Should we consider selling Pogba?

sammsky1 said:
Erm from My memory, he came on as sub vs Spurs and has a fun cameo. and anyway we drew, so what did he change about the game?

This is the problem with Pogba fanboys. You exaggerate absolutely everything about him, and then act surprised why neutral fans have such high expectations from him.

Maybe that’s it. The problem isn’t him, it’s his fanboys who keep protesting that he is world class, the bestest, someone who should be cherished, when in fact he’s just really just a good decent player. This narrative you have all created around him has destroyed his reputation.
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This is what's laughable.

The thread is whether or not we should sell him. Those arguing against selling him aren't being as childish as you in this terrible post.

You can claim not to have an agenda and that you're nuetral all you want but it's plain as day to anyone with half a brain.

Its funny because you're doing exactly what you complain about in the Ole out thread.
 
@sammsky1 Basically everything you’ve posted in the past few hours has been horrifically biased, revisionist and utter tripe.

Usually I go through and quote each point but it’s too late in the day.

@JPRouve good points raised throughout.
 
JG3001 said:
Apologies I’ve probably somewhat veered from the original point. I think we can probably agree that at this stage, there are a number of players whose place at the club should be scrutinised before Pogba.
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You don't have to apologize because if I understand the point that you wanted to make while it's not directly linked to Pogba as a footballer it can still be linked to Pogba the asset. There is a case about selling Pogba for a large fee and build a better team partially with that money, some won't like the idea but in theory I would have been open to it a year ago. Today with the pandemic, I would be surprised if we find someone willing to spend +100m on Pogba and it wouldn't be worth it.
 
Terrible thread from the start that's only continued descending down the gutter since
 
I do understand where the op is coming from. I don't think he is saying that Pogba is not a class player. But I do question his role and usefulness in the team. I personally think if we play both Matic and Fred with Bruno and Pogba we would be a much better side. Both Pogba and Bruno in and around the box would be much better for us than playing with 3 strikers.
 
LVGSdive said:
What Thiago does better: More control of the game, moves the ball better, better decision making, better technique, better dribbling,better defensively.

Thiago starts for Bayern Munich the best team in Europe right now. I don't think Pogba gets into this Bayern team.
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All false. Paul walks into that Bayern team just like any other and Thiago starts more often from the bench.

Revan said:
This is idiotic. He is by far our best penalty-taker, maybe the best in the world on it (one of a very few who has a record of 90%+).

But hey, let's leave the pens to Phil Jones cause he is the most senior player on the squad.
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The only idiotic suggestion I see is yours about Phil Jones. I said the most senior between Marcus Rashford and Fernandes.

Infordin said:
The thing is, he hasn’t really worked on his flaws at all. He lacks awareness, he is defensively very suspect, and his decision making is very questionable. He also lacks the mobility to play as a 10 against elite opposition (Bruno is better than him in that role).
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He should be playing no deeper than Fernandes and Paul's few games as 10 were the most devastating I have seen for anyone playing there for us.

What is this mobility Paul lacks as an attacking midfielder? You only see dumb points like that at this club; Zidane or Rui Costa both played as AMs and hardly closed down anyone did they also lack the mobility to play there?!

In any case I don't think he should play there or anyone for that matter we should be playing a flatter midfield so none of our players are isolated in the middle like they are now.

Alejandro Angel said:
Sometimes the player can drag the other players with them and other times the player overshadows the team and stifles it. Pogba has not been the player we all hoped for, Fernandes in the short time has had a greater effect on the club than the time Pogba has. I would be happy to sell if we could get the money back that he cost and that they invested the money into the squad.
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That is nothing more than a myth.

Try eating breakfast that you have not got from the media narrative market.
 
JPRouve said:
You don't have to apologize because if I understand the point that you wanted to make while it's not directly linked to Pogba as a footballer it can still be linked to Pogba the asset. There is a case about selling Pogba for a large fee and build a better team partially with that money, some won't like the idea but in theory I would have been open to it a year ago. Today with the pandemic, I would be surprised if we find someone willing to spend +100m on Pogba and it wouldn't be worth it.
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Even last year there weren't any takers of him at 100m.
My only point is, a temperamental footballer like him can only perform up to his potential in short tournaments. He is not a reliable player for leagues where one has to perform consistently throughout the year.
 
I don't know why some posters are laughing at the idea of selling Pogba. Liverpool sold Coutinho and got better and he played at a much higher level for pool than Pogba has played for us.

We could sell Pogba and get a far more balanced team. Four years on and we're still debating what Pogba's best role is. We had true balance when we played Mctominay, Fred and Bruno. Use the Pogba money plus a little more to sign Fred and Mctominay upgrades and we'd look a much better team than with Pogba.

I would ship Pogba out if it meant we could have Partey and Thiago. Our team would have much more balance and defensive stability.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Look at our record/stats without Pogba and with Pogba the past 3 seasons.

I think that's proof enough.
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Firstly, I'd do that but I don't know why so you can give me some help maybe.

Secondly, we have quite a decent team finally so imo we should be focusing only on this season.
 
El Jefe said:
I don't know why some posters are laughing at the idea of selling Pogba. Liverpool sold Coutinho and got better and he played at a much higher level for pool than Pogba has played for us.

We could sell Pogba and get a far more balanced team. Four years on and we're still debating what Pogba's best role is. We had true balance when we played Mctominay, Fred and Bruno. Use the Pogba money plus a little more to sign Fred and Mctominay upgrades and we'd look a much better team than with Pogba.

I would ship Pogba out if it meant we could have Partey and Thiago. Our team would have much more balance and defensive stability.
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Stick to the computer games.
 
I mean, I'm not against selling Pogba.
If the replacements are De Jong AND Sergej Milinkovic-Savic.


If not, no thanks.
 
Clermontois said:
All false. Paul walks into that Bayern team just like any other and Thiago starts more often from the bench.
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Who's place does he take in the Bayern team? They play ultra fast attacking football with high pressing intensity. I haven't seen anything from him that suggests he can do that.
 
Surely anyone who is pro selling Pogba must realise the absolute difficulty it is for us to tie up transfers?
Knowing us, we'd let him go and not bring anyone in, as seen from the Lukaku and Herrera recent examples.
 
Jibbs said:
Even last year there weren't any takers of him at 100m.
My only point is, a temperamental footballer like him can only perform up to his potential in short tournaments. He is not a reliable player for leagues where one has to perform consistently throughout the year.
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Exactly right.
Over a season, he is something of a luxury.
As long as we can afford him then fine. But for me, the majority of his performances for United have been mediocre with the occasional flash of brilliance.
 
Buster15 said:
.....Over a season, he is something of a luxury.
As long as we can afford him then fine. But for me, the majority of his performances for United have been mediocre with the occasional flash of brilliance.
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The very reason why his previously, perceived potential value has largely evaporated.
His 4 seasons at Juve, as an up and coming young talent in a really good team, are long ago now.
He's been back with us for 4 seasons and really hasn't fulfilled the potential many saw in him.

At 27.5 years old, with that track record, he's worth no more than half of what Utd valued him at, just one or two years ago.
That's if we could offload him, with the wages and add-on fees that his agent will demand, likely to scare almost all clubs off.
 
Good luck getting 100 million for him in this transfer window with covid messing up the revenue of all football clubs.

I'm sure if he does go he will turn out much better than what we have seen of him, that seems to norm since post fergie where we have become a toxic career move for talented players with the club since post fergie having little sense of vision, a lack of identity and awful choice of managers.
 
Banana Republic said:
The very reason why his previously, perceived potential value has largely evaporated.
His 4 seasons at Juve, as an up and coming young talent in a really good team, are long ago now.
He's been back with us for 4 seasons and really hasn't fulfilled the potential many saw in him.

At 27.5 years old, with that track record, he's worth no more than half of what Utd valued him at, just one or two years ago.
That's if we could offload him, with the wages and add-on fees that his agent will demand, likely to scare almost all clubs off.
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No player who has been bought by us in the last four years has fulfilled their full potential here, not one. Paul at least during the time he has been has performed on the international scene hence proving his world class ability. He made the wrong decision coming back here and there is a reason why no superstars ever sign for us.

He is the only player we bought in those four years who will actually cost more when and if he leaves whether this summmer or next. Also what on earth is 27.5 years old, are you a kindergardener...
 
Sandikan said:
Surely anyone who is pro selling Pogba must realise the absolute difficulty it is for us to tie up transfers?
Knowing us, we'd let him go and not bring anyone in, as seen from the Lukaku and Herrera recent examples.
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This thread couldn't even more ill timed right? Not a sniff of us signing anyone in the next week or so, and people suggesting we sell our best players to give us even more funds to sit on.
 
I get the argument that he could - theoretically - be replaced, ultimately leading to a more balanced midfield. I have argued along those lines myself more than once.

But, realistically, the question in the OP made much more sense last summer: he wanted out himself, for one thing, whereas he's seemingly well (enough) settled at the moment. Secondly, the market is extremely unfavourable at the moment.

By the looks of it, we'd have to push a player who is a) very good on his day and b) seemingly not that interested in a move on a potential buyer who'd have zero incentive to pay top dollar for him in the current market.
 
He is a player who came with sky high expectations. There is no question about his skill or talent. And he has been good overall since joining us.

But for that fee, and the expectations he came with I would have expected more impact from him.You would think that he would have ironed out his inconsistencies and improved more with time.

That run we had after Ole joined attests to his capability, but we haven’t seen that since. He’s a bit of a unique player, and this has made it harder for us to find a position for him.

If we can get Coutinho level of money, I would not mind selling him and reinvesting with more functional players for the team. In that case, with the right transfers we can become a better team.
 
I hope I learn to regret saying this but yes we should. You could buy another 2 Bruno’s for the money you’d get for Pogba.

Hes not consistent enough for me.
 
FizzyWomack said:
I hope I learn to regret saying this but yes we should. You could buy another 2 Bruno’s for the money you’d get for Pogba.

Hes not consistent enough for me.
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Fernandes is more inconsistent.

I have come to the point where I too would rather see Paul play elsewhere though. Artists like him should play where they are appreciated. Lukaku was no artist and is exteremely annoying but even he found life outside of the United bubble to be an improvement for his career.
 
Clermontois said:
.....He is the only player we bought in those four years who will actually cost more when and if he leaves whether this summer or next. ......
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LoneStar said:
....If we can get Coutinho level of money, I would not mind selling him and reinvesting with more functional players for the team......
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FizzyWomack said:
.....You could buy another 2 Bruno’s for the money you’d get for Pogba.......
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Sorry guys, this is the height of fantasy.
A player is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for them and as with last year, nobody today is going to shell out a mega fee, with the attendant astronomical wages and add-on fees, for a player who has failed to consistently reach and maintain the high level of performance that was once expected from him.
It's not as if it's a blip in form. He has spent half of his 8 year senior career in this inconsistent malaise.

Forget £100m or even £80m. That will never happen.
Nobody was interested in bidding last year and in the current environment, there's no chance of anyone paying a high transfer fee (and all the rest) and taking a chance on a player who has proven to be inconsistent over the last 4 seasons.
I repeat, that's half of his senior career.
If Pogba wanted to go, he and his agent would have to significantly lower their expectations on wages, signing on fees and all the rest. Likewise, Utd would have to accept much less than what we paid to bring him back to OT.

I think our best option is to keep him and utilise him in a way that allows him to shine.
Playing him in a deeper role, where he has almost no defensive assets at all, is not only stifling his talent, but leaving us with a weak and flimsy central midfield.
If Ole carries on using him in the same way as of late, nothing is going to improve and the frustration will continue.
 
Banana Republic said:
Sorry guys, this is the height of fantasy.
A player is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for them and as with last year, nobody today is going to shell out a mega fee, with the attendant astronomical wages and add-on fees, for a player who has failed to consistently reach and maintain the high level of performance that was once expected from him.
It's not as if it's a blip in form. He has spent half of his 8 year senior career in this inconsistent malaise.

Forget £100m or even £80m. That will never happen.
Nobody was interested in bidding last year and in the current environment, there's no chance of anyone paying a high transfer fee (and all the rest) and taking a chance on a player who has proven to be inconsistent over the last 4 seasons.
I repeat, that's half of his senior career.
If Pogba wanted to go, he and his agent would have to significantly lower their expectations on wages, signing on fees and all the rest. Likewise, Utd would have to accept much less than what we paid to bring him back to OT.

I think our best option is to keep him and utilise him in a way that allows him to shine.
Playing him in a deeper role, where he has almost no defensive assets at all, is not only stifling his talent, but leaving us with a weak and flimsy central midfield.
If Ole carries on using him in the same way as of late, nothing is going to improve and the frustration will continue.
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In a world where Zaha is touted at 67M and Grealish at 80M, it’s definitely not fantasy.

That was my point, no one would pay that much in this window. But if someone offered close to that, I’d be happy selling.
 
Clermontois said:
Fernandes is more inconsistent.

I have come to the point where I too would rather see Paul play elsewhere though. Artists like him should play where they are appreciated. Lukaku was no artist and is exteremely annoying but even he found life outside of the United bubble to be an improvement for his career.
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I have to disagree with you here.You’ve only got to look at Bruno’s success rate on penalties and see he’s more consistent than Pogba.

Every game Bruno plays in he gives 100 percent,you cannot say the same for Paul.
Banana Republic said:
Sorry guys, this is the height of fantasy.
A player is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for them and as with last year, nobody today is going to shell out a mega fee, with the attendant astronomical wages and add-on fees, for a player who has failed to consistently reach and maintain the high level of performance that was once expected from him.
It's not as if it's a blip in form. He has spent half of his 8 year senior career in this inconsistent malaise.

Forget £100m or even £80m. That will never happen.
Nobody was interested in bidding last year and in the current environment, there's no chance of anyone paying a high transfer fee (and all the rest) and taking a chance on a player who has proven to be inconsistent over the last 4 seasons.
I repeat, that's half of his senior career.
If Pogba wanted to go, he and his agent would have to significantly lower their expectations on wages, signing on fees and all the rest. Likewise, Utd would have to accept much less than what we paid to bring him back to OT.

I think our best option is to keep him and utilise him in a way that allows him to shine.
Playing him in a deeper role, where he has almost no defensive assets at all, is not only stifling his talent, but leaving us with a weak and flimsy central midfield.
If Ole carries on using him in the same way as of late, nothing is going to improve and the frustration will continue.
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When I said you could buy 2 Bruno’s I meant in the sense of quality and not the price compared to what we paid for Bruno.

I do agree though,it would make sense to play him somewhere that he can do well and make his price tag go up as much as possible. I would offload him after that though.

I just think we need a different type of player, I’m not convinced he gives 100 percent and someone in his shoes should not be casting this kind of impression over us. I know I’m definitely not the only one who thinks this about Pogba.
 
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pocco said:
For a long time I held out hope thinking that Pogba would have the intelligence to be able to play that deeper role effectively. That he'd learn how to better apply himself to defensive situations and work hard at that part of the game. However, there's a noticeable trend from teams to double up or even triple up on Wan Bissaka, and I think this is because they know that our right sided attacker will not come all the way back, and that Pogba won't help cover his side of the pitch.

We were once opposed to losing him, but Bruno has stolen his importance from a creative point of view in our midfield. In order to build a midfield that properly supplements Bruno, should we consider selling Pogba?
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NO! I've said this many times. Pogba and Bruno should be played as 2 #8s and we need a defensive midfielder like Declan Rice to call the shots from deep midfield. Selling Pogba now would be the biggest mistake in the world.
 
El Jefe said:
I don't know why some posters are laughing at the idea of selling Pogba. Liverpool sold Coutinho and got better and he played at a much higher level for pool than Pogba has played for us.

We could sell Pogba and get a far more balanced team. Four years on and we're still debating what Pogba's best role is. We had true balance when we played Mctominay, Fred and Bruno. Use the Pogba money plus a little more to sign Fred and Mctominay upgrades and we'd look a much better team than with Pogba.

I would ship Pogba out if it meant we could have Partey and Thiago. Our team would have much more balance and defensive stability.
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I would agree with this. Now we have a great attacking outlet in Bruno, we should look to the base of the midfield. Pogba does blow hot and cold, sometimes in the same match. If someone offered £80 mill I would hope we would snap their hand off. What will happen is we will give him the same contract as De Gea and he will get worse as well.
 
Clermontois said:
What is this mobility Paul lacks as an attacking midfielder? You only see dumb points like that at this club; Zidane or Rui Costa both played as AMs and hardly closed down anyone did they also lack the mobility to play there?!
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I didn’t watch enough of Rui Costa to make a proper judgement, but Zidane was more agile and mobile than Pogba. He was quicker than Pogba in the first 2-3 steps, which is critical if you want to play that far up the pitch. Pogba is rapid once he gets going, but he isn’t agile.
 
Withnail said:
Who are these Brunos and who wants to buy Pogba?

Very few clubs are going to spend big this Summer.
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Hypothetically, there ARE more players out there that could be decent players in that same mould of Bruno.

And regarding Pogba : I am sure there would be a few clubs that would buy him next season.
 
wolvored said:
I would agree with this. Now we have a great attacking outlet in Bruno, we should look to the base of the midfield. Pogba does blow hot and cold, sometimes in the same match. If someone offered £80 mill I would hope we would snap their hand off. What will happen is we will give him the same contract as De Gea and he will get worse as well.
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If we sell Pogba and leave Bruno as the sole creative outlet while focusing on a more defensive midfielder, we'd have learned nothing these past few years.
 
Banana Republic said:
The very reason why his previously, perceived potential value has largely evaporated.
His 4 seasons at Juve, as an up and coming young talent in a really good team, are long ago now.
He's been back with us for 4 seasons and really hasn't fulfilled the potential many saw in him.

At 27.5 years old, with that track record, he's worth no more than half of what Utd valued him at, just one or two years ago.
That's if we could offload him, with the wages and add-on fees that his agent will demand, likely to scare almost all clubs off.
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Cannot disagree with any of that.
Has he filled his huge potential. No.
Has he been good value for money at OT. No
 
FizzyWomack said:
Hypothetically, there ARE more players out there that could be decent players in that same mould of Bruno.

And regarding Pogba : I am sure there would be a few clubs that would buy him next season.
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Ok well in that case I'm convinced.

We should sell Pogba to these hypothetical clubs and buy these hypothetical Bruno clones at some point in the future.
 
Don't think he will stay beyond next season if we don't show ambition in transfer market. He is now entering his prime years and will want to win trophies. If the transfer this summer is brooks and not Sancho, then I think he will be off next summer. He will be starter for almost all big names including real, psg etc. Hope I am wrong and he signs a new deal with us but don't see this happening.
 
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