Appreciate the compliment. It could be because I don't rate Ramos all that highly, but I do think Otamendi would be a better fit, especially if we're paying a premium on either player. I know these other "apparent interest" rumors have faded off/were bullshit from the beginning, but give me Gimenez, Laporte (even though he had an iffy season), Boateng, Varane, Benatia, Hummels over Ramos any day of the week... And those were just guys we were linked with! One man who we haven't been linked with but I'd love for us to put in a punt for is Dortmund's Papasthopoulos, I think he'd be an excellent signing for us, isn't afraid to put a foot in but isn't reckless, strong in the air, excellent positioning and a good reader of the game.
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Appreciate the compliment. It could be because I don't rate Ramos all that highly, but I do think Otamendi would be a better fit, especially if we're paying a premium on either player. I know these other "apparent interest" rumors have faded off/were bullshit from the beginning, but give me Gimenez, Laporte (even though he had an iffy season), Boateng, Varane, Benatia, Hummels over Ramos any day of the week... And those were just guys we were linked with! One man who we haven't been linked with but I'd love for us to put in a punt for is Dortmund's Papasthopoulos, I think he'd be an excellent signing for us, isn't afraid to put a foot in but isn't reckless, strong in the air, excellent positioning and a good reader of the game.
So Ramos and Smalling partnered next season? Or a 3 including Jones?
Its at 1:30 in the conversation on sky sports. Did i just completely misunderstand that? Because what i understood was that Real said that the offer was substantial and firm which indicates that it was in their eyes acceptable. Why else would a club use those words.
If Ramos would have said it to real madrid it would mean nothing, but real madrid to ramos using those words indicates they are satisfied enough right?
Are any of them lads available though?
What video? I can't imagine Real saying that for one of the world's best players in his position and one they so desperately want to keep.
It's still a possibility that Ramos is using us to get a bigger deal at Real.
United are the only viably big enough club which the Real fans won't resent him joining. Barca and (currently) Bayern are toxic options. It wouldn't surprise me if we're being used as pawns in contract negotiations. Let's not forget that it was Ramos' agent who leaked the rumour.
United are the only viably big enough club which the Real fans won't resent him joining. Barca and (currently) Bayern are toxic options. It wouldn't surprise me if we're being used as pawns in contract negotiations. Let's not forget that it was Ramos' agent who leaked the rumour.
IF we take the brother/agent's comments at face value (and that is a big IF since manipulations are always involved in a leak to the press), they seem designed to drive down the transfer price by limiting their options and inflict maximum pain on Madrid.
His face!
According to the Telegraph we're unconcerned if he is using us for a new contract because part of our game plan is to ramp up the price for de Gea regardless.
Giving those cnuts a taste of their own medicine, fantastic to see.
Genuinely can't remember the last time one of their main players wanted out like this and were chased by another club.
You want 250k a week Sergio? No bloody problem...
Genuinely can't remember the last time one of their main players wanted out like this and were chased by another club.
You want 250k a week Sergio? No bloody problem...
Hunter has had nothing at all from Real , he was basically saying that the Ramos camp believe that this is close to his value and so Real should consider it
Allegedly Madrid want 60m from what I'm reading. Paying that type of money is madness. 30m should be more than enough.
So the new strategy is to buy all Cristiano's mates so he joins us 
Cunning from Woody.
Cunning from Woody.
Hence my preface lol.. I'd rather continue kicking around the tires on other targets realistic or not, especially if we have to give a big fee regardless, than continue pursuing him though, especially since he's already about to turn 30.
I don't think so lowly of him, to the point Spain/Real have won in spite of him, but I do think you could have plugged in a random defender in his stead and his teams wouldn't have been any worse off. He got the perfect opportunities at the perfect time and took advantage of them.
Laporte, Hummels and Varane all had worse seasons than Ramos, made more mistakes and have worse injury records. Giminez is a beginner, he looks like he'll be great, but he comes with no guarantees - hard to buy as well given that Atletico have just sold Miranda. I'm told Benatia and Boateng have been better but I don't watch them often enough to know.
The problem with Ramos is that he's 29, but that's got more to do with working out a valuation than deciding whether he'd be useful. I've no doubt that Ramos would be useful to us.
Just trolling Real is worth the transfer fee!
Really? Whilst i see the attraction in younger world class potential, a proven play like Ramos who has done it all is an opportunity we can't refuse, he's a winner of the highest quality. We need the experience more then anything right now - we can breed our own young talent in Jones and McNair who could easily learn alot from him. I mean imagine Jones with a brain and a peer to follow during games unlike Smalling who seems to, despite his age, still be learning - certainly in the crucial games.
Signing him will also increase our reputation to other big players around the world. It sends a message that we are only looking out for the very best players out there and if we choose you, you better listen.
But he said that Real Madrid has directly spoken to Ramos that the offer came in (which is where he used those words) and that sources close to Ramos told him about it.
@jojojo Yea as I was saying earlier I just don't rate him as highly as others on this board apparently. I think Hummels was just in a system ill suited to his style of play, as evidenced by his importance to the national team in the WC. Without him, they were on the ropes against Algeria. At Dortmund, it was kamikaze like defending with playing an aggressively high line, and we all know Hummels isn't the fastest of defenders even on his best day. Varane and Laporte are still young, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for a season, but I see your point. I'd just rather take a punt on one of those I mentioned rather than Ramos when regardless were gonna pay a large fee.
Dont trust hunter after the Thiago saga. But i cant deny all the right sounds are coming out in the press that makes me believe this could actually heppen. If it is true Ramos is going all out to get what he wants, but its debatable what that is!
This would probably be my personal favourite signing if successful. Simply because is my favourite non United and had been for the past few years.
I remember buying him on FIFA 05 or 06 and he would always turn into the best defender om the game. He was a right back though and had a weird Barnet but still likable. I kept an eye on his career ever since and was amazed how good he turned out. I just loved his sheer desire to win and I know he's been guilty of conning refs and what not but he's a very good ball player on top of that. The way he handled Costa was brilliant which is why I think he would flourish in the prem. I'd be very surprised is City or Chelsea don't try and throw a spanner in the works.
I remember buying him on FIFA 05 or 06 and he would always turn into the best defender om the game. He was a right back though and had a weird Barnet but still likable. I kept an eye on his career ever since and was amazed how good he turned out. I just loved his sheer desire to win and I know he's been guilty of conning refs and what not but he's a very good ball player on top of that. The way he handled Costa was brilliant which is why I think he would flourish in the prem. I'd be very surprised is City or Chelsea don't try and throw a spanner in the works.
He's doing an excellent job of scaring Real, an Oscar worthy performance.
Getting Ramos would also be an absolute massive statement by our club. As big a statement ADM was, he wasn't really wanted by the biggest club in the world. If we get Ramos, we'll be taking the biggest team in the world's best defender and one of the key leaders of the team against Madrid's will.
Then there is me who usually doesn't give a flying feck what we pay.
I understand your point, I just think that if we're paying a large fee regardless if rather have it spent on someone who will be better than Ramos, who I don't rate too highly mind, or already is. And Varane is already experienced, obviously not as much as Ramos, but he's played quite a few games for someone so young. If we're paying 30 odd million for Ramos, why not add another 15 or do and sign, for me, the best defender in the world in Jerome Boateng.
what surprises me most is the weakness of Madrid board in the market.Although everything can change in 24 hours , now the most likely situation is that the team will lose 2 caotains and end up paying more than they should for De Gea . Besides the CB that press are naming are not really exciting for anyone. I wonder if the picture will change when they start to move
I think the last player that I can remember leaving against Real Madrid's will was when Claude Makelele left to join Chelsea - it's very rare though
Well that's totally irrelevant to the argument that was been made
Yeah, I think you've misunderstood. What he's said is Real have informed Ramos' camp that they have received a substantial bid and Ramos has responded in kind informing them of his decision to leave. That is all, not whether Real think that's an acceptable amount or not for him (which they don't).
What a ridiculous idea that is. What happens if DDG's fee hasn't been agreed and Ramos signs a new contract with Madrid? It doesn't make sense as a strategy.
this is a 10/10 transfer.
Madrid don't get de Gea this summer then, it appears we're prepared to really dig our heels in over de Gea anyway, and the Ramos situation now helps.
If it happens.
Interesting comments, hadn't read that interview before. Thanks.
Though I'm sure he isn't the only player to have 'grown up' with United around, the likes of Xavi said similar about Scholes but still never took the step to actually move. Funny how Madrid have messed this up.
Someone on Rawk called him the Spanish David Luiz
This transfer would be a total gamechanger. Underdogs to instant contenders.
Praise woodie and louis for their spanish-speaking fetish. Valdez, Ramos, Rojo, Herrera, Di Maria, Mata.
Praise woodie and louis for their spanish-speaking fetish. Valdez, Ramos, Rojo, Herrera, Di Maria, Mata.
I don't see how DDG is relevant really, to be quite honest. Real Madrid can afford to wait another season, if that's what it takes. Just as we can afford DDG leaving at the end of next season, this isn't really a carrot and stick situation; if Ramos signs a new contract and we're banking on signing him to push the DDG transfer fee up, or using it as some sort of carrot to get Real Madrid to sell a player they want to keep we are kind of screwed. The idea defies logic, not to mention Woodward seems to be a shrewd business operator... these sorts of hodge podge deals people come up with are silly and unprofessional. Don't forget players are people so much as they are 'commodities' so to speak. If a player wants to leave, he will go for whatever price, which means DDG will go regardless of what happens with Ramos and vice versa (assuming that is both players' intention).
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