Sean Longstaff

[amolbhatia50k]

Jack Grealish is 3x the player that Longstaff is. He is Villa Captain at just 23. He has played 184 first team matches. He has played for England U21's 7 times. Spurs are in the process of signing him for 30m. Longstaff at 25m doesn't seem a good deal to me. Would rather sign a big fish in a small pond, than a whatshisface who isn't even in the first team at Newcastle.

A more established player doesn't necessarily mean a better player. Fair enough if you actually rate Grealish as better but your post appears to be extremely dismissive for the sake of it.

So he has only 9 games in the premier league? If so, how is £25m cheap? The direction we are going is scary.

It's not cheap but it depends on our valuation of his talent. Would you accept 20 million for Greenwood?

 

[Gandalf]

Hilarious to see all the comments in here about how insane it is to be paying 25m for potential and then flip over to the Harry Maguire thread and read all the comments about how shit we are for not buying him earlier and recognizing his potential.

 

[Wheato]

Please feel free to name these new Rooney Ronaldo players who are available this summer? A club can only buy who is available or who they can do a deal for. Sancho isn’t happening this summer.
I’m hoping we can do a deal with Real for Pogba and pick up one of their better young players as part of the deal.
Longstaff was generally very impressive in his 11 appearances. I’d be happy if we signed him, he could be very good for James and Rashford with his range of passing.

Maddison, Grealish, Wan Bissaka, Ake, Neves, Gibbs-White, Ryan Sessegnon.....Spurs will sign them and we will try and sign them in 3-4 years for double the price they paid.

 

[VP89]

Jack Grealish is 3x the player that Longstaff is. He is Villa Captain at just 23. He has played 184 first team matches. He has played for England U21's 7 times. Spurs are in the process of signing him for 30m. Longstaff at 25m doesn't seem a good deal to me. Would rather sign a big fish in a small pond, than a whatshisface who isn't even in the first team at Newcastle.

Very different players. Grealish operates further up the pitch. If we were linked with him I'd question the need for someone like Bruno. Not Longstaff.

 

[dove]

A more established player doesn't necessarily mean a better player. Fair enough if you actually rate Grealish as better but your post appears to be extremely dismissive for the sake of it.


It's not cheap but it depends on our valuation of his talent. Would you accept 20 million for Greenwood?

I haven't seen Greenwood that much so I cannot give a price tag and I don't mind getting Longstaff if he is REALLY talented player. I am just worried that we will sign 4-5 "young and British" players with potential and throw them straight into starting XI even thought they are not ready yet.

 

[Wheato]

Literally none of that is true.

Levy is trying to sign him, especially if Eriksen goes.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Please feel free to name these new Rooney Ronaldo players who are available this summer? A club can only buy who is available or who they can do a deal for. Sancho isn’t happening this summer.
I’m hoping we can do a deal with Real for Pogba and pick up one of their better young players as part of the deal.
Longstaff was generally very impressive in his 11 appearances. I’d be happy if we signed him, he could be very good for James and Rashford with his range of passing.

It’s not my full time job to name those talents. We have a lot of people hired by the club who’s job is exactly that and they’ve been failing (hopefully Dalot can continue to kick on though)

I hadn’t heard of Mbappe the season before he tore up World Football with Monaco. Nor had I heard of Ronaldo before the friendly vs Sporting

There’s talent out there now in the 15-18 bracket who are going to be World Class in 5-10 years. And I want our club, if our new transfer policy is indeed to sign the best young players, to be going identifying that talent.

I don’t think even Solskjaer would tell you that the clubs identified 21 year old James from Swansea as the next Bale. He’s likely seen as a long term squad option with the right attitude, stamina and pace. We can’t just go for the latter, a United team looking to challenge in 3 seasons time will need World Class players too. Fergie never won a league without World Class players throughout his squad

 

[devilish]

I've seen Henderson, Milner, Maguire, Carrick etc all widely ridiculed on here as not being MU quality before they went to bigger clubs.

It's impressive that some fans will come on here and state that they are convinced he'll be nothing more than a squad player, after watching a 5 minute YouTube clip of him.

Add Lampard to the mix

 

[LonelyFire]

Levy is trying to sign him, especially if Eriksen goes.

I highly doubt that - and there is no chance it would be 30m. Villa would want far more than that and the player is not going to push to leave with them just being promoted. That deal will not happen this summer.

 

[Infestissumam]

There’s talent out there now in the 15-18 bracket who are going to be World Class in 5-10 years. And I want our club, if our new transfer policy is indeed to sign the best young players, to be going identifying that talent.

they are working hard to get players in that age bracket tbf. They've just signed a great talent in Hoogewerf, and they are working hard to get Mejbri.

 

[Wheato]

Very different players. Grealish operates further up the pitch. If we were linked with him I'd question the need for someone like Bruno. Not Longstaff.

But Longstaff as our holding midfielder is a really big leap into the dark. It is the one area of the pitch where you should be trying to stick an experienced player like Tanguy Ndombele. You'd give him the keys to your car and let him drive your family home. Longstaff is an unknown quantity at this level.

 

[VP89]

But Longstaff as our holding midfielder is a really big leap into the dark. It is the one area of the pitch where you should be trying to stick an experienced player like Tanguy Ndombele. You'd give him the keys to your car and let him drive your family home. Longstaff is an unknown quantity at this level.

Ndombele is proven in the French league and he's barely played for 2 seasons. How is that jump not just as big when compared to a player who has shone in England against most if not all oppositions in the Premier League 18/19?

On one hand you're talking about a Championship player for Villa being a better choice despite 1) playing in a different part of the pitch and 2) not having proper Premier League experience to go by. Then you jump to Ndombele who isn't even proven outside of France.

For what it's worth Ndombele is probably likely to do well in England, but so is Longstaff. The risks aren't much different between the two. Reportedly the price would be. This season I'm more impressed by what I see from Longstaff anyway. He's a very good midfielder and stepped up seamlessly to the role this season.

 

[bonothom]

Ole's building a team that can battle relegation. Good idea.

 

[Mani]

But Longstaff as our holding midfielder is a really big leap into the dark. It is the one area of the pitch where you should be trying to stick an experienced player like Tanguy Ndombele. You'd give him the keys to your car and let him drive your family home. Longstaff is an unknown quantity at this level.

Then lets go with double pivot of Longstaff and McTominay.

 

[Bogga]

When we signed Jones and Smalling they were good young prospects. Ashley Young was always meant to be a good squad player. I'll never understand why we offered him great big contracts when they turned out not to be all that, or were past it.

That's our fault for keep giving them contracts, we could get rid of them if we really wanted to.

Yeah... and that's exactly what's going to happen. He'll be a fringe player at best and somehow get a new contract with high wages. Not a single person had heard of him prior to us being linked to him a month back... and suddenly he's the next Carrick

 

[VP89]

Yeah... and that's exactly what's going to happen. He'll be a fringe player at best and somehow get a new contract with high wages. Not a single person had heard of him prior to us being linked to him a month back... and suddenly he's the next Carrick

That's bullshit - a lot of posters had referenced his performances in other threads before the season ended.

The Carrick comparison is more because of Micheal being from Newcastle and operating in a similar position. His potential is just as good, whether he reaches it or not is another matter. That goes without saying.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Ndombele is proven in the French league and he's barely played for 2 seasons. How is that jump not just as big when compared to a player who has shone in England against most if not all oppositions in the Premier League 18/19?

On one hand you're talking about a Championship player for Villa being a better choice despite 1) playing in a different part of the pitch and 2) not having proper Premier League experience to go by. Then you jump to Ndombele who isn't even proven outside of France.

For what it's worth Ndombele is probably likely to do well in England, but so is Longstaff. The risks aren't much different between the two. Reportedly the price would be. This season I'm more impressed by what I see from Longstaff anyway. He's a very good midfielder and stepped up seamlessly to the role this season.

NDombele has 98 apperances for Lyon in two seasons including the Europa League and Champions League. He is a lot more proven than Longstaff.

 

[Stobzilla]

Yeah... and that's exactly what's going to happen. He'll be a fringe player at best and somehow get a new contract with high wages. Not a single person had heard of him prior to us being linked to him a month back... and suddenly he's the next Carrick

No, YOU hadn't. Don't lump those of us pay attention to young domestic talent in with your own ignorance.

 

[2mufc0]

Yeah... and that's exactly what's going to happen. He'll be a fringe player at best and somehow get a new contract with high wages. Not a single person had heard of him prior to us being linked to him a month back... and suddenly he's the next Carrick

So you agree with my point that the club is to blame.

Na he's been praised for his performances ever since he made his first appearance. One of the Newcastle fans said he was probably their best player in every game he played in. He's been linked with us for over a month now too

 

[Cassidy]

Yeah... and that's exactly what's going to happen. He'll be a fringe player at best and somehow get a new contract with high wages. Not a single person had heard of him prior to us being linked to him a month back... and suddenly he's the next Carrick

Were you living under a rock when he was playing for Newcastle and getting very good reviews. Where MOTD even did a section on him and one presenter even went as far to say he was a bigger talent than Rice?

 

[VP89]

NDombele has 98 apperances for Lyon in two seasons including the Europa League and Champions League. He is a lot more proven than Longstaff.

Very good point, I overlooked the European experience. Even still, I'd take Longstaff given the reported fee of 25m.

Again, I'm caveat-ing that Newcastle probably won't sell for that and I highly doubt Longstaff is interested.

 

[2mufc0]

NDombele has 98 apperances for Lyon in two seasons including the Europa League and Champions League. He is a lot more proven than Longstaff.

Yeah he is, but I think he's off elsewhere. We can't sign whoever we want there are so many factors. He will also go for a lot more than Longstaff.

 

[bonothom]

Ndombele doesn't fit Ole's profile. He's not British. Even if we have to raid Crewe for our British talent, that's the future.

 

[Dante]

 

[Gandalf]

Ndombele doesn't fit Ole's profile. He's not British. Even if we have to raid Crewe for our British talent, that's the future.

That is Brexit in action. United will not be the only team padding their squad with British players once BoJo finally opens the trap door later this year but I am not about to go all political in a football thread.

We are in for plenty of foreign players too, the window is open for another 7 weeks for us and even longer for the continent so as much as we want it to happen we are not going to see lots of deals agreed in the next few days. I don't actually think this deal is anywhere near close, AWB was close a few days ago, Bruno was close a few days before that. The pundits are just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping something sticks but all of these players are potential signings and it will be a couple more weeks at least before we get some real concrete news on most.

We could sign AWB, Maguire, Longstaff, Rice and Maddison confirming your theory but it is just as likely that when the dust settles we sign Cancelo, Skriniar, Rabiot, Fernandes and van de Beek. They are all options we are considering and how they fit alongside one another in a system and who we end up selling will have far more bearing on which deals we complete than the players nationality.

 

[Zlatattack]

Yeah... and that's exactly what's going to happen. He'll be a fringe player at best and somehow get a new contract with high wages. Not a single person had heard of him prior to us being linked to him a month back... and suddenly he's the next Carrick

What qualifications do you have to judge the ability of a professional footballer?

Are you a coach? a scout? Have you played professionally? You sound like a pissed of mystic meg whining because out transfer policy doesn't follow the same path as your save-game on FIFA. How are you in any way capable of saying how good or bad he will be?

 

[Ikon]

Just heard an interesting point of view...

Someone said to me, why would he sign for Manchester United, with all of their turmoil, when Newcastle will soon be injected with Arab billions and could become the next Manchester City.

 

[AltiUn]

Just heard an interesting point of view...

Someone said to me, why would he sign for Manchester United, with all of their turmoil, when Newcastle will soon be injected with Arab billions and could become the next Manchester City.

City took a decade to get where they are today, the competition is a lot fiercer now, assuming Newcastle’s trajectory would follow the same timeline by the time Newcastle even got to City’s level (I doubt they’ll ever break the top 8) Longstaff’s career could nearly be done.

 

[red4ever 79]

This is our Summer business really? David James and Neville Longbottom.

I wouldnt have a problem with such signings if we were signing these ontop of what we need. We need at minimum 5 new first team players. RB, CB, CDM, RW, ST

 

[Gandalf]

This is our Summer business really? David James and Neville Longbottom.

I wouldnt have a problem with such signings if we were signing these ontop of what we need. We need at minimum 5 new first team players. RB, CB, CDM, RW, ST

Doubt this deal is real, no credible sources are reporting it and I doubt Newcastle will be selling anyone before the takeover is resolved one way or another. The consistent message has been we will sign 2 or 3 players like James this summer along with a couple of more proven names and then repeat for the next couple of windows.

 

[RedSky]

So we're gambling on a player who only started 8 games for Newcastle last season and got injured? Risky. Fine if we think he's squad player material but surely we have enough squad material?

 

[dev1l]

One thing I learned during the Fergie years was that most of his decisions were not popular with fans.
Decisions which are popular with fans are usually short sighted and lead to nowhere even more when most people comment on players whom they never saw playing.

 

[UncleBob]

This is our Summer business really?

Is it august already ?

 

[Infestissumam]

writing him off before he even signs (if he does), I see.

Many fans of this club will claim they want young players and develop a team, but then are too spoiled and impatient when the club actually goes that route.

 

[red4ever 79]

Doubt this deal is real, no credible sources are reporting it and I doubt Newcastle will be selling anyone before the takeover is resolved one way or another. The consistent message has been we will sign 2 or 3 players like James this summer along with a couple of more proven names and then repeat for the next couple of windows.

Shocking strategy from the club if that is the case. I have no problem buying these young english players, but they can only be squad players surely. We need a rebuild in the same agressive way Real have gone about their business this year. 2-3 first team players will do nothing for us especially if we lose De Gea, Pogba or Lukaku,

 

[Toad]

Shocking strategy from the club if that is the case. I have no problem buying these young english players, but they can only be squad players surely. We need a rebuild in the same agressive way Real have gone about their business this year. 2-3 first team players will do nothing for us especially if we lose De Gea, Pogba or Lukaku,

Most likely De Gea, Pogba and Lukaku.

 

[Sandikan]

Always thought he was a bit unfairly lampooned with this comment.

If we'd played that lineup v Villa v everyone we certainly wouldn't have won anything!

Bruce, Cole, Giggs and Cantona out!

 

[MUFC OK]

Most likely De Gea, Pogba and Lukaku.

Replace them with Cillessen, Longstaff and someone from the academy Anyone seen my tin hat?

 

[MUFC OK]

So we're gambling on a player who only started 8 games for Newcastle last season and got injured? Risky. Fine if we think he's squad player material but surely we have enough squad material?

No pretty sure he'd be an integral squad member and probably play 40 games. I'd laugh at any of our rivals for making this signing.

 

[Gandalf]

Shocking strategy from the club if that is the case. I have no problem buying these young english players, but they can only be squad players surely. We need a rebuild in the same agressive way Real have gone about their business this year. 2-3 first team players will do nothing for us especially if we lose De Gea, Pogba or Lukaku,

The 2-3 first team players was discussed before the possibility of DDG, Pogba and Lukaku came up. I am sure if we sell any of those players they will be replaced but if they do stay then 2 to 3 players makes sense right now along with some younger prospects. There are very few sure things out there and we are not in a position to attract the best players this summer having failed to secure CL football. If we go on a mad spending spree this summer we will not be able to do so next year when better alternatives may be available such as Sancho. Steady progress and a top 4 position will make us much easier to sell to prospective signings in 12 months time and that is very achievable.