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Seamus Coleman
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Not sure why you'd join an "open" forum then.
Perhaps North Korea is the place for you!
Not sure why you'd join an "open" forum then.
Perhaps North Korea is the place for you!
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Bizarre.
Well least we agree Coleman offers us more going forward, defensively I don't see much of a difference though.
Hence I wouldn't be jumping for joy over the transfer, solid player nothing spectacular.
Some people prefer to read statistics on websites rather than watching players play the game. Coleman is arguably the best RB in the Premier League (who's better?). Valencia is a solid backup, but using him as our first choice is a bad idea imo. He's never looked like a natural fullback to me, he's a winger who can play there if needed. Essentially, he is an excellent squad player to have -- not good enough to start as our first choice fullback, not good enough to start on the wing for us, at least, not since his enormous loss of form a few years ago (he used to be able to beat players with ease, now he can barely cross the ball).
Ivanovic
Ivanovic is better, Zabaleta and that's probably it to be fair. Clyne not as good going forward.
Ivanovic is better, Zabaleta and that's probably it to be fair. Clyne not as good going forward.
And using a similar matrix Blind and Schneiderlin shits all over Carrick (posted by Sky in the Schneiderlin story) what do you conclude from that?Are you actually attempting to say Coleman is better than Irwin?
Have a look at the comparison matrix I posted above, Coleman isn't even better then our current RB Tony V!! Never mind Irwin!!
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I dont see why we shouldnt sign him. Hes been the differwnce for Everto in a lot of games, giving that edge that helped them pick up points. Well worth adding to the squad, it would be good for him and the team.
Make it a double raid and take McCarthy too.
Make it a double raid and take McCarthy too.
Yeah, I had Ivanovic in mind. You're right, he's excellent. Zabaleta is pure consistency, a bit like an Argentinian Irwin (though not as good). Very little between him and Coleman imo, could argue for either.
Have a look at yourself
Oh deary me, only on here would you find people trying to say Valencia and Coleman are in any way comparable.
You see I don't think that Coleman is a bad player, I even think that he is largely above average, particularly going forward, but when you pretend that he is the best right back in league you just kill your first sentence.
Ivanovic, Zabaleta, Azpilicueta are all a lot better. Bellerin by the end of the season was better. Coleman did had a great season two years ago, but we shouldn't ignore the last two.
Well, they are in your opinion. I'd have Coleman over Azpilicueta or Zabaleta. Far too soon to comment on Bellerin, I've seen players play a good dozen or so games and then disappear.
Ivanovic is better though, that's undeniable.
For Bellerin it's only for last season, it's not a definitive assessment. And for the rest it's obviously my opinion, I don't hold the truth.
Coleman > valencia and the crock
Stats never really tells you how often Valencia is caught out of position - only for Smalling to come across as a sort of emergency right back, covering for him.
I'm actually not having a "dig" at Valencia, because all things considered - he's done a great job as a converted fullback, at this stage of his career.
Fullback is such a specialist position though where stats will rarely tell the full story. For instance, barring Alves' ridiculous productivity for a fullback, I'm sure if you compared Valencia to a ton of fullbacks, like Carvajal, Rafinha...even Zabaleta etc, he wouldn't compare too unfavorably? i.e. stats will tell u the gap on quality is much smaller than it actually is. But there again, I might be wrong as its literally just a hunch.
I'm actually not having a "dig" at Valencia, because all things considered - he's done a great job as a converted fullback, at this stage of his career.
Fullback is such a specialist position though where stats will rarely tell the full story. For instance, barring Alves' ridiculous productivity for a fullback, I'm sure if you compared Valencia to a ton of fullbacks, like Carvajal, Rafinha...even Zabaleta etc, he wouldn't compare too unfavorably? i.e. stats will tell u the gap on quality is much smaller than it actually is. But there again, I might be wrong as its literally just a hunch.
Yeah, if I'm honest Zabaleta on the way down now but for a couple of seasons was top level. So on that basis Coleman one of best in league but not sure if that's best of a not great bunch.
I would say it's definitely the best of a not so great bunch. Ivanovic is the best in the league and he's a CB converted to play fullback (I always find it werid to watch the 6ft2 Ivanovic bombing down the wing).
Slightly different players, While he does do a fair amount of defensive work than Carrick, he does involve himself in attack more than Carrick does for United.
Ugh, ok...thanks for your intelligent input!
Yes, imagine comparing our current RB with a RB we are linked to, What complete and utter insanity!
He was pretty awful this season along with most other Everton players, he was wonderful the season before though and showed a good level of consistency in the seasons before that. If I could pick any RB from the PL then it would be Coleman.
Valencia did a job last season and did it admirably. He's not a right back though and it's abundantly clear a lot of the time.
Had he started his career as a RB though then he'd be a pretty perfect modern day full back now.
Had he started his career as a RB though then he'd be a pretty perfect modern day full back now.
I agree with that, his attacking abilities make him the most interesting purchase.
I would be delighted if we signed Seamie Coleman! We need some Irish reds back.
Yeah, it's good for a laugh though!
Would you at least agree that Coleman is an upgrade on Valencia?
The funny/depressing thing is that I'd rather we just played Rafael -- his injury-prone nature doesn't help but he was totally frozen out by LvG despite the likes of Young, Fellaini, Blackett and McNair all being given chances (and second chances after they fecked up).
I didn't said that he wasn't an upgrade, I said that he wasn't better defensively. Coleman is vastly superior offensively which makes him a better fullback.
Indeed, how can we ignore the last two? Everton POTY and in the PFA team of the year in the 13/14 season. You killed your own argument right there.
My point being in all statistic aspects of a defensive midfielder Carrick is beaten by Blind except having a slight higher pass rate. Doesn't mean Blind is the better player though.
Slightly different players, While he does do a fair amount of defensive work than Carrick, he does involve himself in attack more than Carrick does for United.
Ugh, ok...thanks for your intelligent input!
Yes, imagine comparing our current RB with a RB we are linked to, What complete and utter insanity!
Weird. Yes imagine trying to justify that Valencia is in any way comparable in terms of quality to Coleman. As I said, only on here.
Would love it because he is Irish and A good player
But I don't see him as a massive upgrade over Valencia. I actually thought Val had a a very solid season and can only improve at right back
Not sure it would be a given Coleman would be first choice
But I don't see him as a massive upgrade over Valencia. I actually thought Val had a a very solid season and can only improve at right back
Not sure it would be a given Coleman would be first choice
Being Everton's best player doesn't make him the best player in his position, does it? And I didn't said that he was a bad player, because he is a good player.
Clyne is the better right back, and I'm Irish.
PFA team of the year. You ignored that vital part.
Coleman had a great season prior to last. Very consistent without being flash. Everton will not let him go unless we offer ridiculous amounts of money.
Can we do a swapsie with Fellaini?
Can we do a swapsie with Fellaini?
Yeah sorry, I just realized that, wasn't Scott Parker PFA player of the year at some point?
And I will repeat myself he is a good player, but he isn't clearly better defensively.
You said he hasn't been good the past 2 seasons which I have proved clearly isn't true. I don't really care about Scott Parker.
He was indeed, but tbf, he was there on merit. He had an absolutely excellent season.
I said that he had a great season two years ago, in 2013/2014 I think that he was good but nothing special and last season he was average, for a good player.
Nah he was actually quite good last season. Obviously Everton were utter dross most of last season but he was still one of their most consistent performers.
Scott Parker was very good for Spurs. He never won the individual PFA player of the year but he was deservedly in the 2011/12 team of the year.