I would cry and cloth myself in sackcloth and hurl ashes in the air, if we bought Sergio fecking Ramos for 40 million.
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I would cry and cloth myself in sackcloth and hurl ashes in the air, if we bought Sergio fecking Ramos for 40 million.
lol, calm down guys. I hate to be a wet blanket, but this ain't a done deal yet. We might still end up with no Ramos and DDG gone for 13 million. 
I hope this is some sort of smoke screen to sign Otamendi.
I am glad Woodie is taking a stand and has valued him correctly at 40m Euros. A player who'll be 30 midway through the season isn't worth more than that; may be another 5m if we are desperate.
Just hope that there is a deadline upto which we chase him. Don't want us to end up with Ron Vlaar on Sep 1st becase we missed out on other targerts as we were being jerked around by Ramos/Real.
Just hope that there is a deadline upto which we chase him. Don't want us to end up with Ron Vlaar on Sep 1st becase we missed out on other targerts as we were being jerked around by Ramos/Real.
If he really wants to leave even increasing the renewal offer then I am pretty sure that Madrid will sell. I don´t see them keeping an unhappy player. Maybe he will be 30 soon but I don´t think that 40 is enough, according to the prices in the market. It would be weird to sell Ramos for 40 euros and later pay the same or more for Otamendi(Valencia wants 50m€+VAT) or 35 for Bonucci/Marquinhos. If I were United I wouldn´t trust René Ramos. I expect an offer from City as well. If Ramos is a publicity hit for United, to steal a potencial transfer from United also would be a hit for them. Del Bosque is very loyal to the players (Iker is the best example).I don´t see problems there
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all these come out in a sudden after the reported interest from shitte, very likely a leak from real to trigger a bidding war. so the ramos camp came out to fight back. it shows their respect to us and they sent a clear message that they are not using us as an leverage for something and will shut down anything similar. certainly he won't be entertained by the offer from perez so real will sell him out this summer. and they have to do it swift to limit the damage done to them if they drag it on too long. somewhere between 40~50m euros will be a fair price i would say
if i were woodward i would arrange the signing ceremony to be carried out during the u.s. tour. just make it a carnival. woody would love him to dead of the commercial value he can bring to us
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@King Kendrick
Gimenez, Laporte (even though he had an iffy season), Boateng, Varane, Benatia, Hummels over Ramos any day of the week... I'd love for us to put in a punt for Papasthopoulos
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signing a player is not just signing an individual, you also need to know what you have already in hand and what you need for the addition. obviously we need:
. to add leadership and experience to our relative young and shaky crop of defenders;
. a better ball user that our current brit defenders are no expertise in the area;
. the health record of the new comer would also be a concern given the injury records of our current defenders;
. a proven success for the reason described by giggs already;
. availability of the player;
. what else?
i can't give comment to those players if i haven't watched enough of their games. i can't comment just based on somewhere i read from how good a player is. so:
. gimenez - no comment
. laporte - can't give much comment so far neither
. boateng - a player with similar attributes to smalling. so signing boateng will be an upgrade or a replacement to smalling, never a supplement;
. varane - not established himself to be a proven success yet. he needs to carry a club on his own to winning something in essential. before that the best he can give us is a compliment to our current players with his better health record. despite i like him but i still don't see varane is much an upgrade in term of quality to our current defenders;
. hummels - don't think he's available to us. otherwise we should've signed him weeks ago despite of his injury record i would say
. benatia - would be a decent squad signing but benatia is no where a kind of person who can carry our defense line into the next level. just like varane he can be a replacement to any of our current defenders if we are not happy with them though;
. papasthopoulos - no comment
am i personally a big fan of ramos as a footballer? just like you probably not but i can see the reason why we look for him. he just ticks all the boxes. by signing ramos i don't expect him to be our hard tackler in the back line. this is the job of smalling or jones. i expect ramos can be there to immediately stabilize our defense line and organize thing in deep area. we all observed how shaky were there by the last season. and ramos has all attributes to become a good no 6 which is a big advantage of signing him.
if this is not ramos i would rather say we should go get vlaar as a cheap alternative to just fill in the experience gap instead
analysis on signing is not just to pull out a bunch of names, at least it desevers to give the reasoning behind for your target.
if i were woodward i would arrange the signing ceremony to be carried out during the u.s. tour. just make it a carnival. woody would love him to dead of the commercial value he can bring to us
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@King Kendrick
Gimenez, Laporte (even though he had an iffy season), Boateng, Varane, Benatia, Hummels over Ramos any day of the week... I'd love for us to put in a punt for Papasthopoulos
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signing a player is not just signing an individual, you also need to know what you have already in hand and what you need for the addition. obviously we need:
. to add leadership and experience to our relative young and shaky crop of defenders;
. a better ball user that our current brit defenders are no expertise in the area;
. the health record of the new comer would also be a concern given the injury records of our current defenders;
. a proven success for the reason described by giggs already;
. availability of the player;
. what else?
i can't give comment to those players if i haven't watched enough of their games. i can't comment just based on somewhere i read from how good a player is. so:
. gimenez - no comment
. laporte - can't give much comment so far neither
. boateng - a player with similar attributes to smalling. so signing boateng will be an upgrade or a replacement to smalling, never a supplement;
. varane - not established himself to be a proven success yet. he needs to carry a club on his own to winning something in essential. before that the best he can give us is a compliment to our current players with his better health record. despite i like him but i still don't see varane is much an upgrade in term of quality to our current defenders;
. hummels - don't think he's available to us. otherwise we should've signed him weeks ago despite of his injury record i would say
. benatia - would be a decent squad signing but benatia is no where a kind of person who can carry our defense line into the next level. just like varane he can be a replacement to any of our current defenders if we are not happy with them though;
. papasthopoulos - no comment
am i personally a big fan of ramos as a footballer? just like you probably not but i can see the reason why we look for him. he just ticks all the boxes. by signing ramos i don't expect him to be our hard tackler in the back line. this is the job of smalling or jones. i expect ramos can be there to immediately stabilize our defense line and organize thing in deep area. we all observed how shaky were there by the last season. and ramos has all attributes to become a good no 6 which is a big advantage of signing him.
if this is not ramos i would rather say we should go get vlaar as a cheap alternative to just fill in the experience gap instead
analysis on signing is not just to pull out a bunch of names, at least it desevers to give the reasoning behind for your target.
at first it looked like this was just a tactic from the ramos camp to get better offer from real but seeing as he said he wants to sign for united only and says to listen to offers... might be something more to it than I had initially thought.
but then if ramos gets a mega offer from real to stay then he'll probably do a u-turn and sign a new contract so my muppet mode is still calm on this one.
but then if ramos gets a mega offer from real to stay then he'll probably do a u-turn and sign a new contract so my muppet mode is still calm on this one.
Your heartbreak level if this doesn't happen?
Meh, don't think he's that good and he's 29. Actually think he'll be another expensive flop for us. (I'm just pleased we're annoying Madrid).
surely Bluemoon guys will stick their arse in this, why did big brother Rene come out speaking publicly like that though?
40m for a 29 year old. The world had turned mad
count ourselves lucky we don't have to face David Luiz
In 2011 he also offered Ramos to several top clubs before the renewal that was also noisy and difficult. Although he is talking to everybody I didn't listen a word from René.United is the most likely destination but City might want to increase the final price or maybe Madrid could use Ramos to some deal with City.Anyway those are only my theories
This is a great situation to be in.
If we get him; great player who has won the lot.
If its a ploy for a new contract; hes also a dirty fecker who i dont really want at the club.
Its a win win. Wish every transfer was like this.
He could also be a great tutor to Smalling and Jones who will be hitting their prime as he starts to decline.
If we get him; great player who has won the lot.
If its a ploy for a new contract; hes also a dirty fecker who i dont really want at the club.
Its a win win. Wish every transfer was like this.
He could also be a great tutor to Smalling and Jones who will be hitting their prime as he starts to decline.
If 40mil euros, and not pounds, it's still bearable. But honestly I still think this one is not going to go through. The noises coming out from his camp seem to be about not getting enough respect (ie salary) from Perez.
Not saying we are definitely signing him but the noises from his camp is that this has now gone too far, his decision to leave is irrevocable.
That isn't 'win win', because if we don't get him we've missed out on a great player who's won the lot, and if we do we've got a dirty fecker who you don't really want at the club.
Not quite irrevocable. Only that if he left, it'd be to us. But two things can happen. Real can offer a new contract to show him the "respect" he wants. Or they can slap a silly transfer fee and ask us to put up. Or both. This is far more likely to happen than Real coming to us and saying "oh he wants to leave anyway, so just pay us what you think he's worth and get him off our hands".
So really I'm not reading too much into this at this time. Real will not make this easy, it's not like they're short of cash.
I saw smalling, as I'm sure others did, step up into a leadership position last year as he led the line. Sure he needs more experience at it but I believe that any of the older players that I mentioned in my post and you critiqued do bring that leadership our defense needs. What I love about Boateng is his ability to snuff out fires just based off his position and reading of the game. Neuer's heroics aside, Boateng was the reason why Bayern didn't ship 3-4 goals in the first 15 minutes of that first leg, as he constantly made last ditch tackles. He also is comfortable on the ball and has the vision to create spaces with his passing. Benatia I agree with your assessment, it's just a matter of bringing in an experienced head that can stabilize the back line. Yes, I realize CBs with on ball capabilities are prized by LVG, but Benatia checks off enough boxes where I think he'd be worth a punt at the 25 million euros he was being shopped at IIRC. Had we had the Vidic and Rio even of 2012/13 I would never advocate for his purchase, but obviously we don't. And Varane's inclusion is based on his potential and how he could be a complete defender who fits perfectly in the modern game, while also being capable of leading the line for the next decade. Obviously at this moment in time I wouldn't expect him to walk into the side and solve all our answers, but in two seasons I could very well see him overthrow Thiago Silva/Boateng as the best defender in the game.
Yes, his capabilities on the ball and his leadership are Ramos' two biggest strengths, but I believe his shortcomings in other areas as a defender make him a shaky buy and therefore not worth the 30 million pounds were being quoted. We could do worse, and if he really is the best CB we have a realistic chance at getting, so be it, but I'd just rather not focus on him solely.
While that would normally be the case, the key difference here is Madrid interest in DDG, if they want to play hardball with Ramos, we will with De Gea. They want him this season and will avoid anything that would jeopardise getting him this season.
He hasn't said 'if' I leave, he has said he wants to leave and, again, the noises from the Ramos camp is that his relationship with Perez is beyond repair.
@King Kendrick for a worthy statement of intent and a rapid way of regaining success, I believe only Boateng, Hummels and Ramos fit those requirements, but the first obviously is going nowhere and seemingly the same for the second, Ramos is definitely worth it to me.
If he was a bit younger then I'd be all for it but I really hope we don't sign him because he's not that good and has no room of improvement whatsoever. I doubt if Real Madrid weren't signing DDG, we'd even show interest in him.
Yeah i feel you on this. I dont want us becoming a club full of Real Madrid castoffs, but i think he would add a great deal of leadership and confidence.
I don't think Ramos is by any means a castoff
He's hardly a cast off. If true he's told them that he wants to leave and only wants United. We are doing a De Gea to them, but in public. I know I'd rather have him than Otamendi, not that there's anything wrong with Otamendi.
I have mixed feelings about this deal
On one hand it makes sense. We've got a pack of young defenders who need some guidance. Ramos would keep everyone in line and would allow the likes of Smalling, Jones, Blackett and Mcnair to grow without becoming an obstacle once they are mature enough to become first teamers. Having said that, 40m for a 29 year old....jeez that's quite a lot of money
He's not a cast off. However if Real saw him as an indispensable player than we wouldn't be in this situation.
lol, calm down guys. I hate to be a wet blanket, but this ain't a done deal yet. We might still end up with no Ramos and DDG gone for 13 million.
There are a million scenarios for how this can play out but I am 100% certain that the one you suggest is not going to happen now.
Otamendi is 2 years younger which makes a huge difference when moving to another league different to what you're used to. Also he would be joining us for the right reasons (ie to win stuff).
but I don't think Otamendi's experience in knowing how to win is close enough to Ramos
I just dont get posters who are obsessed with the price.
That's true. However he would be joining us for all the right reasons ie to win honours. There's no nostalgia involved which had tormented JSV and Di Maria career at OT.
I have this bad feeling that we're getting Ramos because Woodward doesn't want to look stupid in letting DDG go for some ridiculous sum. We need to stop being naive in terms of players. Once a player is 2 years away from the end of the contract than he either signs another one or he should be sold. Such rule should apply irrespective if the player is Heinze (a renowned mercenary) or Gary Neville
City's name has only been mentioned to try and create a market and drive the price up.
Notable that the briefing from Ramos's side talked about United being the only option.
Notable that the briefing from Ramos's side talked about United being the only option.
He may not exactly be a castoff, but DiMaria felt like one. My point is that i dont want us spending fortunes on players that Real dont want, in general.
Considering Real's track record of buying the worlds elite players then with the ones that don't immediately break into the first 11 either ruining them or leaving them on the sidelines to rot there would be worse things in the world than becoming a club full of their cast-offs
Best transfer window ever, even if this does not come off.
Just loving watching Madrid squirm.
Just loving watching Madrid squirm.
So you want players that Madrid has "ruined"? Or have I misunderstood?
I think it's the other way round – he doesn't see RM as indispensable. That and the DDG factor is what has led to this.
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