Seamus Coleman

Dracula said:
He's better than rafael defensively, probably going forward too (this place has always over exaggerated his ability going forward mainly because it's all he has).

Better than Valencia at rb in every way.

Not best around but solid. Sod it, that's all we need at the moment, just someone solid ego cab do the job. We haven't had a right back that could do that consistently since nevile
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He has a quite better end product than Rafael, though Rafael might have slightly better passing. Anyway, Coleman is the better player.

And he is miles better than Valencia.

Probably the best option we can get for RB position. Certainly, far better than Clyne, even if he costs 10m more.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Shaw was 18 when we signed him, Coleman will be turning 27 in a few months time - That's a big difference. Shaw will also eventually be counted as a Home Grown United player by Premier League Squad rules given how young he was when we signed him, that's worth quite a bit.

Honestly don't think £25m would be enough to sign Coleman unless he kicks up a fuss and is desperate to leave, Everton will more likely want around £30m and given he has 4 years left on his contract, it's all a non-starter.
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Good analysis and agree but if 25m can't pry him loose then we need to go for some other more viable targets.
 
van der star said:
Torino have slapped a price tag of 25 million Euros for Matteo Darmian. He's the only realistic target with world class potential that we can acquire. Coleman might not be worth the price Everton want for him.
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That is almost 18m pounds, so quite cheaper than the supposed 25m for Coleman.

At the moment, I would say that Coleman is better than Darmian, though Darmian is a couple of years younger.
 
On the other side, if we sign Coleman for 25m pounds, it would mean that our full backs have cost 55m pounds (on current exchange rate, it is 77.5 euros). The likes of Simeone and Klopp built a title winning team (and reached UCL final) with less money than that.

The 'funny' thing is that neither of them aren't near being world class players (with Shaw probably having potential to do so). Seriously, we need better scouts. Bar Rojo which came from nowhere (apparenly LVG liked how he played against Holland) all the other players and targets seem to be players that everyone knows. Our scouts seem to be as useful as Anderson.
 
POF said:
Coleman is a good attacking full back but I think his defensive lapses would be highlighted a lot more at United. He is physically quite weak. Better defensively than Valencia but not as good as Rafael.

I get the impression that the Coleman/Clyne links are fabricated stories based on United needing a right back rather than any insider knowledge.

There's no love lost between Woody and Everton. I just cannot see Woody ever over paying for any of their players again. If United go for him it will be low ball offers and unsettling the player to force the move.
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Eyes and stats show the opposite.
 
I refuse to belive if we pass on Clyne for 12,5 mill and sign Coleman for 25mill. Surely we are not this stupid?
 
I think this is the right signings personally. If I had to pick the best rb in the league last 4 years I'd say Coleman bar Zabaleta. When he was under moyes he defended very well, martinez has taken some discipline away. Going forward I think he's excellent. Quicker than he looks, great delivery, walks by players. He's 2 years older than clyne and such a vast improvement going forward I think. 25m seems like a lot but hopefully the fee won't be that big and he'll put pressure on the club to let him move now that they're shit
 
Agree with the complaints over how expensive he'd be, there would definitely be better value RBs out there.

Then again, money doesn't seem to be an issue for us atm does it? I mean if we were looking for value then we probably wouldn't be interested in Ramos either. Once you remove price as a factor then Coleman becomes a better target.

Also, given that all of Ramos, Otamendi and Schweinsteiger are near or around their late 20's, I wonder if we're deliberately targeting players near their peak who can provide instant impact? I mean even the younger Schneiderlin would be expected to hit the ground running at 25. Coleman would fit that profile too...
 
I don't see us paying the price Everton would want for him. Maybe they'd be interested in taking a player off our hands as part of the deal?..Evans, Hernandez or Rafael perhaps.
 
Properly the best out of a bad bunch to choose from, a signing that doesn't really excite me.
 
I'd be happy with say £15 / €21m and Evans as part of the deal. Anything to get rid of Evans!
 
Devastated if we sign him. A nothing player who won't take is forward.
 
JPRouve said:
I looked at it myself and thought that it was too filthy to be posted.

Edit: You forgot the offensive contribution, in which Coleman is a lot better than Valencia.
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I added attack score?

That's the only area where he beats Valencia. Everything else, Valencia beats him!

Perhaps Tony V isn't as bad as some of us make out (myself included in that).
 
LilRicky said:
I added attack score?

That's the only area where he beats Valencia. Everything else, Valencia beats him!

Perhaps Tony V isn't as bad as some of us make out (myself included in that).
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Yeah sorry, for some reason I missed the first line.
One of the problem is that some of us blame him even when he is not at fault, for example the first goal against Arsenal.
 
I definitely wouldn't be going higher than £15m for him. Evans is basically a free so put him in as part of the deal.

He'd be decent cover, between Valencia and Coleman we'd have RB covered.
 
Ha people on here. Fabinho who they know feck all about vs Coleman one of the best right backs in the PL for the past 3 seasons destroying Arsenal last season on the right hand side for 90 mins. Another great logical signing. Feck me I imagine Irwin at Everton would be no where near the muppet radar on here!
 
RedorDead21 said:
Ha people on here. Fabinho who they know feck all about vs Coleman one of the best right backs in the PL for the past 3 seasons destroying Arsenal last season on the right hand side for 90 mins. Another great logical signing. Feck me I imagine Irwin at Everton would be no where near the muppet radar on here!
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Are you actually attempting to say Coleman is better than Irwin?

Have a look at the comparison matrix I posted above, Coleman isn't even better then our current RB Tony V!! Never mind Irwin!! :lol:
 
LilRicky said:
Just done a quick comparison: Coleman vs Valencia.

Valencia absolutely destroys him!

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...won/fouls_committed/errors_leading_to_goal#90
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JPRouve said:
I looked at it myself and thought that it was too filthy to be posted.

Edit: You forgot the offensive contribution, in which Coleman is a lot better than Valencia.
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On my phone so can't really see but are you guys comparing Valencia and Coleman based on last year's season? Maybe a bit misleading given that Everton were so bad generally.

Try comparing Valencia last season with Coleman from 13/14 (when he was in a team that was playing better generally). If we're paying big money for him then that's the sort of form we're looking for really.
 
sullydnl said:
On my phone so can't really see but are you guys comparing Valencia and Coleman based on last year's season? Maybe a bit misleading given that Everton were so bad generally.

Try comparing Valencia last season with Coleman from 13/14 (when he was in a team that was playing better generally). If we're paying big money for him then that's the sort of form we're looking for really.
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He is only better than him in 2012/2013, which is visible when you watch the games.
 
sullydnl said:
On my phone so can't really see but are you guys comparing Valencia and Coleman based on last year's season? Maybe a bit misleading given that Everton were so bad generally.

Try comparing Valencia last season with Coleman from 13/14 (when he was in a team that was playing better generally). If we're paying big money for him then that's the sort of form we're looking for really.
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And United were spectacular? :lol:

United were working with a new manager, new tactics and players out of position mostly. One of them being Valencia.

But being as you asked, Valencia 14/15 vs Coleman 13/14.

Valencia again slightly takes it, betters him on 6 of the 11 stats selected.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...won/fouls_committed/errors_leading_to_goal#90
 
Honestly if Coleman is the best we could do then might as well stick with Valencia.
 
I like Coleman

He's a steady defender and solid enough

He does most things we'll but lacks something special that full backs have like Denis Irwins left foot, or Cafu/Alves skills and pace

Not sure if he's a significant jump from Valencia and Everton would take us to the cleaners unless we were offering a player in return
 
Think Valencia had become a pretty decent fullback by end of last season. If we want to get a right-back, would be hoping for someone with more potential. I can also foresee Everton giving us a rough ride with transfers, no thanks to the Fellaini deal. So I'd much rather give Rafael another season to fit into the system.
 
JPRouve said:
He is only better than him in 2012/2013, which is visible when you watch the games.
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LilRicky said:
And United were spectacular? :lol:

United were working with a new manager, new tactics and players out of position mostly. One of them being Valencia.

But being as you asked, Valencia 14/15 vs Coleman 13/14.

Valencia again slightly takes it, betters him on 6 of the 11 stats selected.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...won/fouls_committed/errors_leading_to_goal#90
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Can't see your links on my phone. :(

For me though it's coming up that Coleman is better in term of Total, Defence and Attack?

Anyway, stats schmats. My eyes tell me Coleman is better than Valencia so that's good enough for me.
 
sullydnl said:
Can't see your links on my phone. :(

For me though it's coming up that Coleman is better in term of Total, Defence and Attack?

Anyway, stats schmats. My eyes tell me Coleman is better than Valencia so that's good enough for me.
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He betters him on attack stats both times. Comparing their stats from last season his attacking stats are the only thing that he betters him on, but comparing Tony V last season vs Coleman 13/14 it's a bit more balanced but Tony V still edges it.
 
JPRouve said:
Eyes and stats show the opposite.
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Your eyes maybe. Valencia is defensively the worst right back (who has played there regularly) I have seen in my time watching United. A back 4 defends as a unit but the huge gaping holes that appear on the right side of the United defence when Valencia plays there just do not appear with any other full back - and that includes Rafael when he first broke into the team and used to chase the ball like an u12s player.

Stats can be used to prove anything and really should only be used to support an argument not prove it. As a case in point, that comparison below had both players with "Errors that led to goals" as zero. Valencia made 2 howlers in the Everton game alone and I remember Coleman with a ridiculous handball in a game late in the season.

There are no stats that show how often a player is out of position.
 
There is no competition when talking about Valencia vs Coleman. We shouldn't embarrass ourselves by trying.

If all people are going on is 'stats' then that suggests they haven't actually *seen* the difference between Coleman and Valencia over the last 3 years. And if that's the case, they shouldn't bother commenting, because I for one certainly wont be listening
 
POF said:
Your eyes maybe. Valencia is defensively the worst right back (who has played there regularly) I have seen in my time watching United. A back 4 defends as a unit but the huge gaping holes that appear on the right side of the United defence when Valencia plays there just do not appear with any other full back - and that includes Rafael when he first broke into the team and used to chase the ball like an u12s player.

Stats can be used to prove anything and really should only be used to support an argument not prove it. As a case in point, that comparison below had both players with "Errors that led to goals" as zero. Valencia made 2 howlers in the Everton game alone and I remember Coleman with a ridiculous handball in a game late in the season.

There are no stats that show how often a player is out of position.
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It's your opinion.
 
Actually thought Valencia did well last season all things considered and improved in the position as he went along.

Always looked unnatural there though, as you'd expect from a winger playing fullback.
 
POF said:
Your eyes maybe. Valencia is defensively the worst right back (who has played there regularly) I have seen in my time watching United. A back 4 defends as a unit but the huge gaping holes that appear on the right side of the United defence when Valencia plays there just do not appear with any other full back - and that includes Rafael when he first broke into the team and used to chase the ball like an u12s player.

Stats can be used to prove anything and really should only be used to support an argument not prove it. As a case in point, that comparison below had both players with "Errors that led to goals" as zero. Valencia made 2 howlers in the Everton game alone and I remember Coleman with a ridiculous handball in a game late in the season.

There are no stats that show how often a player is out of position.
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All very true, I do agree with you. Stats do only tell some of the story.

Having watched him I'd say Coleman he is a solid RB. Good all rounder but not spectacular at anything really. Similar to what a poster said above there is nothing that makes him stand out for me.

I personally wouldn't say he is a big improvement on Valencia, he could offer us more going forward that's for sure. But defensively I'd suggest he'd be just as prone to errors or poor positioning as Valancia. He seems to stand out more for his forward play than anything.
 
For me, Valencias main problem was actually offensively.

With LVG's hard on for left footer on the right and right footer on the left it means we rely on an overlapping full back to provide a outlet for the winger. Otherwise the oppo full back knows he only has to cut inside defensively.

Valencia never provided that overlap and when he did he couldn't cross for toffee, resorting to that low smash when he couldn't make a decision.
 
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