Wasn’t that the reason he was sold? He didn’t want to play second violin? I would argue you as one of the worst posters on here. (Laughin green grin, since I don’t have the privilege..)
Should we consider selling Pogba?
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Thanks for that. I have to admit that I just don't get the emoji thing but I am quite old. Apology if I had put you down. It was unintentional.
Problem is Pogba need's somebody to tell him too shut the f up and listen and do your friggin' job. Ole can't do that. He's not respected and feared enough by Pogba. Even Jose couldn't get through his thick friggin' head. There is only one guy who could but he is retired. Pogba has the goods no doubt about that but I dont believe he takes the game or himself even seriously anymore. We need to move on.
Yeah that’s why he wanted to leave....wasn’t my point though was it.
Thanks for the complement too
This latest stunt isn’t about him trying to engineer a move to another club. It’s to try and get a new contract here.
He got very high level. There is no denying there. But he shows it in 1 of 15 games. I think that he is overvalued by lots and lots of people. There is often talk about Juventus and France. If people really look and analyze situation in both teams and competitions his greatness would drop. His agent did tremendous work getting him sold for that money and getting him those wages. For me, the best thing is sell. As soon as possible. For our sake and also for his career, because he apparently want to be in spanish capital. Keeping a player that want to be somewhere else is just negative for the club and team.
I would love him to prove me wrong and become a brilliant player but I just don't see that happening.
If i could. I would do a straight swap deal with Juventus CB De Ligt. I really like De Ligt ability and willingness to reach the ball first. Special corner for his team.
So i would try a swap deal in January or next summer. When he still has one year left, or he still has contract.
But on the Pogba positive side. Pogba only work as LCM in 433 formation. Like this
DVB/McTom - Matic/Fred - Bruno/Pogba
So yeah. I think United and Ole shall drop the cam and play with a 3 midfield. Suit not only for Pogba, but for DVB and Fred, Matic and McTom too.
United 2 central midfield in Pogba and Matic get overrun. Pogba just got back from covid and not fit, plus a slow and old Matic. Then United and Ole are asking for trouble. Both of Pogba and Matic don’t have legs to protect the defend.
So conclusion = Swap Pogba and De Ligt or change to 433 or 4312.
And Pogba replacement. I am consider and keep close eyes on Red Bull Salzburg young and promising Dominik Szoboszlai.
Yeah that are mine thoughts about Pogba. High max level, but not on form yet. And he is not a consistent player. Yet for United.
So i would try a swap deal in January or next summer. When he still has one year left, or he still has contract.
But on the Pogba positive side. Pogba only work as LCM in 433 formation. Like this
DVB/McTom - Matic/Fred - Bruno/Pogba
So yeah. I think United and Ole shall drop the cam and play with a 3 midfield. Suit not only for Pogba, but for DVB and Fred, Matic and McTom too.
United 2 central midfield in Pogba and Matic get overrun. Pogba just got back from covid and not fit, plus a slow and old Matic. Then United and Ole are asking for trouble. Both of Pogba and Matic don’t have legs to protect the defend.
So conclusion = Swap Pogba and De Ligt or change to 433 or 4312.
And Pogba replacement. I am consider and keep close eyes on Red Bull Salzburg young and promising Dominik Szoboszlai.
Yeah that are mine thoughts about Pogba. High max level, but not on form yet. And he is not a consistent player. Yet for United.
the rotation isn’t a bad idea, although I doubt if either imagined they would not be a definite, regular starter.
Donny? he seems a good character and a good player and I’m sure (hope) he’ll eventually find his way into the side but I must say I have been baffled by this signing, bearing in mind more pressing needs.
not sure it’s Ole’s decision not to sign a defensive mf, cb etc It appears that every time he asks for a player Ed and the gang seem to feck it all up and it doesn’t happen. Happened with previous managers, too. Hence the signings that don’t make sense.
If we could recoup half of our outlay on Pogba, I’d snap their hands off but then can we trust the club to use the money competently. Pogba is no dm. Not sure what he is tbh.
Literally the third example is a loss, hardly the most compelling list.
Also despite watching most if not all of those games I don’t remember these “very dominant” displays. The Pogba cult is weird.
Time for all parties to admit it hasn’t worked with Pogba and move on, Solskjaer’s obsession with his favourites will see him lose his job in the end.
Congratulations on picking out 30 performances from Pogba to "prove" your notion that Paul has put in world class performance since coming back here in 2016 although I would challenge your assertion that they were all world class.
Let's see though, 30 performances is roughly half a season and seeing as he's been back for 4 then that's about 1 decent performance in 8.....1 in 8!
The thing about Paul for me is the yawning, gaping chasm between his potential and the actuality of his overall performances on the pitch.
Throw in his flirtatious attitude with other clubs and the interjections of his agent and I'd see the back of him no problem.
In fact I'd have been happy if the club had got him gone 2 or 3 years ago.
Pogba's as toxic as they come.
He can continue to talk about his dream to play for Real Madrid, I honestly couldn't care less. If it was me I would've sold/swapped him this summer before his value nosedives. I was gutted when we sold Ronaldo/Beckham to Madrid, however, this time I would be more than happy to drive Pogba to the airport to be honest! A bang average player that needs adding to the list of bad signings.
It's now up to Ole to drop him; if he doesn't, questions will be need to be asked whether he's strong enough to manage United moving forward. At the minute it looks like the tail is wagging the dog.
He can continue to talk about his dream to play for Real Madrid, I honestly couldn't care less. If it was me I would've sold/swapped him this summer before his value nosedives. I was gutted when we sold Ronaldo/Beckham to Madrid, however, this time I would be more than happy to drive Pogba to the airport to be honest! A bang average player that needs adding to the list of bad signings.
It's now up to Ole to drop him; if he doesn't, questions will be need to be asked whether he's strong enough to manage United moving forward. At the minute it looks like the tail is wagging the dog.
Well thats the tough thing and a manager has to think about club and player morale balanced against performance. But it seemed Ole was set on Pogba playing the holding role and therefore the issue would not exist. It may do now. Its the whole Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard problem and there is the easy decision (shoehorn them all in) or bench someone. England fans know what they wanted in retrospect.
Agree about Donny. Not a pressing signing.
I wish all the management and the boys the best of luck this season because they will have to fight hard to pull something out of the fire again. They need to get down and grind and do the tough stuff. Because sorry to say we have come into the season looking poorly managed.
Not easy to drop him. It may effect other players - he has some influence in the dressing room.
Wow, I must admit I'd forgotten about those world class performances against the likes of Fulham, Huddersfield, Burnley, Sunderland, Cardiff, Swansea, Hull, Middlesbrough, Stoke, Anderlecht and Young Boys. Most of them even came in wins over such elite opposition! Truly the man for the big occasion.
He's a bad influence and should've been sold in the summer. Sir Alex wouldn't stand for it, neither would Klopp/Pep today. Maybe Ole's hands are tied by Woodward, and if that's the case we are in serious, serious trouble if the manager is being undermined.
Your probably deluded enough to think Pogba can play for Napoli.
But we was talking about Lukaku and how we sold him because he didn’t suit Ole’s style only to find out Ole had no style in mind. But obviously full patriot you has to back Ole and his style that doesn’t suit Lukaku. But yeah explain to me how Lukaku wouldn’t have fit In this team?
The fact you don't get that reference speaks volumes.
No style to you, I can clearly see a style and was advocating for Lukaku to be dropped for Rashford and Martial to play together when Jose was here. You can't be that primitive in your understanding to see that the load is spread among the front 3 in terms of goal now, as opposed to everything going through Lukaku and much of the play was down to whether he fecked it up or not
Most probably Woodward s hands are tied by Joel
They like to play football ,. Sorry Soccer Manager apparently over there in Florida
Same opposition that United have struggled to beat for 7 years. Now list all those great games put up by the others players with that output. I'll wait.
Maybe you wouldn't finish double digit points behind your main rivals every year for 4 years if they did?
And why have Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham , Chelsea etc games been left out? Because it doesn't suit the agenda probably. All this energy for the top assister in the club after Ferguson while in a double pivot for 80% of the time
Zidane is obsessed with having a new spine of the Real Madrid team be french: Varane, Pogba, Mbappe. Hopefully Pogba will go this summer to Madrid (this was discussed on fridays Transfer Window Podcast). Its not working for him here, maybe at Madrid they will get the best out of him.
Some good points about the psychology of football players, direct from two former players (Frank Leboeuf Alejandro Moreno).
Jose was right it this. He should have been sold then and there.
There's literally no evidence of that.
Can't see us getting too much for him considering we'd be looking to offload. Max 60.
He’s more like a boat. Occasionally great to show off, but mostly a hindrance, and costs a fortune for upkeep.
I think Ole is the total opposite of Jose, he doesn't throw his players under the bus, and shows a lot of loyalty to certain players, Pogba, Maguire, Lindelof and De Gea certainly come to mind, which I think will be his undoing, sometimes you have to be tough and drop the 'star' players from time to time. I also think that Ole will have to adapt to playing a different formation now and again. He has persisted with his favoured 4-2-3-1 this Prem season, with a midfield of Matic, Pogba and Bruno to which is quite easy to get through, so we to me, it's no wonder we have struggled so far, whatever team you put out, you have to win the midfield 'battle', then your flair players can come to the fore, and win the game, but first you must make sure you don't lose. We appear to have the players in the squad to play a diamond formation, or a 4-3-1-2, but I would only play Pogba in the forward point of a diamond, or the attacking midfielder in the 4-3-1-2. I think he is a liability in a midfield 2.
Personally I would have tried to sell him last summer.
The trouble is that Ed/the board have already backed him against one manager and they are likely to do the same again. Not sure what Ole (or any other manager) is able to do about him.
It would be the totally wrong move for United. He will obviously look at increasing his salary, which his performances do not deserve, then you end up with others asking for a similar salary etc, etc. We should have learned the lesson from the benchwarmers that are currently riding our bench, extensions given while our current manager was in charge btw.
Throwing a player under the bus and dropping a player are two totally different things. When you bad mouth a player in public, like what Maureen does, that's unforgivable, but when you drop a player because of form or performance issues, that would not be throwing them under the bus. Ole needs to show his ruthless side after the international break. Make the needed changes and drop underperforming players.
What about the rest of the games. I also see a lot of the usual excuses in there.Same opposition that United have struggled to beat for 7 years. Now list all those great games put up by the others players with that output. I'll wait.
Maybe you wouldn't finish double digit points behind your main rivals every year for 4 years if they did?
And why have Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham , Chelsea etc games been left out? Because it doesn't suit the agenda probably. All this energy for the top assister in the club after Ferguson while in a double pivot for 80% of the time
The core of the problem, for me.
Pogba won't shut up his brother or his agent, this won't happen. Unfortunately utd won't get money to reinvest in a committed player
My thing is, if the guy is not match fit, he should be taken out of the team, gain his fitness and knuckle down for the rest of the season and show that he is a world-class player. At the moment is he is just an average player who is lucky to still have a starting position.
Pogba played pretty well in the 2nd half with France vs Portugal yesterday. Hopefully this means his fitness and strength are back and he will have a good performance this weekend. I'm not ready to give up on him, but I need to see him play well more often.
A Pogba critic here and honestly nothing would make me more happy than him having a great season with us and having +10 goals and assists. He gets sold for about the same money he was bought, leaves Manchester and the club gets the compesation it deserves. Everybody happy.
Club will take an advantage of his contract situation. No chance he will be sold for the same amount of money when we signed him if he only has 1 year left in his contract. Sanchez scored 20 league goals and none wanted to pay 70m pounds on him.
Jose spent 400 million and not a single one of his signings was a bona fide success. Matic and Lukaku were half decent.
So giving Jose an open cheque-book at Utd has been one of the biggest disasters ever. Jose always insisted on playing Pogba in a midfield 2 also even though he was always a disaster there.