A huge amount of clowns saying how awful he is .....They are the same type of clowns who thought Bale was a joke until he became most expensive player ever.......At the end of the day do you want a liability like Rafael of do you want a player that could potentially be (if given time) the new Dennis Irwin?
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Well, Rafael isn't really a liability as he doesn't play, Valencia is the clear first choice.
Coleman doesn't have it in him to reach Irwin level. Coleman is more athletic than Irwin, but that's about it.
Stones is a fantastic young CB with a very bright future IMO.
Coleman is currently the better player, but unless things go weird, Stones will become a far better player than him.
Calm down. Nobody said he's awful.
Based on last season, that's debatable.
Tbf to all the Everton defenders, Martinez is the first person I'd blame for their frailties. His Wigan team were weak in that regard too, it just isn't an area he does well in. Another manager would have them looking a lot more solid.
He's a chronic liability,,,,anyone that says otherwise should stick to the water polo
And yes he can reach Irwin level....he just has that drive and hunger that the likes of Evra, Neville etc had
How can he be a liability if he isn't being played? Valencia clearly is our right back.
Drive and hunger don't make up for just not having the ability.
I'm not sure I see the correlation. And you massively underrate Irwin if you think Coleman could ever come close to being as good as him.
we surely won't hope for crosses, but then a capably attacking full-back should be needed because opponents know he can provide a threat, so if he bombs forward they have to set someone's eyes on him. that in turns opens the channel between the opponents' central defending area and the wide area. SHould we play with someone in the Robben mold, shouldn't it be better if that space is opened up for them? If we play with no dangerous full-back, they can afford to just surround and manhunt our wingers isn;t it?
Not to say I support Coleman buy or whatever, haven't watched him enough
No more so than anyone watching 26 year old Irwin did. Making sweeping statements like its not possible for Coleman to be as good as Irwin is just impossible to tell. If he got a move to us, replicated his 2013/14 form season after season who knows.
Where are the comparisons coming from other than they both played for smaller clubs? You could say the same about any 26 year old full back. It doesn't give it any credibility. They were both 26 at one time is all we're going on?
I just think judging any player at 26 who has been named in 2013/14 as best right back in PL and who many pundits are calling the best right back in the PL...could in theory go on to become as good as Irwin. I mean its not exactly unfeasible. For Clyne it would be a mammouth statement as the boy has never been spoken of or included in any PL best teams...but Coleman at 26 has....
You won't win mate. I spent a couple of days in here and some people have their minds made up. Him being the best RB in the league in 13/14 apparently means nout. Because y'know, there's no way he could actually improve again if he joined a bigger club like us, that's a ridiculous notion. His apparent woeful season last year is being extremely overplayed. Most rating sites scored him roughly a 7, despite the fact that Everton were woeful. So he clearly had a solid if unspectacular season and was one of their better players. Anyone who says otherwise didn't follow him much last season. And I know it's mad, but imagine a direct correlation between a club under performing and a player not hitting the same heights he did when the team overachieved. Mad concept altogether.
Not good enough
Danny Mills was once considered one of the best full backs in the league. Coleman isn't the best full back in the league and the PL team of the year is evidence of very little. At the same age Irwin had already had two seasons playing for Utd and winning trophies.
We will agree to disagree. He's as good as Gary Neville for me currently and how good he does become is in the lap of the gods. I imagine if he comes to us, he'll get even better and prove himself once again to be as good a right back as anyone in the PL.
This is the best post on Coleman
He's nowhere near.
Hopefully we sign him. My choice for the right back position.
More talented than Neville I'd accept but as good? Nah. He'll have to string an awful lot of consistently good seasons together at a bigger club than Everton before I buy that.
Aye, Neville made the most of his limitations to become one of the most consistent fullbacks of the PL era. He worked his bollocks off to become the player he became and he was irreplaceable for a long time.
Coleman is a decent player but as good as Gary Neville ? No chance .
Crazy to think people think he's good as neville. Personally to expect anyone to be good as neville for united is trash. Maybe not a world wide legend but a club legend.
Fantastic logic right there. On the sites you speak of he has the lowest rating of Everton's back four. Baines, Jagielka and Stones have all been better than him according to the stats and their rating system.
The logic is that he had an average season, not a woeful one. I wasn't comparing him to anyone else. So well done Bucky lad
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The logic is that he had an average season, not a woeful one. I wasn't comparing him to anyone else. So well don't Bucky lad
Most are saying that he's been average and not woeful. Average is still not good enough for United. And you compared him to the rest of the team and used the rating system, going by that Baines, Jagielka, Stones and McCarthy have been better than him.
He still had some really outstanding games last season. I think it was at home to Arsenal he ran them ragged for 90 mins. The boy has real quality for me.
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What the feck are you talking about lad? Plenty are using last season as a stick to beat him with. He was average last season, not woeful like some have maintained. His form naturally suffered as did plenty of others due to Everton being totally inept for the majority of the season. Coleman was solid, nothing more, I have already stated that.
You wade in here trying to call me out on something whilst being totally wrong. Are you telling me that a players form doesn't suffer as a result of their teams failings? So RvP was the same player he was in the 12/13 season as he was in the 13/14 season? Same goes to plenty of our players. You see any connection why their individual stats / form might have suffered along with the rest of the team. I would imagine the majority of the Everton team scored a lot higher individual stats / ratings in the 13/14 season than they did in the 14/15 season. Jesus, you actually come in here and question my logic.
Maybe read back through my posts in this thread before wading in and spouting bollox. I have said a million times that his form suffered last season, but he was solid, there's no denying that. I never once compared him to any of his teammates. His form suffered for various reasons and one of them was naturally the fact that Everton struggled immensely at times; he obviously had his own personal failings too. No idea why on earth you actually attempted to call me out on my logic. Try actually reading the post next time.
He's from Donegal. Those boys know defense when them see it right boy!
Feck me, I'm sorry I ever posted in this thread, it's getting more ridiculous by the day. You would swear we are all calling Colman the next Cafu as opposed to saying he's a good PL fullback.
With the potential to be v good........
Yes but you're not allowed to mention the fact that he was best PL right back in the 13/14 season. That doesn't count. All that now counts is the fact that he didn't hit those heights last season. Them the rules.
Iniesta was average I heard last season. He be shit compared to Fabregas then.
Well, this is entertaining. Don't know why you take an argument that seriously, this site is about discussing such things. I was just telling it how it is, that he was as average as Everton was last season, which is not good enough for United. I've read your posts and won't bother to read them all, since I was responding to your logic that the rating system of whoscored or squawka has him as one of Everton's better players, when in fact he's the weakest of their back four according to the sites. Our own Valencia has been better in that regard as well. Something you weren't able comprehend from my post as it seems. Since you suggested I should read through your posts and said you never compared him to his team mates, here's your post where you did exactly that.
No again you're completely wrong. I actually hate rating sites as they can skew arguments any which way you like. The rating system was to show that he was solid, not rubbish like some said. Averaging a 7 is fine, it's not great but it tells a player was solid. Those sites generally mean feck all though. You're saying he's average even though he was the best RB in the league the previous season? That logic, to me, is bizarre. I'm not saying he's world class or anything of a sort, but he's certainly an above average player who proved that in both the second half of the 12/13 season and throughout the whole of the 13/14 season. So your logic is to call him average because of last season? Ok great argument.
Yes I would still say he was one of their 'better' players all things considered. A lot of the Everton team were truly woeful last season but Coleman was solid throughout. That doesn't imply he was one of their best players, merely one of their better players. That's not saying all too much considering Everton were appalling until they somewhat got their act together. I think a dip in Colemans form near the start of the season really let him down but he ended the season well and had some good games against the top sides.
F365 done a piece on him yesterday, here it is:
http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9898058/F365-Says
Now for someone so average, he certainly done a lot of good last season despite being far from his best.
As I've also said a million times, I don't think we will sign him so all the bollox in here the past few days will be for nothing. He's a good player, I like him and if we sign him I will be happy, if we don't, I won't lose any sleep. I also believe he would improve further if he joined us and would offer a great outlet on the right flank. But again, I'm not calling for him to be signed. I just find the whole "he's average / poor" debate quite tedious as he's clearly proved he's above average and a good solid PL player that could potentially improve at a better club.
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In Fairness in Oct 2014 both presenters on MNF said he was the leagues best right back. Thats several months into last season so did he have an early dip in form. genuine question?
When I say a 'dip', it would more be a dip compared to the heights he hit in the previous season. I remember he scored some goals early in the season and he was brilliant against Wolfsburg. I think it was around September that Everton struggled a bit and he wasn't too great. I genuinely don't remember any woeful form from him last season.
I never said he's an average player. I said that he had an average season, especially compared to his season before the last, which is why I'm reluctant to be excited about United signing him. We agree that the rating system of those sites is flawed. It just sounded to me in the first post I responded to and where I was questioning your logic that it was, for you, a good enough reason to say he had a solid season. If that's not the case then fair enough. Solid is in my opinion a bit generous to him, since he's shown a far better level already. I also thought that most on here, who were sceptical like me, weren't saying he's been woeful, which he hasn't been, just not good enough to be an improvement over Valencia for the money we'd have to pay.
Well I recall afew on here attacking valencia during several periods last season. Anyway for me he's a big upgrade. To others no so. Lets see how LVG see's it.....
Who would you prefer to him realistically? Darmian or Fabinho?