Think the options need to be more than yea and no. It isn't that simple
There are many options - hell, Pickford would be an upgrade on the form DDG has showed this season. Martinez is one, and although, I'm not huge fans, both Sanchez and Raya would be upgrades. things are so bad, even Frazer Forster would be a better bet. DDG is at the stage with us that CIty were in with that clown Joe Hart.
That's before we even look to Europe (Oblak and Onana, although again there are probably better than that) and beyond but I was especially pissed off that we didn't even consider nick pope in the summer: he's improved newcastle immensely as ramsdale has at arsenal
there should be no "yes" option! just "no" and "f@ck no"
I see a few more have said "yes". Does DDG have children old enough to on the caf? 
Put it this way, if we let him go there won't be another big club with aspirations of winning something next year that signs him. That should answer your question.
We shouldn't, but I bet we do.
We aren't winning anything major with DDG in goal either you can quote me on that and Eriksen shouldn't even be starter next season either with new CM coming in , Rashford back up would be Garnacho and Rashford himself would fill in for New Striker when needed .
And if we are retaining Henderson then there is no need to extend De Gea's contract and myth about his great shot stopping needs to to die .
No, but it seems very likely we will. We need to move on and start a fresh in that position.
Wheres the money coming from to replace him would be my pickI see a few more have said "yes". Does DDG have children old enough to on the caf?
As I said, if we can replace him I am all for letting him go. And by replace I mean someone actually good, not fecking Forster.
Henderson could be sold for 20m or so plus the savings on De Gea's wages should be enough to bring in decent keeper .
And if that is too much work for United's Management then just give it to Henderson for a season after releasing De Gea he can't be any worse than Calamity Dave .
Well need to spend 150 mil on a striker and midfielder and I bet eth knows that which is why they are looking to renew
DDG is in decline but he is a good shot stopper and had served us relatively well this season. We're not talking about Sancho/Maguire/Weghorst level of shittiness or Martial's unavailability here. The same can be said about Dalot/AWB who are hardly spectacular but still better then the likes of Sancho, Maguire, Weghorst, Martial and co. Regarding Henderson we've yet to see anything that remotely justify him being a United level of GK either. The guy had hardly made Nottingham Forest No 1 role for himself.
In my opinion our priorities should be
a- 2 strikers. Martial is always injured and this team is starving for goals
b- deep lying playmaker. Eriksen is 31 and we all know that he has health issues. Honestly I am terrified of us playing him week in week out football
c-CB. Varane is injury prone and our cover is Lindelof and Maguire.
d- DM. We have no DM apart from Casemiro whose 31.
That's 5 players. Now if we can squeeze a GK or/and a RB then great. I doubt it though.
Not a chance we should be renewing but it sounds like it's already a done deal.
I'll give Ten Hag the benefit of the doubt that he's not that stupid, so otherwise it's an indication of how tight funds are going to be for the summer.
I'll give Ten Hag the benefit of the doubt that he's not that stupid, so otherwise it's an indication of how tight funds are going to be for the summer.
Its time to cut de gea.....
If it was a contract of 20k a week I'd say yes, but rumours of 200k are just laughable
Giving him a new contract would be disastrous, regardless of the terms. Our expectations for next season are to be challenging for every competition we're in - that isn't happening with a keeper like De Gea.
I've defended DdG a lot and I would like him to be here for the next goalie to have someone to fall back on but at this point, it's 100k or go.
If you want to sack off Maguire, Dave needs to follow.
If you want to sack off Maguire, Dave needs to follow.
You see the difference Alisson made to Liverpool compared to their previous goalies in Karius and Mignolet. If we want to reach the next level, we need our Alisson.
De Gea’s problems are two fold in my opinion.
The first being that he’s such a weak goalkeeper. On crosses, corners etc he’s just so damn weak and doesn’t handle them well at all. This has always been an issue with his game.
The second is that he’s not good on the ball. He’s no sweeper, his passes aren’t very good. This has become more of an issue in the last few years when this has become more and more important to having a proper team.
These two areas cannot be offset by him being a good shot stopper.
The first being that he’s such a weak goalkeeper. On crosses, corners etc he’s just so damn weak and doesn’t handle them well at all. This has always been an issue with his game.
The second is that he’s not good on the ball. He’s no sweeper, his passes aren’t very good. This has become more of an issue in the last few years when this has become more and more important to having a proper team.
These two areas cannot be offset by him being a good shot stopper.
Yes of course, a shorter contract on reduced terms.
There are more pressing areas of the team that need investment.
There are more pressing areas of the team that need investment.
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