Sergio Ramos | Signs new 5 year contract

[Mali_Zeus]

Cafu overrated?

My word...

His profile didnt increase when he went to Milan, it was already really high while he was at Roma, and as @Lawman says he was one of the best RBs ever.

 

[darioterios]

I think Thuram is in that region.

Thuram has very regrettably not won the UCL

"Cafu overrated"

 

[Brwned]

Cafu was extremely overrated in my opinion. I remember his career, and generally where his reputation was for the most part. It wasn't until his early 30's if I'm not mistaken after a WC and a move from Roma to Milan which increased his profile that he began to be lauded to the level he was, and then managed to retire as apparently one of the greatest right-backs ever.

Zanetti doesn't get his dues, perhaps down to no World Cup or something, but he was a far better right-back than Cafu for me.

I think you're right in the sense that you remember his reputation according to the British press, but we can't use that as gospel. Among those who followed Serie A closely there was no doubting Cafú was a world class player before he left Roma.

Cafu

He has been the best winger in the [last] decade. His amazing offensive abilities is not surpassed by anyone

http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35510

The Guardian actually referred to him as the weak link in the 1998 World Cup which is in keeping with your perception, but the reality in that tournament itself was quite different.

Achilles' heel: Cafu - the ball-watching right-back was shredded recently by Argentina, and Napoli, relegated from Serie A, sent him back to Brazil for not coming up to scratch.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/france-98-a-team-by-team-guide-1163255.html

Zanetti was terrific and I probably prefer him to, but there's nothing in it between him, Thuram and Cafú. All just superb players with different strengths. Here's Cafú showing off his attacking skills in '93:

 

[Bwuk]

Either Ramos has a secret desire to live in Manchester, or else he's using us to negotiate a new contract. My money is on (b). I'd love to be wrong.

I heard he absolutely loves Coronation Street and wants to live near the stars!

 

[Escobar]

A bit farfetched maybe, but could this Ramos/Madrid standoff be just for show to make us do a deal for De Gea thinking they might give us Ramos? If Ramos sounds interested enough, we sell them De Gea, then Ramos has a 'change of heart' and all is fine between both parties.

I just get the feeling we're being played and it's all too convenient.

Too many here thought that we would play RM here but let's see how all this ends up.

 

[VanGaalEra]

Ramos transfer first, then the two clubs can start discussing DDG.

 

[carvajal]

It seems that the situation has calmed down during last days,in my opinion that doesn't favor United. The climate of total break,drama in press with the player feeling humiliated by the board while creating the image of a greedy guy was perfect but the silence and his mother discarding England is perfect for Madrid

 

[VanGaalEra]

It seems that the situation has calmed down during last days,in my opinion that doesn't favor United. The climate of total break,drama in press with the player feeling humiliated by the board while creating the image of a greedy guy was perfect but the silence and his mother discarding England is perfect for Madrid

Or, this could be being negotiated in the background now.

 

[carvajal]

Or, this could be being negotiated in the background now.

Madrid doesn't need to rush,it's United who must play to qualify for C.L,besides PSG now has money and I wonder what City is planning.I would bet for the easier solution,Ramos staying and United dealing with Mendes for Otamendi

 

[Lennon7]

It seems that the situation has calmed down during last days,in my opinion that doesn't favor United. The climate of total break,drama in press with the player feeling humiliated by the board while creating the image of a greedy guy was perfect but the silence and his mother discarding England is perfect for Madrid

Deals rarely get done straight after a player declares he wants to leave (it only broke a few days ago).There's either a lengthy summer saga or it concludes in the coming weeks.

You just can't bear the thought of him leaving

 

[carvajal]

Deals rarely get done straight after a player declares he wants to leave (it only broke a few days ago).There's either a lengthy summer saga or it concludes in the coming weeks.

You just can't bear the thought of him leaving

,you are right, I try to convince myself.As soon as we get De Gea in a cheap deal we will demand 100m€ for Sergio

 

[darioterios]

Madrid doesn't need to rush,it's United who must play to qualify for C.L,besides PSG now has money and I wonder what City is planning.I would bet for the easier solution,Ramos staying and United dealing with Mendes for Otamendi

To correct a bit PSG always have money, now they can do everything with it no fear of consequences

 

[VanGaalEra]

Madrid doesn't need to rush,it's United who must play to qualify for C.L,besides PSG now has money and I wonder what City is planning.I would bet for the easier solution,Ramos staying and United dealing with Mendes for Otamendi

Either way, I'm happy. Though I want Ramos just to stick it to Madrid (sorry lol).

Ramos only wants United apparently, PSG have defenders (they spent 50M last summer on Luiz, have Silva and Marquinhos) and City have other targets in mind for big money (Pogba, Sterling, KDB).

 

[darioterios]

City have other targets in mind for big money (Pogba, Sterling, KDB).

That's what I'm fearing, seems like only realistic is Sterling, so they would easily want to make a statement of intent by a coup of a signing, in also an area needing significant solidification too

 

[Lennon7]

,you are right, I try to convince myself.As soon as we get De Gea in a cheap deal we will demand 100m€ for Sergio

Seems like Woody isn't just rolling over on De Gea though! I can see him going for €30m+ or maybe, just maybe, not at all this summer.

And they won't demand €100m for a player that wants to leave to a specific club (if true).

 

[VanGaalEra]

That's what I'm fearing, seems like only realistic is Sterling, so they would easily want to make a statement of intent by a coup of a signing, in also an area needing significant solidification too

I think they'll be caught in their own sagas for a while (Pogba will be decided after Barca elections in a few weeks), Sterling looks like dragging for now and KDB could take time also.

Ramos is probably at the back of their minds, if there at all.

 

[carvajal]

Seems like Woody isn't just rolling over on De Gea though! I can see him going for €30m+ or maybe, just maybe, not at all this summer.

And they won't demand €100m for a player that wants to leave to a specific club (if true).

Of course 100 is unrealistic but 40/45 for a spaniard,3top CB and National team next captain is unrealistic too,despite his age

 

[darioterios]

I think they'll be caught in their own sagas for a while (Pogba will be decided after Barca elections in a few weeks), Sterling looks like dragging for now and KDB could take time also.

Ramos is probably at the back of their minds, if there at all.

I have a different reasoning, they will push for Ramos at the same time to salvage the threat of looking stupid, and if success will in turn push the other guys to come

 

[Dracula]

@carvajal

Do you guys think de gea is worth all this hassle?
It's turned into a bit of a circus (though in fairness you guys are more used to that than we are) and the whole ramos thing can't be good for the dressing room etc.

I'm surprised madrid havent turned round and just said 'feck it, not worth it'. Theres plenty of good keepers out there, I'm not sure de gea is worth the hassle. Is there a point at which you'd take that view?

 

[NK86]

Of course 100 is unrealistic but 40/45 for a spaniard,3top CB and National team next captain is unrealistic too,despite his age

The same can be said about DDG, who is already a top 3 GK at his age, undoubted Spanish #1 for the next 10 years and RM would be getting a GK yet to enter his prime for the next 10 years. Then how are you guys valuing him less than Ramos?

 

[Lennon7]

Of course 100 is unrealistic but 40/45 for a spaniard,3top CB and National team next captain is unrealistic too,despite his age

Not if he wants to leave!

 

[NK86]

Madrid doesn't need to rush,it's United who must play to qualify for C.L,besides PSG now has money and I wonder what City is planning.I would bet for the easier solution,Ramos staying and United dealing with Mendes for Otamendi

You can keep Ramos and we will keep DDG and buy Otamendi. Win-win for us

 

[carvajal]

@carvajal

Do you guys think de gea is worth all this hassle?
It's turned into a bit of a circus (though in fairness you guys are more used to that than we are) and the whole ramos thing can't be good for the dressing room etc.

I'm surprised madrid havent turned round and just said 'feck it, not worth it'. Theres plenty of good keepers out there, I'm not sure de gea is worth the hassle. Is there a point at which you'd take that view?

Honestly 2 years ago I already imagined deGea as our next keeper.Compared with other transfers this is not being so noisy in a bad sense.Of course is worthy,one of the best keepers in the world,a great improvement to the team and spaniard.As United is used to get the best british players Madrid also needs to keep a good amount of spanish stars

 

[Verminator]

@carvajal

Do you guys think de gea is worth all this hassle?
It's turned into a bit of a circus (though in fairness you guys are more used to that than we are) and the whole ramos thing can't be good for the dressing room etc.

I'm surprised madrid havent turned round and just said 'feck it, not worth it'. Theres plenty of good keepers out there, I'm not sure de gea is worth the hassle. Is there a point at which you'd take that view?

Good question.
They dont seem to value him very highly. So surely could just move on to someone else to avoid a saga.

 

[VanGaalEra]

I have a different reasoning, they will push for Ramos at the same time to salvage the threat of looking stupid, and if success will in turn push the other guys to come

Can't see them doing that, they can push for Ramos but they'll still have to wait for the outcomes of their other transfer.

I can't see them getting Ramos for 40M and then, if their other targets come to fruition, still getting them. That would be Ramos 40, Pogba 70, Sterling 50 and KDB 35. That's 200M on 4 players.

 

[carvajal]

The same can be said about DDG, who is already a top 3 GK at his age, undoubted Spanish #1 for the next 10 years and RM would be getting a GK yet to enter his prime for the next 10 years. Then how are you guys valuing him less than Ramos?

You are right but the general idea is that the goalkeepers are not usually so expensive,besides the extension of the contract provokes that fans think that is not necessary to pay so much

 

[diarm]

You'd be mad not to think De Gea was worth every penny of what they end up paying for him. You're getting an irrefutably world class keeper, already developed and with his whole career ahead of him. Essentially they are making the same move that Juventus did 15 years ago when they bought Buffon. They spent £30million then and would look back now and say he was worth every penny and more.

Incidentally, £30million in 2001 is equivalent to £45million today. Yet people are scoffing at the idea of De Gea being worth £35mil

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

You'd be mad not to think De Gea was worth every penny of what they end up paying for him. You're getting an irrefutably world class keeper, already developed and with his whole career ahead of him. Essentially they are making the same move that Juventus did 15 years ago when they bought Buffon. They spent £30million then and would look back now and say he was worth every penny and more.

Incidentally, £30million in 2001 is equivalent to £45million today. Yet people are scoffing at the idea of De Gea being worth £35mil

But they are effectively only paying for a one season loan.

 

[Chaky_Best]

It's very good that we're asking a high fee for De Gea, just like Madrid asked us for Di Maria, but for once we're trying to competing with us rather than giving them our players (Ruud, Heinze, Becks, CR)

Just hope that their need to buy De Gea is greater than their need to keep Ramos.

One of the best defender in the world is linked to United, and know what we need a defender. To good to be true

That's exactly why I think that De Gea will leave for 30M€ and Ramos will be given the armband, he will get his prolongation a little pay rise (not what he asked) and will be the hero that stayed in Madrid for the love of the fan, his country etc....

And we'll active the mighty Ron Vlaar or De Vrij....

We saw earlier LVG saying that we try to do our business quick and in silence... Quick, definetly not, and in silence maybe. I just think that we're chasing big players, in order to make the may of fuss, focusing the media on wrong players.

But what is dangerous with this strategy is that fans, we believe that big players will come, and in fact it's not.

 

[NK86]

You are right but the general idea is that the goalkeepers are not usually so expensive,besides the extension of the contract provokes that fans think that is not necessary to pay so much

What extension?

 

[cyberman]

It's quiet because Ramos is on holiday
Watch this explode again in a week

 

[littlepeasoup]

Ramos transfer first, then the two clubs can start discussing DDG.

It's like prisoner transfer. We can do it on the bridge over the canal on Sir Matt Busby Way.

 

[diarm]

But they are effectively only paying for a one season loan.

They're also paying to ensure they don't have other clubs offering him enormous money as a free agent in 6 months time. Offers he can use in contract negotiations. They're paying to ensure he doesn't change his mind if he breaks up with his girlfriend next month, or if United sign a few world class players this summer and become a dominant force in Europe again. They're also paying now because they know it's quite conceivable they might not be allowed to register new players this time next year.

 

[Enigma_87]

Good question.
They dont seem to value him very highly. So surely could just move on to someone else to avoid a saga.

why?

Madrid loves the hassle and the noise. It's well worth it. They will be getting one of the best keepers for peanuts.
And unfortunately they hold all the cards - he wants to go there because it's his home, only one year left on his contract and it's not like we can create a competition for signing him as it's unlikely that DDG will go anywhere else.

 

[Crustanoid]

It's very good that we're asking a high fee for De Gea, just like Madrid asked us for Di Maria, but for once we're trying to competing with us rather than giving them our players (Ruud, Heinze, Becks, CR)


And we'll active the mighty Ron Vlaar or De Vrij....

We saw earlier LVG saying that we try to do our business quick and in silence... Quick, definetly not, and in silence maybe. I just think that we're chasing big players, in order to make the may of fuss, focusing the media on wrong players.

But what is dangerous with this strategy is that fans, we believe that big players will come, and in fact it's not.

I like this idea. We could fool a lot of people.

United: 'Media people, we're after some quality midfielders this summer'

Media go off and concoct a raft of stories about us targeting the likes of Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin et al.

A few weeks later

United: 'Meet our new midfielder, Joey Barton....bet that fooled you all, aren't we clever.'

 

[carvajal]

What extension?

If David had a contract until 2020 everything would be different.His price might be 75/80m€ but in a year he will be free.The relationship between clubs is better than people thinks and Madrid had an awful season so at the end United will get a fair amount

 

[VanGaalEra]

It's like prisoner transfer. We can do it on the bridge over the canal on Sir Matt Busby Way.

I don't trust the fecking bastards.

 

[glazed]

I heard he absolutely loves Coronation Street and wants to live near the stars!

I heard he likes the rain and the backs of fridges. And his girlfriend is from Salford.

 

[glazed]

One of the best defender in the world is linked to United, and know what we need a defender. To good to be true

This. It's a ruse.

 

[Crackers]

I don't trust the fecking bastards.

Might as well send Jones to do the negotiations then.