Probably a discussion for a match thread, I'm sure that it will be brought up by the managers.
Serie A 90's draft
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Will make it clear in the match threads what the criteria is. In the end its upto the voters how they rate/or how much knowledge they have. I think the write up and match discussions will be more important in this draft because of this issue.
I only glanced at the op details (I'm not a detail person) but as long as met 40 games criteria, I didn't think longevity gave a player some form of bonus value (over say a two-season star)?
Its the difference between being an Amir Zaki or Michu and a world class player(assuming we are only judging by serie a and nothing else).
As 2mufc mentioned, this is where the write ups and discussions will be key. Longevity by itself shouldn’t make a difference but consistently performing well in Serie A is a better barometer of skill than a one season wonder in my opinion.
3-year peak is traditionally what we've worked with.
That's for an all-time draft. For a decade draft like this, 1 full season should suffice imo.
Think different people will value longevity and consistency, while some might rate a one season very high peak higher. All depends on the person.
With the CB pool getting thin, we're going with this lad and good partner in crime with Bergomi.
Riccardo Ferri
- EAP - 1. M. van Basten 2. R. Donadoni 3. M. Tassotti
- Onenil - 1. R. Baggio 2. A. Costacurta 3. D. Baggio
- harms 1. L. Ronaldo 2. C. Ferrara 3. P. Montero
- Moby/Pat Mustard 1. G. Batistuta 2. F. Cannavaro 3. R. Mancini
- MJJ/Sjor 1. A. Del Piero 2. J. Veron 3. Aldair
- 2mufc0/Invictus 1. Z. Zidane 2. P. Vierchowod 3. Z. Boban
- Lord Sinister 1. P. Maldini 2. G. Signori 3. A. Winter
- Gio 1. F. Baresi 2. G. Weah 3. D. Deschamps
- Enigma/The Red Viper 1. L. Matthäus 2. G. Bergomi 3. G. Vialli 4. R. Ferri
- idmanager 1. F. Rijkaard 2. E. Davids 3. H. Crespo 4. A. Di Livio
- antohan 1. R. Costa 2. J. Kohler 3. A. Benarrivo 4. Mihajlovic
- prath92/Crappy 1. P. Nedved 2. C. Vieri 3. D. Albertini 4. Savicevic
- Tuppet 1. R. Gullit 2. A. Brehme 3. L. Blanc 4. T. Hassler
- Cal? 1. M. Desailly 2. F. Totti 3. J. Klinsmann 4. C. Panucci
- Oaencha 1. A. Nesta 2. J. Zanetti 3. G. Zola 4. F. Inzaghi
- Raees 1. Cafu 2. L. Thuram 3. D. Simeone 4. V. Jugovic
Slightly surprising pick for that stage of the draft, but great to see someone with Indian roots being selected in this draft!
One of my most favourite midfielders from the 90s! Great pick!
Two, any one season player can't qualify as there aren't 40 games in a season.
Whether one good season is convincing enough relative to sustained performance is a different matter.
Better to leave it to matchday threads but, seeing Matthaus name again to answer briefly. Matthaus had not one but two seasons in the 90's, missing only handful games in both. Take Savicevic for example - he was part of Milan team for 7 seasons and played only 39 games more than Matthaus, whilst also being a sub in many of them.
He had around as many games as the likes of Fenomeno, van Basten and others already picked before him.
I think the cut off 40 games criteria is enough to judge player's form during that period, especially since we're not looking at career totals but rather a decade cut off data.
Besides, with Matthaus you are looking at one of the most influential and best players to ever kick a football, so it's not a question if or whether he could sustain that level of 90/91.
It's always tricky with those cut off periods, but I wouldn't swap any other year compared to the one he had after the turn of the decade.
The most important thing to be conveyed to the voters IMO is to judge the players within that time frame. In other words what players were capable during those years and their level at the time. 50-60 games IMO is a very good barometer of that, considering Serie A had 34 games per season and was pretty intense in terms of physicality - hence injuries happened often.
Time to pair up this all-conquering duo again.
- EAP - 1. M. van Basten 2. R. Donadoni 3. M. Tassotti
- Onenil - 1. R. Baggio 2. A. Costacurta 3. D. Baggio
- harms 1. L. Ronaldo 2. C. Ferrara 3. P. Montero
- Moby/Pat Mustard 1. G. Batistuta 2. F. Cannavaro 3. R. Mancini
- MJJ/Sjor 1. A. Del Piero 2. J. Veron 3. Aldair
- 2mufc0/Invictus 1. Z. Zidane 2. P. Vierchowod 3. Z. Boban
- Lord Sinister 1. P. Maldini 2. G. Signori 3. A. Winter
- Gio 1. F. Baresi 2. G. Weah 3. D. Deschamps 4. P. Sousa
- Enigma/The Red Viper 1. L. Matthäus 2. G. Bergomi 3. G. Vialli 4. R. Ferri
- idmanager 1. F. Rijkaard 2. E. Davids 3. H. Crespo 4. A. Di Livio
- antohan 1. R. Costa 2. J. Kohler 3. A. Benarrivo 4. Mihajlovic
- prath92/Crappy 1. P. Nedved 2. C. Vieri 3. D. Albertini 4. Savicevic
- Tuppet 1. R. Gullit 2. A. Brehme 3. L. Blanc 4. T. Hassler
- Cal? 1. M. Desailly 2. F. Totti 3. J. Klinsmann 4. C. Panucci
- Oaencha 1. A. Nesta 2. J. Zanetti 3. G. Zola 4. F. Inzaghi
- Raees 1. Cafu 2. L. Thuram 3. D. Simeone 4. V. Jugovic
Like it Gio. Like it. Now to Lord Sinister who lived up to his weird name by inexplicably picking Aron cocking Winter in the last round. Who next I wonder? ******** **********?
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At least 40 games.... come on guys you know who you haven't picked yet...
It's not a written rule though. I'll definitely look more favourably on it though.
Where possible, half the geezers on display I'll only have a faint recollection of.
Nah, I just threw that in there for discussion. Has to be some recognition that it's just 10 seasons we are working with, and the peak of a few players bridge decades. But the rules are clear on the performance window and, the more that is done within that window at a high level, the better.
Yeah. Although to be fair I was re-watching quite a bit of footage over the last couple of days, and Winter's defensive game is pretty impressive.
It's not just about picking all the best players first though. E.g. I love Hassler, but picking him would be problematic.
The player pool is quite shallow so players (and formations) that can narrow it drastically get avoided.
Mind you, there's still quite a few players knocking about which I would have expected to be gone by now.
I always feel its better to have Date Of Birth as a defined criteria rather than specific eras when it comes to playing drafts. Because the debate of longevity vs quality is something which can be avoided.
Meh. Not for sinch's selection. I will bestow the mighty honour upon the team that is VE BEST assuming every player is at the peak of their powers. Mind you your picks are fecking diamond you are good at this.
This. Seconded.
I can see that you should make sure you don't get left with a shite defence and keeper. I mean that could defo happen just picking the faves.
All this reminds me of playing I think it was Sensible Soccer with these teams back in the day. And of course watching baldy nut on C4, golAzo etc.
He is the sort that would only get picked in a Serie A draft, but certainly deserves a good billing. I reckon it was somewhat bumped given the flexibility he affords. Versatile players will be very handy to navigate later rounds.
Cracking pick. Was nailed on as one of my R5/6 picks for the exact same reason.
With the CB pool getting thin, we're going with this lad and good partner in crime with Bergomi.
Riccardo Ferri
Nup you can't convince me Winter was a good choice. Not happening. Winter is not coming.
Ferri on the other hand is a smart choice. Triffic defender.
Ferri on the other hand is a smart choice. Triffic defender.
You have 23,000 posts on Redcafe since 2004 and you have never seen a draft before?!?
Not paid attention before for sure.
No naming unpicked players.
Cheers, anto.
I can see what you are doing tho - mostly your picks are pool oriented - an advanced playmaker - hard to come by during that era. Then top CB and versatile pair of full backs, with Mihajlovic, capable of filling in centrally/wide.
It's great. Next time we are accused of clogging up the caf with matchthreads we can point to that post on getting Weah out of retirement.You have 23,000 posts on Redcafe since 2004 and you have never seen a draft before?!?
I was careful not to break that rule. That's why I said ********* cocking ******** who surely qualifies as closer to street furniture than a player.
You boys are very serious about this isn't it?
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Not questioning the tactical foresight and logic behind the pick, but from what I’ve seen there are times when the impact of such players in actual draft-matches gets overlooked. Just my opinion.
Completely subjective, but I mean, the next player picked up Albertini, who i thought could’ve been a more “People’s Choice” so to speak and would’ve helped get more votes in your future matchups.
Where I am in the picking order you just have to gamble. (@sincher, expanding on previous point).
With the absolute top class players gone you have to prepare for a rough first round game and hope for a lucky draw.
Then once you survive you want to reinforce dramatically so you have to focus on picking players you are happy taking all the way to a final and ride your luck on the positions that will transform you.
E.g. nobody is winning this with a second tier striker upfront, it's not going to happen no matter what. Now, if I pick said striker I will need to upgrade him... but there will be 4-5 players needing upgrades elsewhere as the R7-14 picks are going to be largely nobodies to 80% of those voting.
So yeah, I've had to delay any action on key roles where the pool is comparatively larger but the existing quality gap already calls for upgrades going forward.
Ooh feck upgrades as well. This shit is complex.
People rage quit regularly. Persistent naming of unpicked players receives a threadban.
Yes, we are weird like that.
What happened to Poland?
As I tried make myself a list of options yesterday (I don't take my PC on holidays) I quickly ran through countries wondering if I had missed someone obvious.
I know and you all know Poland was irrelevant in the 90s, but what struck me was: this is largely a mid 60s to mid 70s pool. When they were kids Poland had an absolutely fabulous array of talent and by far their best WC showings.
So how did all those Polish kids not produce anyone remotely talented? You would think it would have inspired more to play football? Yes, the Iron Curtain fell but that didn't stop the Czechs, the Yugoslavians, Romanians...
Anyone know what the feck happened there?
As I tried make myself a list of options yesterday (I don't take my PC on holidays) I quickly ran through countries wondering if I had missed someone obvious.
I know and you all know Poland was irrelevant in the 90s, but what struck me was: this is largely a mid 60s to mid 70s pool. When they were kids Poland had an absolutely fabulous array of talent and by far their best WC showings.
So how did all those Polish kids not produce anyone remotely talented? You would think it would have inspired more to play football? Yes, the Iron Curtain fell but that didn't stop the Czechs, the Yugoslavians, Romanians...
Anyone know what the feck happened there?
Don’t worry only the stalwarts pick thinking of reinforcements. People like me pick simply to make a 11 good enough to make it a competent game
