Well I think he should start over Valencia but obviously LvG sees it differently. I don't think Coleman is that much better than Rafael. He's better going forward, but I don't think he is as solid defensively.
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Well I think he should start over Valencia but obviously LvG sees it differently. I don't think Coleman is that much better than Rafael. He's better going forward, but I don't think he is as solid defensively.
I would love to sign him.
Quality Irish right back for United.
What's there not to like about that?
Quality Irish right back for United.
What's there not to like about that?
Everton is going to milk this one if we really try to sign him. I'm guessing they'll ask around 20-25mil. If it happens, it'll seem like one of our most "forced" signings. Not surprised if we went through with it, but not excited by it either.
Too expensive for a 27 year old. Stick with Rafael and actually play him until he breaks. Then play Valencia a bit more.
That wouldn't be hard to do.
15m pounds sounds the right price for him. Evans + 5m should do the trick.
We would be left with Valencia alone in a matter of weeks most likely.
How is £20M~ too much for a 27 year old, in his prime, quality right back?
He's 26.
Jeez, this thread. I think the main comparison to be done is, is Coleman better than Valencia? (We know he is better than Rafael because he can actually play a few games in a row before getting injured). We managed fourth with a winger at right-back. With a proper right-back we surely have a better chance of finishing higher.
So play Valencia another 35+ times.
I would take Coleman over Rafa (because of injuries) and Valencia any day. I don't know why people care about his price, whether it's £5 mill or £25 mill, it doesn't make any difference to us we have the money to spend.
No. Just a steady Rb that looks better in an average team.
Isn't that the sign of a good player. Looking good in an average team? He's the second best right back in the league. I say buy him and move on to other positions.
So you're valuing Evans at £10M then? I don't think Everton will agree with that. More like, Evans + 15M at the very least.
Why not, he qualifies as a home-grown player, which carries an extra value.
I like Coleman and want us to sign him, but let's be honest, he is not a world class talent. He is a very good player, and the value for a very good RB should not exceed 15m, may be 17m-18m max in this crazy world.
We are notorious for under-selling players, so even while at his best he may perform like a £10M player (factoring in today's market and being homegrown) he has come off the back of an atrocious season, peaked, is relatively injury-prone and seemingly unwanted at the club. I think about £5M is a more accurate comparison.
The one thing that could aid us, is that Everton are in dire need of a centre back, probably two, after Distin and Alcaraz getting released. Unless they find alternatives, they couldn't allow this transfer to drag all summer which would bode well for us in negotiations.
The one thing that could aid us, is that Everton are in dire need of a centre back, probably two, after Distin and Alcaraz getting released. Unless they find alternatives, they couldn't allow this transfer to drag all summer which would bode well for us in negotiations.
Well the day Valencia gets named best right back in the PL by anyone you will know you're not alone in thinking there isnt much between them. Its like saying there isnt much between John Terry and Chris Smalling.
In this crazy world Coleman is still a good player for Everton with a contract untill 2019, if we want him he probably won't be cheap. Not many available rightbacks on the market right now so I don't really care what we pay as it's an area that needs strenghtening.
I reckon I'd be happy enough with this signing. He'd provide us with a lot of width and energy down the right for at least half a decade (he'll only be 30 at the start of his 5th season). He only really started focusing on proper football at 18, so even at 26 it's not inconceivable that there's still room for significant improvement under a manager of Louie's caliber, especially defensively. Irish full-back, mid-20s, former Gaelic footballer, not too glamorous but no-nonsense. There would be something quite Irwinesque about this transfer.
Valencia will be the only choice for RB by mid October then.
Apart from Jones that is now playing RB for ENgland ahead of Clyne....
I'd rather see Jones playing CB to be honest. You could count him as a choice, but I'd rather we just play him in CB.
Are still people wanting Rafael in the first team?
The guy has to go. Far too injury prone. Also a lot of our goals conceded at the latter end of the season were due to Valencia.
The guy has to go. Far too injury prone. Also a lot of our goals conceded at the latter end of the season were due to Valencia.
I think he is the right age and has shown his capability in a couple of seasons for us. Last season wasn't very stellar, but it got blighted due to an untoward incident.
Like you mention, Everton will need to fill the gap in the defense. Jonny is a player that Martinez should admire due to his ability on the ball. I think £10M is a fair price for him.
Doesn't feel right that we don't have an Irishman in the first team squad. Who was the last one O'Shea? Gibson, may be?
Would love for us to get Coleman.
Valencia never gets injured.
Would be like having a tricycle Wheel as a spare for Your SUV
Last season Coleman wasn't voted the best right back in the Premier League. Last season there wasn't much to separate the two defenders, one was a constant fixture in a team that conceded 37 goals and was mostly solid but unspectacular throughout, the other was a constant fixture in a team that conceded 50 goals and was somewhat solid but unspectacular throughout.
In terms of full backs last season that were arguably better than Coleman: Bertrand, Azpilicueta, Bellarin, Valencia, Ivanovich, Clyne, Zabaleta.
I certainly don't think banking on him consistently reaching a level he's only ever reached 13/14 season is a good idea. Not to mention that having a team built around him and Baines at Everton makes him look far better than he would at LVG's United.
In terms of full backs last season that were arguably better than Coleman:Bertrand(left back, irrelevant),Azpilicueta(played left back, not for sale),Bellarin(no),
Valencia(noIvanovic(yes, but not for sale),Clyne(wasn't anything special last season),Zabaleta(maybe, but not for sale).
Options narrowed there
Coleman has been at worst solid and at best (the best) in the PL over the last 3 seasons though!!!!!!!!!
I think people might be surprised how easy this one may be to get relatively cheaply.
Everton need money, they spent a shit load on lukaku thinking they could get into Europe.
My guess is they were expecting to be able to sell barkley for a top fee this summer and it doesn't look like that's happening.
Everton need money, they spent a shit load on lukaku thinking they could get into Europe.
My guess is they were expecting to be able to sell barkley for a top fee this summer and it doesn't look like that's happening.
I've never rated his defensive work. He's good going forward but a liability at times at the back. Would be a safe signing but for me he's squad material.
I can now see I think why Moyes went for Fellaini over Barkley..the latter seems to be not making much impact these days.
If we can get him for the 10-12m mark, then I'd be all for it, any more and no.
Besides the stones goal and the welbeck goal in the FA Cup which other goal was conceded due to him?
I don't think anyone else at RB would have changed the mirallas goal. Everyone expected an offside call.
He's had one really good season and it was Everton's best season in the PL era.
This is not the year 2000
See Otamendi thread for examples of one really good season.....I recall people wanting Mangala and Moreno on here. Coleman dicks all over both and has done for years. If he can be got for 20m GBP. Its great business.
We've spent £25m on Memphis, and it looks like we'll spend about £35mish on a CB, and £25m on Schneiderlein.
85m spent. Is Coleman a £20m upgrade on Valencia?
Yes. He's better at defending, creating opportunities and dribbling past players, scoring goals and way more decisive in the final third.
Well its not about being a 20m upgrade. Valencia wasnt free! Valencia would be a realiable back up. Rafael would be sold for perhaps 10m. It makes great sense. And sensible options is what alot of fans want. Fixing a weakness. People want Fabinho based on his name pretty much. He could be another Moreno/Mangala...no one has a clue. We know what we are getting with Coleman and its an upgrade on what we have.