And based on the fact he was 2013/14 best right back in the PL officially. If you read the posts I was pointing out that opinion hadnt changed in Oct 2014 (several months into last season)....in Jaimie's mind or Neville who was also on MNF!!!
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And based on the fact he was 2013/14 best right back in the PL officially. If you read the posts I was pointing out that opinion hadnt changed in Oct 2014 (several months into last season)....in Jaimie's mind or Neville who was also on MNF!!!
But you did mention 25m? Why that figure!
20m for Coleman does seem about right in today's market.... I would try to get Everton to agree to £10-15m + Evans
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You aren't getting it.
He was put into that team based off of someone's opinion.
David Luiz was in the Fifa Team of the year. Does that make him one of the best defenders in the world?
Because that's the fee that's being touted. I already said at 10-12m I'd take him, but not at 25.
He'd be a good signing, reality is there's not many good RBs in world football right now, he's better than Valencia and Rafael.
Would you say Clyne would have been better though? Coleman would be a good buy, club needs to buy a couple more though to compete (players not RBs).
Would you say Clyne would have been better though? Coleman would be a good buy, club needs to buy a couple more though to compete (players not RBs).
Come on, Coleman would be a good player for us, he would add a new dimension to our attacking play.
I wouldn't have anything against the club paying 25m for him, we need a RB and he is one of the best around.
I wouldn't have anything against the club paying 25m for him, we need a RB and he is one of the best around.
Jesus the angle of your argument changes each time. Forget it. I agree with Sky sports MNF presenters and whomever put him in the previous years PL team of the year and the many on here who say he was quite rightly in that team. What the feck are you smoking....
I'm smoking nothing, it's you who is claiming that pundits opinion that he's the best right back in the league makes it gospel.
He's not the greatest RB in the world but I think he would be a good signing. He's obviously better than Valencia and probably Rafael giving that Coleman actually stays fit.
He's good going forward and would add something different to our attacking play. I think he can still improve defensively although he isn't a bad defender.
My biggest problem would be the fee. Everton would try and fleece us. I think we would have to bid £20m+ which is why I'm surprised we're not in for Clyne who is going to Liverpool for £12.5m.
He's good going forward and would add something different to our attacking play. I think he can still improve defensively although he isn't a bad defender.
My biggest problem would be the fee. Everton would try and fleece us. I think we would have to bid £20m+ which is why I'm surprised we're not in for Clyne who is going to Liverpool for £12.5m.
I dont think those pundits decide the official PL team of the season. Im guessing thats a panel. One minute you said its because he has no CL experience or something, then you changed that when someone mentioned Schneiderlin to "he's not worth 25m " (a random figure you made up).....Whatever more experts agree with me....and LVG may just agree with me too by the look of it. Does his
opinion hold further weight with you if added to all the other former pro's?
Some of you guys are seriously underrating Coleman.
As someone on the previous page said, Carragher called this guy the best right back in the league just last October and Neville has previous said that Coleman and Zabaleta are the two best RBs in the league. Not to mention his fellow players and all the journalists who rate him that highly too. Hell, they rate him so highly that even I think it's a bit much ffs.
Yet here, and only here, people are wondering if he's worth bringing in to replace Valencia? Yikes.
I also love the "I'd take him for 12m but no more" type posts. What difference does an extra 8m make to us? It's like pocket change compared to the vast sum we'll be spending this summer anyway yet you'd swear it was coming directly out of some posters pockets. Overpaying is practically our transfer strategy at this point.
As someone on the previous page said, Carragher called this guy the best right back in the league just last October and Neville has previous said that Coleman and Zabaleta are the two best RBs in the league. Not to mention his fellow players and all the journalists who rate him that highly too. Hell, they rate him so highly that even I think it's a bit much ffs.
Yet here, and only here, people are wondering if he's worth bringing in to replace Valencia? Yikes.
I also love the "I'd take him for 12m but no more" type posts. What difference does an extra 8m make to us? It's like pocket change compared to the vast sum we'll be spending this summer anyway yet you'd swear it was coming directly out of some posters pockets. Overpaying is practically our transfer strategy at this point.
Clyne was in the last year of his contract though, I imagine if he had 4 years left like Coleman he'd have cost more. Plus I think most would rate Coleman as the better player.
Aye, at that price Clyne would have been the better buy. If you don't care about value as much as quality though (which certainly seems to be the approach we're taking towards other targets) then you'd take Coleman over Clyne every day. 8m really isn't that much extra for us, whereas for Liverpool it would be an important factor.
And I imagine if Coleman has one year left, was going for 12.5m, there would be more of a scramble for his services than simply liverpool. Also Jones and Henderson wouldnt be chosen by a quadriplegic over Coleman at right back....
It really doesn't matter if he was the "2013/14 best right back in the PL officially". What matters is if LvG thinks he's capable of playing in the style (and with the discipline) he requires. Rafael is an excellent RB and in many ways similar to Coleman - he's been marginalised because he doesn't fit in with LvG's requirements for a full back. Can't see much point in spending a lot of money on a full back who's probably not going to displace Valencia. If Alves was a serious target then Fabinho would make a lot more sense than Coleman.
You might wanna google quadriplegic 'cause it doesn't mean whatever you think it means.
You clearly have a very strange sense of humour.
After I posted this I wondered if anyone would come back with that....
But thats the point your arguing if he'd fit in with LVG tactics and then say you dont see the point...surely our reported interest is enough to suggest LVG thinks he fits in (assuming our interest becomes concrete)....
I wouldn't worry about that aspect of it. If we do sign Coleman it will be because LVG does in fact rate him more than he does Rafael, despite any similarities in style. He also isn't going spend that money on a better fullback than Valencia just to leave him on the bench.
There are a lot of reasons LVG could theoretically prefer Coleman over Rafael even if they are vaguely similar in style. It could be fitness, or attacking threat, or a better perceived intelligence or just some random tiny details that LVG puts a lot of importance on, in that weird way that he does. He's a strange guy so god only knows what his thinking is.
Still don't think this will happen, mind.
Agreed. I think it's the same as the Clyne rumours; United need a right full back therefore English press link us to a solid Premier League British/Irish right full back. Our transfer dealings and bids submitted under Van Gaal suggest two things: the players he's going after either have to be potentially World Class/already World Class; or are versatile and come at a reasonable cost to fill a squad position.
Shaw, Di Maria, Falcao, Herrera, Ramos, Schweinsteiger, Muller & Depay were/are all either World Class or with potential to reach that level. Likewise Blind, Schneiderlin & Rojo are all versatile, reasonably priced and are great players to fill a necessary squad role.
Coleman doesn't fit into the world class/potentially world class category and he wouldn't fit into the reasonably priced versatile squad player category. He's a David Moyes type signing, low risk and low reward; not a Louis van Gaal one. I'd be massively surprised if we were after him, particularly for anything more than £10-15m.
Rojo is bang average in every position you play him...Coleman is a very good right back and would play CB no worse than Rojo as would my neighbour Frank
Agree with the bit about it just being an easy link for the English press to make. Not sure about the rest mind.
If anything he's a SAF type signing more than anything else.
Also, £10m for Coleman is a massive undervaluation. We've just seen an inferior RB go for more than that despite being in the last year of his contract.
That's an stupidly harsh opinion. His average rating on this forum is 6/10 which is the same as Rooney. There were only 8 players last season with a better average rating and considering it was his first season in a new league, playing with 5-6 different central defensive partners and moving constantly from LCB to LB, it was a good first campaign.
Again your ridiculous underrating of our players like Rojo, Neville, Nani and Valencia; whilst overrating their mid table equivalents is astounding. Next you'll be saying we should sell Smalling and buy Jagielka. I guess Fergie's cow analogy does hold some weight.
Agree with the bit about it just being an easy link for the English press to make. Not sure about the rest mind.
If anything he's a SAF type signing more than anything else.
Also, £10m for Coleman is a massive undervaluation. We've just seen an inferior RB go for more than that despite being in the last year of his contract.
He would be a Fergie type of signing actually. Fergie's ability to get a team with 5-6 solid 6/10 players playing as a 9/10 top class unit was incredible. Unfortunately I've never seen any other manager do so much with so little and I doubt we'll ever see one again. The days of buying a few Coleman's, Young's & Valencia's here and there and winning 6-7 titles in 10 years are long gone. Nowadays if we want to be dominant we have to adopt the only model that's allowed other teams to be successful in the modern era: employ a proven winner as a manager and let him buy as many World Class players as possible.
£10m may be an undervaluation: possibly £10m + Evans.
More attacks died down our right side through Valencia than Bothans stealing Death Star plans. If Coleman doesn't happen we are stuck with that for yet another season.
I'd be all for buying a world class RB but how many are actually available? As has been said a few times over the last year or so in the Clyne thread, there is quite a lack of real outstanding quality in that position.
Carvajal is presumably unavailable, leaving us with the likes of Clyne, Darmian, Fabinho and Coleman, none of who are exactly proven world class players.
I don't think we'll go for Coleman but if we do it'll be because it was an area we felt we had to strengthen and he was the best of a less than outstanding bunch of options, not because we willfully decided not to bother going for a better player. It is what it is.
People on here are retarded if they mention Rojo in any comparison with Rooney. Jesus this is nuts. A player about to break all scoring records for England and United against a bang average player who do be honest wouldnt get into Evertons best back line!! Rooney is hated on here by many so its a futile comparison. Really if I mentioned the two players at work here in London and said they were compared online people would literally drop dead. Just Nuts!
I'd prefer to wait 12 months and test the water for Carvajal in all honesty, or take a punt on a younger player that our scouts think have massive potential.
No-one is comparing their ability as players. I'm highlighting how his performances over the course of the season have been good, considering the circumstances. To say a player who's never even played CB before would be better is hyperbole. Of course he'd get into Everton's back line: Silvin Distin, Tony Hibbert & Brian Oviedo played a total of 38 games for them last season for Christ sake. Not to mention that Jagielka's performances are rapidly declining as last season showed; if I had a choice between 33 year old Jagielka and 25 year old Rojo I'd comfortably choose the latter.
Anyway it's clear we won't agree and it's clear you enjoy delving deeply into the realms of stupidity "my neighbour Frank is no worse than Rojo", so I'm out.
I live next door to Franco Baresi.
I'd like Coleman for sure, at the right price, not sure what is really.
Valencia has done a decent job though, and is younger than you think and could grow into the role considering he hasnt played much there. Rafael also hasnt gone yet.....maybe theres hope yet that he will stay.
But if Rafael is to go, wouldnt mind Coleman he's definitely productive down that side. Cant say Ive sat down and assessed him fully for a period of games though other than highlights and headlines.
Valencia has done a decent job though, and is younger than you think and could grow into the role considering he hasnt played much there. Rafael also hasnt gone yet.....maybe theres hope yet that he will stay.
But if Rafael is to go, wouldnt mind Coleman he's definitely productive down that side. Cant say Ive sat down and assessed him fully for a period of games though other than highlights and headlines.
Looking at the other players we've been most strongly linked with (Ramos, Otamendi, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin) it could be that we're looking for short term impact as much as anything. All of those players are in or around their peak years and are proven to a certain extent (at league level if not CL). We might be specifically looking for players to come straight in to our first team and hit the ground running.
If we theoretically were in for Coleman then I'd guess that would be the reason why. Bring in a guy coming into his peak years who is a proven quantity in the PL right now rather than waiting another season or bringing in a more long term project.
As I said though, don't think we're in for him anyway so it's a pointless argument really.
Not in my book but games all opinions I guess. Not a bad player, just one that in a utd shirt wouldn't look as good in an Everton one...
I don't think the praise he gets in this thread is justified. He was very good in 2013/14 but whenever I saw Everton he was as average as the rest of team last season. Stones is the only player I currently would want us to sign from that lot.
This is true. And at best we have to settle for a corner that won't amount to anything because he knows nothing else than smashing it against the defenders legs.
Agreed. Stones is the clear talent in that side. Everton have a awful defense, which Coleman is part of.
Last time I saw Coleman play his end product was worse than Valencias as well. Vs Scotland in Dublin. He had complete freedom of the flank to start with and did nothing with his crosses, and when Anya came on he struggled.
I just don't think he's all that. He's an upgrade on Valencia, but not a massive one.
And Stones isn't? I haven't seen anything from either of them that merits pursuit, particularly Stones. Coleman has at least proven he can do it at PL level.
Stones is England's next top centre back. He won't be at Everton much longer. Coleman will be lucky to reach the level Baines ever did.