Yes I agree he's a huge upgrade on Valencia. Look, Valencia performed well last season all things considered. The thing is he's not an actual RB and we can't go into next season with him as our first choice in that position. If it's not Coleman, then we need someone else who will offer more than Tony V.
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Yes I agree he's a huge upgrade on Valencia. Look, Valencia performed well last season all things considered. The thing is he's not an actual RB and we can't go into next season with him as our first choice in that position. If it's not Coleman, then we need someone else who will offer more than Tony V.
Personally I think we could get Fabinho in a good deal and Coleman would be a lot more expensive. Fabinho looks to me like the solid defender van Gaals likes, who's good in possession, but has also his moments going forward. He's also younger. Which would be my reasons, why I'd prefer Fabinho to Coleman. Darmian I haven't seen enough of, so can't tell.
ok well rumours are City are linked with Fabinho and Im guessing for them he's cover for Zabaletta. All we can say is if we sign a RB, whomever it may be, LVG thinks he fits his philosophy better than X. Regardless of our opinions. I mean we rate players completely differently not really considering the shite he does
. I just hope we get someone better than Valencia who then becomes our decent back up.ok well rumours are City are linked with Fabinho and Im guessing for them he's cover for Zabaletta. All we can say is if we sign a RB, whomever it may be, LVG thinks he fits his philosophy better than X. Regardless of our opinions. I mean we rate players completely differently not really considering the shite he does
We've also been linked with him. So it's hard to say, who we actually are after.
Well no, I merely used it to dispel the notion that he was rubbish last season. Yes, plenty have insinuated that. Believe me, I would hardly use the fact that he scored a 7 as a justification to sign him or to try say he's world class. A 7 is an average fair rating as his form dipped at times but there's no denying that there were various factors for that which included the teams failings and his own failings. For example, Barry was brilliant the season before and offered a lot of protection to the back four also allowing Baines and Coleman to get forward at will; he didn't nearly replicate that form last season. Distin also went completely off the boil which didn't help the back 4 either and stones came in and helped in that respect. Now I'm not saying that Coleman should blame others as he has to be held accountable for some poor form but I'm pointing out that the team also played a part.
I don't think you or anyone should be excited at the notion of signing him. I don't think I would be excited per se. But I do believe he would be a good player for us. Who's to say he couldn't come here and look a very good player in what will hopefully be a very good side for years to come? On the flip side, he could be a flop. The latter looks less likely as his form over the past 3 seasons has been very good at best and average at worst.
I genuinely think there's a derth of good RB's around at the minute and especially PL proven ones. I wouldn't be adverse to Darmian as I've heard good things about him, I've just yet to see him play. As for Fabinho, I've also yet to see him play in his actual position. I can't take plenty on here serious when they talk about players like Fabinho. I feel a lot of posters jump on the bandwagon and become experts on him after a few YouTube videos. I can't pretend I know anything about a player after a YouTube video just to sound like a superior fan. That's not to say there's not plenty of good posters on here who genuinely know their shit, as there is, so fair dues to them. Coleman seems vastly underrated as he's only an Everton player.
If we can sign a better player, all well and good. But I'm not sure there's many better right backs available or potentially available. Coleman would be a huge upgrade on Valencia - who did himself proud mostly last season but isn't up to it long term - and I genuinely think he would shock some on here who vastly underrate him. I don't think we will bid for him, but who knows. If he does sign, I genuinely believe he will become a better player and we will have a very good RB sorted for 5/6 seasons. If not, I sincerely hope we get someone else in.
He's not been anywhere near Ivanovich's standard over 3 years.
I'd love it if Phil Jones could be that type of full back for us. Marauder - but also great defensively and in the air. Smalling's a pure CB for me - he's just not technically proficient enough to play full back and he's best as a stopper.
As the post above me says, Ivanovich is where it's at
I feel bad, as Coleman is Irish and a massive United fan but, with the exception of injuries, it's like trading a Rafael for another.
Coleman is far from the best defensively. And I don't know why LVG is after him. He really doesn't seem like his type of player.
I feel bad, as Coleman is Irish and a massive United fan but, with the exception of injuries, it's like trading a Rafael for another.
Coleman is far from the best defensively. And I don't know why LVG is after him. He really doesn't seem like his type of player.
The season before last Coleman out performed Ivanovich who has been excellent and regularly one of the top right backs in the league alongside Zabeletta. Agreed it is like buying a fit and reliable Rafael (is that a bad thing)? Rafael unfortunately has proved over and over he's not reliable enough to rely on!
Explains why we weren't in for him from the jump. The Clyne thing remains a mystery to me. We're handling this RB situation badly, that wasted time and energy trying to get Alves is biting us in the ass
By all accounts we wasted no time and effort on alves, the club knew what he was doing (as did psg).
Clyne is massively overrated at the moment. His form has significantly dropped and has massive attitude issues. The latter, i think is the main reason lvg doesn't want him.
What are the attitude issues?
Not sure, just hear rumours.
I'm guessing it's thinking he's bigger/better than he is. Think it would explain the England snub
Don't be ridiculous now. Neville is the best ever RB in EPL.
Coleman is yet to be the best RB in EPL for more than a season.
This is my issue. He got exposed pretty badly at times last season.
He's talking about Clyne.
So our genuine interest even after the season concluded was attributed to who? If LVG didn't want him for those reasons we wouldn't have been strongly linked to him. The interest wasn't simply made up by the papers, it was real.
What 'massive' attitude issues are you talking about as well? The only thing Clyne said to the media was that he wants to play for a CL club. I haven't heard anything negative about his conduct on and off the pitch.
Clyne vs Coleman was a no brainer for me. Clyne every time. Footballing wise there's not much between them, but Clyne is younger, English, not injury prone and he would've cost half what Everton will ask for Coleman. I have to ask again, what 'massive' attitude issues does Clyne have?
Ah, I missed this. So based on rumors its ok for you to make a statement that he has MASSIVE attitude issues as if its pure fact? This is how some players reputations are wrongfully tarnished.
Nah, Coleman is the better player and more what we fans would look for style-wise (assuming we still like attacking fullbacks at Manchester United).
I'd have probably gone for Clyne as he's cheaper and better value but, once you accept that we're apparently happy to throw money around like idiots, Coleman becomes the better choice.
Don't think the age thing is that important. Coleman is 26, Clyne is 24. Hardly a significant difference.
Not sure about these attitude rumours surrounding Clyne, there are loads of other possible reasons for us not being interested.
I'd have probably gone for Clyne as he's cheaper and better value but, once you accept that we're apparently happy to throw money around like idiots, Coleman becomes the better choice.
Don't think the age thing is that important. Coleman is 26, Clyne is 24. Hardly a significant difference.
Not sure about these attitude rumours surrounding Clyne, there are loads of other possible reasons for us not being interested.
Sportinglife reckon Evans could be thrown in as sweetener, knowing how keen Everton are on our cast offs this would be great news.
Sorry, that's really funny.
EDIT. actually in fairness i did say massive, not sure why.
Regardless...
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Well done, nice mini meltdown there. Oh wait, when i say meltdown, you do know i dont actually mean a literal meltdown yeah? It's a figure of speech. I dont want you worrying about what i express an opinion on being...
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Lol its all good. You put it out there, I just asked where or what you were basing it on because I haven't seen it anywhere else.
Would definitely make the deal much more palatable here given that hardly anyone rates Evans at all any more.
I want this to happen.
I have genuinely heard rumors to that effect, i think it's been discussed on here a bit too. It would explain some things, but to be fair if we didnt sign players based on attitude we wouldnt get anyone
Getting Coleman and selling Evans at the same time is a big win/win IMO.
Yes LVG's idea of a right back is completely different to everyone else's. Basically also has to be a superfit winger who can get back and forth very fast. I'm not sure he'd even have bought Gary Neville.
Reports that Everton have rejected a 20m bid from PSG?
If true he should really push for the move, not sure there will be many RB vacancies at English clubs any time soon.
If true he should really push for the move, not sure there will be many RB vacancies at English clubs any time soon.
That would be an odd move for PSG given they just signed Aurier as their RB and have Marquinhos who can play there as well.
He didn't do that for United, his boyhood club, I don't think he would do it for a random foreign club.
Plus pushing for a move did stones no good.
Plus pushing for a move did stones no good.
And van der Wiel. Marquinhos plays right back like Phil Jones plays right back.
Zabaleta has barely seen a pitch so far this season and Ivanovic looks like he's scared of them. Think Seamus has more than a fair chance at one of those spots now ours has been Darmian'd.
We're not a club that is going to sell our best assets anymore unless it's akin to a deal like Fellaini where there is a player who can come in and replace him for a smaller fee and do just as good a job. In that case it was McCarthy, in Colemans case there isn't many, if any that we could replace him with and he's one of the best in the league. Wouldn't be surprised to see him return to his best this season.
Certainly looked pretty nifty v City.
Was excellent against Southampton also.
He was excellent.
Jose Mourinho has asked Manchester United transfer negotiator Ed Woodward to target Everton right-back Seamus Coleman in a £16million January swoop, writes Steve Bates in the Sunday People .
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...ester-united-target-transfer-evertons-9005587
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...ester-united-target-transfer-evertons-9005587
Is he reliable?
Has a decent reputation but anyone who thinks Everton will sell Coleman in the middle of the season for £16m can't be all that reliable.