Sergej Milinkovic Savic

DWelbz19 said:
I thought there was some sort of unwritten custom that Italian teams were happier to sell to each other to keep to league competitive as opposed to selling abroad? I seem to remember that sort of rhetoric during the Bonucci to Milan stuff.
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Nope, not even close. Bonucci was sold to Milan because he wanted to stay in Italy for family reasons. Juventus were forced to sell him to Milan. It's also a very different dynamic, Juventus and Milan have good relations. Also Juventus are generally unconcerned about strenghtening the opposition because they're so far ahead of the pack they simply aren't worried(and also, they understand it works in their interest for the milan clubs to get back to the top. Though deals with Inter are a lot more complicated because the clubs hate each other. They'll sell fringe players to each other, but a player like Bonucci would not have been sold to Inter).
Lotito and Juventus hate each other on the other hand
 
Trizy said:
Ibrahimovic and Pirlo comes to mind.
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Ibra was a special case due to the circumstances, and the player's will was key.

Pirlo at the time had failed at inter. Simply put inter believed him to be a bust(and they were not alone. That was the general feeling on him at the time in Italy). Also, it was the early 00s, when clubs used to do these kinds of deals with fringe players all the time, overinflating the prices to cook the books
 
giorno said:
Ibra was a special case due to the circumstances, and the player's will was key.

Pirlo at the time had failed at inter. Simply put inter believed him to be a bust(and they were not alone. That was the general feeling on him at the time in Italy). Also, it was the early 00s, when clubs used to do these kinds of deals with fringe players all the time, overinflating the prices to cook the books
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Overinflate prices? Pirlo was a free both times I believe. Inter to Milan then Milan to Juventus. Anyway the list of these transfers are an arm long.
 
DWelbz19 said:
I thought there was some sort of unwritten custom that Italian teams were happier to sell to each other to keep to league competitive as opposed to selling abroad? I seem to remember that sort of rhetoric during the Bonucci to Milan stuff.
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He only wanted to stay in Italy as his Son is ill and didn't want to move their family away.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Probably because we've got Fred, which means we don't really need him, unless we're changing formation or Pogba is leaving.

I personally dont think any of the above is going to happen and believe our midfield three will be Pogba, Fred and Matic.

If we are going to sign another midfielder, it will most likely be a promising midfielder.
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Pogba doesn't need to leave. If we sign him up we can play all midfielders in a diamond shape:
Sanchez Lukaku
Pogba
Milinkovic-Savic Fred
Matic​
Then if we have proper full backs we'd be looking good to go.

I hope "Double D" can be one of the kind of full backs we require to make this formation work.
 
Mainoldo said:
Overinflate prices? Pirlo was a free both times I believe. Inter to Milan then Milan to Juventus. Anyway the list of these transfers are an arm long.
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Pirlo cost Milan €18m euros plus i don't remember which fringe player who was arbitrarily valued at something like €10m IIRC. And at the time he was seen as a massive talent who however couldn't make it at inter and was onlu good for smaller clubs(in hindsight, the problem was his position. He started out and was seen as a #10, but wasn't good enough in that role for a big club. Then at Brescia the great Carletto Mazzone moved him in the DPL role where he was really good right away. However, for Brescia and Reggina he was also equally good as a #10, and the impact of the change in position flew over most people's heads. Milan themselves saw him as a #10 initially, Pirlo had to tell Ancelotti to try him in the DPL role).
Second time was a free. He was 31 coming off a big injury and a number of disappointing seasons for milan. Milan felt he was done and refused to offer him more than a 1 year extension, so he went to juventus who offered him 3 years.
 
giorno said:
Pirlo cost Milan €18m euros plus i don't remember which fringe player who was arbitrarily valued at something like €10m IIRC. And at the time he was seen as a massive talent who however couldn't make it at inter and was onlu good for smaller clubs(in hindsight, the problem was his position. He started out and was seen as a #10, but wasn't good enough in that role for a big club. Then at Brescia the great Carletto Mazzone moved him in the DPL role where he was really good right away. However, for Brescia and Reggina he was also equally good as a #10, and the impact of the change in position flew over most people's heads. Milan themselves saw him as a #10 initially, Pirlo had to tell Ancelotti to try him in the DPL role).
Second time was a free. He was 31 coming off a big injury and a number of disappointing seasons for milan. Milan felt he was done and refused to offer him more than a 1 year extension, so he went to juventus who offered him 3 years.
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I was about to say he had a Scholes like career with regards to positions. I’m sure his first few games with Milan he was a striker well Italian number 10 as it was back in the day, which was a lot more advance than today’s number 10’s.
 
Mainoldo said:
I was about to say he had a Scholes like career with regards to positions. I’m sure his first few games with Milan he was a striker well Italian number 10 as it was back in the day, which was a lot more advance than today’s number 10’s.
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Yeah, as i said milan signed him as a #10. Then Rui Costa got injured right away so they had to plug him there for a while. He wasn't very good. After Rui Costa came back(and then gattuso and Ambrosini got injured instead) Ancelotti was finally able to play him in front of the defence. Pirlo himself and Ancelotti were the only two guys at Milan who saw him in that role though, before he truly made it his

Inter selling him to Milan at the time was like i dunno, Chelsea selling RLC to Arsenal for £60-70m...
 
Bearded One said:
Pogba doesn't need to leave. If we sign him up we can play all midfielders in a diamond shape:
Sanchez Lukaku
Pogba
Milinkovic-Savic Fred
Matic​
Then if we have proper full backs we'd be looking good to go.

I hope "Double D" can be one of the kind of full backs we require to make this formation work.
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I keep seeing these winger-less formations all over the Cafe we’ve got no chance of playing that and we’d suck at it.

Our state of play is already non existent and a formation like that requires intricate passing through the middle of the pitch can you imagine our lot trying to play that formation it would be hilarious.
 
Castia said:
I keep seeing these winger-less formations all over the Cafe we’ve got no chance of playing that and we’d suck at it.

Our state of play is already non existent and a formation like that requires intricate passing through the middle of the pitch can you imagine our lot trying to play that formation it would be hilarious.
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Also the team would be obliterated in the Champions League.
 
Castia said:
I keep seeing these winger-less formations all over the Cafe we’ve got no chance of playing that and we’d suck at it.

Our state of play is already non existent and a formation like that requires intricate passing through the middle of the pitch can you imagine our lot trying to play that formation it would be hilarious.
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If you have the right players on board, the play will be better. I can also see Pogba and Fred playing on either sides in the middle whilst SMS plays at the tip.

I think you're exaggerating the problem and I even remember Liverpool using this kind of formation and doing very well with it without any stand out passmaster when they ran City close to the title. I wouldn't mention Gerrard, Henderson, Lallana and some other bloke, Sterling I think in the league of passmasters.
That was 2014-15 season I believe.
 
Charles Miller said:
Also the team would be obliterated in the Champions League.
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Real have width with their full backs. Marcelo is basically a winger. Kross and Modric can link midfield-attack very fast and with precision. Benzema is not a traditional 9, is very mobile and can open a lot of spaces in attack.

To play without width these days against stronger teams is a huge risk. Look Juventus in the final against Real.
 
Yagami said:
Yeah, as @giorno said he's matured a lot this season. Savic may get all the headlines and Immobile may get all the goals, and whilst they're rightly being praised, I think L.Alberto should get a lot more than he does. For me, he was their most important player this year; more so than the other two, in my opinion.

When they went counter attacking, he was great at holding up the ball, playing the right passes, driving the ball forwards and even scoring himself as a sort of SS. When they went to a more possession based approach, he was great at dictating the play and playing some amazing killer passes. They could play both styles to a good standard and he was a key reason as to why, in my opinion.

He also seems like a big winner. Always trying to the end - never happy with himself making the odd bad decision even if they're like 3/4 goals up with a minute to go. A very vocal player on the pitch.

The fact that you are echoing my thoughts is nice as you're a very knowledgeable poster - especially when it comes to Serie A (& La Liga of course). :)


I was going to say I couldn't see Martial fitting in anywhere with the formation they play but realised that if F.Anderson joins West Ham which is looking likely, and we of course get Savic in return, he could play as a 10/SS which I believe he'd like as he wants to play more central, right? With L.Alberto permanently taking up the deeper CM role as an 8 that Savic occupies.

I'd like to see Martial in a role like that but I think it'd be a bad decision on our part. Even if José isn't too keen on Martial, I still think he'd be of more use to us next season than Savic. Who knows, though - I guess it all depends on who José gets so we'll have to wait and see.
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Thanks for that. Obviously you know a lot more about serie A than i do! :). That goes to show that sometimes a players needs different environment to thrive! Good for him
 
Velvet Revolver said:
Thanks for that. Obviously you know a lot more about serie A than i do! :). That goes to show that sometimes a players needs different environment to thrive! Good for him
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Ha, you're welcome but I don't know too much about Serie A! I just watched a lot of Lazio last year, a bit of Inter & Milan, and maybe the odd game of other Italian teams here and there.
 
Castia said:
I keep seeing these winger-less formations all over the Cafe we’ve got no chance of playing that and we’d suck at it.

Our state of play is already non existent and a formation like that requires intricate passing through the middle of the pitch can you imagine our lot trying to play that formation it would be hilarious.
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To be honest, in play, we more or less play like that anyway.

Sanchez tucks in, as does Lingard. We're very narrow, which is why struggle to break teams down, who defend deep and compact.
 
Better still if we have a player like Eriksen (not attainable I know) or a Draxler playing on the tip of the diamond with Pogba and Fred on either side and Matic behind for balance and control, there'd be enough creativity.

Just look at Spurs' team two seasons ago. They scored tons of goals without being big on wingers. I know Kane really helped but truth is its never compulsory to play with wingers.

If we add good fullbacks, our attack would be so dynamic because we can either go wide, cross and nod or we can utilise the middle with players like Pogba and Draxler finding space and making killer passes and a Fred or Pogba arriving to the box to finish cut backs.

Also I think we would get the best from Sanchez who loves to come in anyway. So long as we have proper full backs, I think it would work. Here's hoping that double D is one of the right men for this task.
 
Bearded One said:
Better still if we have a player like Eriksen (not attainable I know) or a Draxler playing on the tip of the diamond with Pogba and Fred on either side and Matic behind for balance and control, there'd be enough creativity.

Just look at Spurs' team two seasons ago. They scored tons of goals without being big on wingers. I know Kane really helped but truth is its never compulsory to play with wingers.

If we add good fullbacks, our attack would be so dynamic because we can either go wide, cross and nod or we can utilise the middle with players like Pogba and Draxler finding space and making killer passes and a Fred or Pogba arriving to the box to finish cut backs.

Also I think we would get the best from Sanchez who loves to come in anyway. So long as we have proper full backs, I think it would work. Here's hoping that double D is one of the right men for this task.
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Draxler is a good shout. He hasn't lived up to the immense hype, but he's still a very talented player and PSG need to sell.
 
Kearnkoff69 said:
Draxler is a good shout. He hasn't lived up to the immense hype, but he's still a very talented player and PSG need to sell.
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I think there's too much talent up front at PSG that he can hardly get game time. The lad is very good that much I know.
 
DWelbz19 said:
I thought there was some sort of unwritten custom that Italian teams were happier to sell to each other to keep to league competitive as opposed to selling abroad? I seem to remember that sort of rhetoric during the Bonucci to Milan stuff.
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I don't think they would always prefer to sell to Italian teams, but their is export tax for club from overseas. At same price they don't mind selling to domestic rivals
 
Has had some nice touches, looks like their best player, but this Serbia side is 99% physical 1% creative.
 
Would love him here but yeah, we need other positions. He'd be a luxury signing, albeit a massive one.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
€150m :lol:
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Ridiculous and pure fairytale from Lazio and his agent. He will go for half of that amount or less to someone like Juve. United have absolutely no need for him, he couldn’t play alongside Pogba and Pogba is the far better player. May as well just close this thread.
 
Savic is exactly what we're missing. I'd love him at United.

His ability to bridge midfield to attack, and the directness of his passing are things thay nobody else in our midfield can do. Certainly not Pogba.

We're not a tiki taka team. People need to get over that. In a Mourinho system, a player like Lampard, Ballack or even Fellaini is an important piece of the puzzle. Not every team needs a controlling passer. Least of all us.
 
ChaddyP said:
Mad to think that some people on here still judge players using one game in an international tournament
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We aren’t. It’s just very obvious he’s not the style of player that we need and he couldn’t play alongside Pogba effectively, so it would be pointless.

United need a deep lying play maker, who controls the midfield, to replace Carrick in the squad and to rotate with Matic or possibly sit beside him in big games. Not another attacking style player who would fill the same areas of the pitch as Pogba.
 
Dante said:
Savic is exactly what we're missing. I'd love him at United.

His ability to bridge midfield to attack, and the directness of his passing are things thay nobody else in our midfield can do. Certainly not Pogba.

We're not a tiki taka team. People need to get over that. In a Mourinho system, a player like Lampard, Ballack or even Fellaini is an important piece of the puzzle. Not every team needs a controlling passer. Least of all us.
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I'd say a Carrick-type of player would do wonders for United.
 
Dante said:
Savic is exactly what we're missing. I'd love him at United.

His ability to bridge midfield to attack, and the directness of his passing are things thay nobody else in our midfield can do. Certainly not Pogba.

We're not a tiki taka team. People need to get over that. In a Mourinho system, a player like Lampard, Ballack or even Fellaini is an important piece of the puzzle. Not every team needs a controlling passer. Least of all us.
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Fred.

VorZakone said:
I'd say a Carrick-type of player would do wonders for United.
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