Eh? He did win it I believe or the Writer's award anyway.
Seamus Coleman
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"Sky sources" really are becoming as bad as the tabloids but I hope they're right on this one
He won it during one of Carrick's better season.
Crazy eh? They used to be reliable but clearly not anymore.
Yes please. Is he world class? Probably not, but I think he'd improve our first team a lot. I love Tony but a lot of our daft moments seemed to stem from the right side toward the end of last season.
A bit like Schneiderlin for me, he'd be a solid if not spectacular signing. We need a right back and he seems to be a lot more consistent than Clyne imo.
A bit like Schneiderlin for me, he'd be a solid if not spectacular signing. We need a right back and he seems to be a lot more consistent than Clyne imo.
Nope. He won the young player award in 2003/2004 and the writers award in 2010/2011 like @Kevin said.
He's never won PFA player of the year.
This signing would please me
My bad, but he was in the team of the year, right?
He's very good going forward but defensively leaves a lot to be desired, at times.
I'd take him, as I can't see many viable alternatives knocking about, but only for a reasonable price. Everton aren't pulling our pants down again.
I'd take him, as I can't see many viable alternatives knocking about, but only for a reasonable price. Everton aren't pulling our pants down again.
That opinion kinda answers itself there...
I may be being stupidly romantic, but I'd go with Varela next year. No difference to when we went with Rafael. Varela is a top talent and deserves a chance if the likes of McNair and Blackett can get one.
http://www.transfermarkt.fr/seamus-coleman/verletzungen/spieler/68390
Not a bad injury record, no serious damages. We could use his consistence but question remains if his actual quality matches LVG's United standards.
Not a bad injury record, no serious damages. We could use his consistence but question remains if his actual quality matches LVG's United standards.
There's literally no downside to signing Coleman. He's the definition of "Premier League proven" and immediately improves our starting XI.
Hope it happen. Evans + 5m should do it.
I hope we don't sign him especially if the price tag is right. Valencia gets a lot of criticism here but isn't as much of a weak link as people make out.
The only thing disapointing me with Valencia recently has been his crossing but I wouldn't say Coleman is much of an upgrade if at all. The last time I watched Coleman play for 90 mins out of 5 crossing chances pretty sure everyone hit the first man. No way worth £25 million.
The only thing disapointing me with Valencia recently has been his crossing but I wouldn't say Coleman is much of an upgrade if at all. The last time I watched Coleman play for 90 mins out of 5 crossing chances pretty sure everyone hit the first man. No way worth £25 million.
I know Valencia has redefined what it means to be a right back with his lack of urgency to actually get back into position but you're forgetting that important thing a right back should do, defend.
You can't honestly think Valencia is anywhere near as good as Coleman. There's supporting your player and then there's blind loyalty.
Doubt we're going for him tbh.
I'm with you on this one. We shouldn't buy a RB just for the sake of it if it isn't a big improvement on what we already have.
If you look at Valencia's stats from last season he did much more defensively than Coleman did for Everton. The only place Seamus has an advantage is a slight improvement in the attacking side of his game, and I mean slight.
At the start of the summer I was adamant that Valencia needed to be replaced but unless we sign someone like Darmian from Torino for less than €20mill I don't see the point in splashing £25mill on marginal differences.
Coleman is a no-brainer if we can get him for around 25m, very good attacking wise and solid defensively.
Would be a huge upgrade to the team.
Would be a huge upgrade to the team.
I doubt you can use "can only improve" to describe a football player that is going to be 30 soon though...
Valencia will improve, it was his first season as a RB, just look at Juanfran, he is still improving.
He's 26 FFS. People on here need to relax about the age of players
He's on about Valencia
Yeah, and deservedly so
Coleman is still a good right back, but Everton had a shocker of a season.
Yeah, and deservedly so
Coleman is still a good right back, but Everton had a shocker of a season.
You traitor, it's Carrick who should have been in that team.
But I agree that he is a good player, not 25m player though.
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Well I'm not sure about his overall game but his crosses had been so abysmal I guess he can only improve on them.
He might not be world class but he's an consistently a very good player, he would greatly improve us going forward on the right.
Technically Valencia is easily as good at Coleman with the ball at his feet. Defending Coleman might be slightly better but Coleman seems to spend most of games higher up the pitch so we will get caught out there as teams target this.
I could accept this if Coleman had something in the locker over Valencia but I can't really see anything that will make it worth spending £25 million to upgrade Valencia for Coleman. It's ok saying he is better going forward but if he can't consistently even reach a team mate with crosses what is the point. Not much too ask for especially for £25 million.
Wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if we don't add a right-back in the coming weeks. Now Valencia is by no means an exceptional fullback or a great offensive option - but he's always fit which is a big positive in the manager's books, got better with experience at the defensive aspect of the position, really tries to apply himself, and can do all the thankless donkey work that Van Gaal asks of him.
Some of the names being mentioned while better or more natural at the position, don't inspire a lot of confidence, and are not going to be significant upgrades over him considering the prices the selling clubs will demand. I think rebuilding the spine of the team (center-back, central midfielder, probably a striker and goalkeeper if De Gea ends up leaving) will be priority this season, something that Northcroft alluded to. That said, Coleman might be one of the better options if we do end up signing one. He might not be a world-class right-back per se, but is quite consistent, has a decent fitness record, good crossing ability, has great decision-making and is adept at playing in a possession oriented team. Plus he chips in with a few goals each season, and is about to enter his prime performance years. The biggest reservation is that he has never played for a club of United's stature. Can he handle the step-up and be more consistent with his performances ? Some players just can't make the transition from a smaller pond.
Anyway that aside, I'd like to see Varela being given a chance this season. He showed good potential in limited playing time for the Uruguay U-20 team that reached the final on the back of their defensive performances, and did rather well at United reserves conditioning some of the personal and acclimatization issues he faced. Didn't follow him that much at Madrid Castilla but apparently he made over 30 appearances which can only be a good thing. He might be a part of the solution, and could be groomed into a more than capable right-back depending on his performances on tour so there's that. We should try to give more chances of our youth players, as I believe Van Gaal will in due time. Unless there's a glaring hole at the position which demands more immediate attention, which I don't think is the case at right-back. Valencia is serviceable for the time being.
Some of the names being mentioned while better or more natural at the position, don't inspire a lot of confidence, and are not going to be significant upgrades over him considering the prices the selling clubs will demand. I think rebuilding the spine of the team (center-back, central midfielder, probably a striker and goalkeeper if De Gea ends up leaving) will be priority this season, something that Northcroft alluded to. That said, Coleman might be one of the better options if we do end up signing one. He might not be a world-class right-back per se, but is quite consistent, has a decent fitness record, good crossing ability, has great decision-making and is adept at playing in a possession oriented team. Plus he chips in with a few goals each season, and is about to enter his prime performance years. The biggest reservation is that he has never played for a club of United's stature. Can he handle the step-up and be more consistent with his performances ? Some players just can't make the transition from a smaller pond.
Anyway that aside, I'd like to see Varela being given a chance this season. He showed good potential in limited playing time for the Uruguay U-20 team that reached the final on the back of their defensive performances, and did rather well at United reserves conditioning some of the personal and acclimatization issues he faced. Didn't follow him that much at Madrid Castilla but apparently he made over 30 appearances which can only be a good thing. He might be a part of the solution, and could be groomed into a more than capable right-back depending on his performances on tour so there's that. We should try to give more chances of our youth players, as I believe Van Gaal will in due time. Unless there's a glaring hole at the position which demands more immediate attention, which I don't think is the case at right-back. Valencia is serviceable for the time being.
Don't know why 25£ is the only figure mentioned here, every paper I've seen says 20m € or 25m€. 20m€ would be a ridiculous bargain
You mean th Valencia who can't use his left foot or cross so resorts to just smashing the ball across the box and hoping? I would say that makes him technically quite poor.
Coleman is miles better in terms of technical ability compare to Valencia.
Coleman would be great, but i doubt Everton would sell under 25m.
Alternatively, Darmian for 15m would actually be a bargain.
Alternatively, Darmian for 15m would actually be a bargain.
I'm not sure if this one has picked up momentum or if it's just the weekend and all the places reporting it are getting it from the same source.
It's Everton, they will definitely sell but it won't be cheap. £24m at the lowest imo (probably rising to £28m with add on incentives), considering he has 4 years left on his contract.
I like Coleman but at those prices (and from the limited amount I've seen of Darmian) I'd go with the Italian guy too.
Aye, but in all fairness the price for a consistent, established PL player these days far eclipses their European counterparts. It's ridiculous but expected. If we were to bid for him, I would say anywhere between £15m - £20m would be fair game but I would expect Everton to hold out for more.
I think it needs to be accepted - albeit it is ridiculous - that PL players come with a massive 'tax'. Look at Charlie Austin; one season in the PL and he's been touted around at £15m. Lets be clear on that, Charlie fecking Austin costing fifteen million pounds! It's nonsense but par for the course these days.
Absolutely no comparison technically between Valencia and Coleman. Then again 99% of professional footballers would be technically better than Valencia.