Screw PSR - We HAVE to buy in Jan

Stack said:
Im looking at Nottingham Forest and how well they play. Our squad is as good as theirs easily but they can play a bit.
Our initial problem is a coaching problem, longer term its a player problem. We should give Amorin some time with this squad first to see if he can make a difference before doing the usual mistake of throwing cash around
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They have players who can run besides Wood, but he does a good job of holding the ball up for the likes of Gibbs White. And both their CBs are good at defending their box.

Also Forest weren’t this good last season, it’s only when they backed Nuno in the summer that they became better. So you either back the manager or sack him.
 
United won't invest in January. The club will view relegation as unlikely (so no real downside in doing nothing) and European qualification as impossible (so no real upside in spending money). If you're destined to finished somewhere between 10th and 15th, what's the point in investing mid-season, when the market is difficult and your options are limited. They'll wait for the summer.
 
Infra-red said:
United won't invest in January. The club will view relegation as unlikely (so no real downside in doing nothing) and European qualification as impossible (so no real upside in spending money). If you're destined to finished somewhere between 10th and 15th, what's the point in investing mid-season, when the market is difficult and your options are limited. They'll wait for the summer.
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We can qualify for the CL via the EL which we could win.
 
Blood Mage said:
What kind of points deduction would we be looking at? If signing just two wing-backs would suddenly have us playing amazing stuff would it be worth it?
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If we sell Rashford and/or Casemiro we will be able to spend, for sure.

But it's going to cost us, every club will see us coming. We need instant quality.
 
Chelsea have been very creative financially, selling assets to raise money

Am sure there's land around Old Trafford we can sell to raise capital.

We cannot be inactive in the market in January.

If we think these guys bottle games when it's tough, imagine them fighting relegation when every point counts, they will fold like wet paper
 
Everyone keeps talking about selling rashford, which team on the planet is gonna take him for anything other than free ?

Who’s gonna pay his £350k a week?
 
Oh oh. I see some big names here. Kimmich, Davies, Sane. But did anyone actually ask these players if they want to play for United??? Whether you like it or not, we are the second worst team in the league, a total chaos on every level. Bad players, bad culture, a ruined stadium, Glazers are still there, and INEOS seems like a mess too... The only way to convince a top player to play for us would be a huge paycheck what we obviously cannot afford. No way that any of these good players would chose us if they have offers from other teams. We are totally undesirable.
 
There is no money to buy. No clubs will want our players. No one can afford them anyway. We will be lucky if we can offload Rashford or Casemiro. I would rather we turn to the youth.
 
Berbaclass said:
We can qualify for the CL via the EL which we could win.
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Anything can happen in tournament football, but I wouldn't be particularly confident of United beating Lazio, Athletic Club or Eintracht Frankfurt, all of whom are currently in the top 4 of their domestic leagues. Spurs, Ajax, Lyon etc would fancy their chances against United, too.

I wouldn't say it's something United will be gambling tens of millions on in the January window - if we sign anyone, my guess is it will be a low cost left wingback.
 
Infra-red said:
Anything can happen in tournament football, but I wouldn't be particularly confident of United beating Lazio, Athletic Club or Eintracht Frankfurt, all of whom are currently in the top 4 of their domestic leagues. Spurs, Ajax, Lyon etc would fancy their chances against United, too.

I wouldn't say it's something United will be gambling tens of millions on in the January window - if we sign anyone, my guess is it will be a low cost left wingback.
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If we offload Casemiro or Rashford we can afford our main target (Kerkez)
 
Feck it - get the levers out Barca style.

Does SAF need a stand? Does he feck, same with Bobby.

Those are the Ineos and Sir Jimmy ends
 
MyDevil said:
There is no money to buy. No clubs will want our players. No one can afford them anyway. We will be lucky if we can offload Rashford or Casemiro. I would rather we turn to the youth.
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Exactly. Chances are low that we’ll be relegated, though the threat is real. Bring up a few young players who will be a step back but at least won’t be carrying the mental baggage that Rashford carries. Buy in the summer.
 
stefan92 said:
I honestly believe that everyone who thinks Qatari owners are a great idea deserves to die as a slave on a Qatari construction site without any protection rules for workers.

It's just morally deprived to cheer for a club financed by blood money and I think most English fans are far to welcoming for this.
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I'm not sure where you live so this may not apply to you. But do you realise the UK imports oil from Qatar, that Qatar own or have significant interest in many renowned UK business?

I'm not a apologist for Qatar and I don't think they are "good". I'm just also not a hypocrit who virtue signals through football and then goes and puts their oil in my car, or takes a selfie outside Harrods in London.

When thinking about football I consider the football reprecutions, and while morally I don't approve of them, they would be better football club owners than Ratcliffe and the Glazers.
 
Ceteris said:
Chelsea have been very creative financially, selling assets to raise money

Am sure there's land around Old Trafford we can sell to raise capital.

We cannot be inactive in the market in January.

If we think these guys bottle games when it's tough, imagine them fighting relegation when every point counts, they will fold like wet paper
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Everything at the club is already leveraged against the £900m debt. The land we have we can't sell as it falls within the plan of stadium rebuild.

Chelsea are in the King's Road, one of the most sought after locations in the world for property and land. Our situation isn't comparable.
 
Banana Republic said:
There isn’t going to be a big influx of new players.
Maybe one, or at a stretch maybe two new signings in January, but no big names or rated up and coming prospects will want to come here anyway.
Even if we can move out a couple of players in January, Amorim is stuck with most of the current squad for the rest of the season.
He’ll be stuck with most of them next summer as well.

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Sitting in 14th place, United are no longer attractive to the top transfer targets unless we significantly overpay.
 
Waynne said:
They are the ones who appoint the people to run the club.
They put Ed Woodward in CEO position in 2012 and he played real life Football Manager with the club until he left in 2022. The sole reason for why we are in this mess in the first place. A decade of slow downward spiral.

In an alternate universe Ed appoints a Director of Football and looks to establish an Avengers like footballing board to run the show while he focuses on the business side.
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Well said. This guy is either a troll , Liverpool fan, or works for The Glazers. Thanks for articulating my point so well. Years of mismanagement has cost this club and the toxic environment that they have created. So many players with big reputations and profiles have lost their way here. Until they go I cant see a way back for the club. INEOs are just puppets . That was evident when Joel Glazer still had say on whether Ten Hag stayed or left.
 
Flying_Heckfish said:
We need instant quality.
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That's the error we've seen far to many times. There is no quick fix to our current situation. Bringing in more Pogbas, Sanchez'es, Ronaldos, Antonys, Sanchos, Casemiros, Lukakus etc. won't solve a thing. We have to be smart about it this time.

Buying young, hungry and talented players is the way to go. The only problem with that is the fact that it takes patience. If we buy more ridiculously overpriced players, we'll just be in the same situation i a year. We need a new team, really. And we can't solve that problem in a january window.

Calm down with the spending. Accept the situation and do some proper scouting for the summer. Only thing we can do now is to try our very best in the league and in Europe. Breaking the rules for some stupid quick fix is just ridiculous in my opinion.
 
GazTheLegend said:
You're all being, as ever, absolutely ridiculous drama queens.

We won't be relegated. I'll say it now: we are too good to go down. We aren't even that bad right now, but every little thing has gone against us and seems to keep going against us.

Now on the other hand, even being a mid table team given the expenditure on players is an absolute joke, and the fact we're even talking about relegation is INSANE. Manchester United have been run into the ground, and these players need to sort their fecking heads out -right now- because nobody is going to help us but ourselves.
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Aren't we? What have you seen this season to suggest otherwise?
 
Just go Chelsea/Barcelona. 0 points deducted, crazy money they don't have spend.

Pull the 'levers' a la Barca or give players contract until their grandchildren go to uni a la Chelsea.
 
SJR recently put another 80m in the club but made it clear it was for infrastructure. Bugger that. Spend it on players or we'll be in the championship next season and our income and reputation will be damaged even further.

Need to sell Garnacho. There will be buyers and he doesn't fit our system. He also counts as academy. Obviously if we can shift Rashford for a free (any fee at all) that would also be academy. So some FFP wiggle room is possible.

Shifting Casemiro and Zirkzee would be great as well.

There is a chance to get money in. However who sells their best players mid season? And who do you prioritise?
 
GazTheLegend said:
You're all being, as ever, absolutely ridiculous drama queens.

We won't be relegated. I'll say it now: we are too good to go down. We aren't even that bad right now, but every little thing has gone against us and seems to keep going against us.

Now on the other hand, even being a mid table team given the expenditure on players is an absolute joke, and the fact we're even talking about relegation is INSANE. Manchester United have been run into the ground, and these players need to sort their fecking heads out -right now- because nobody is going to help us but ourselves.
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If we're normal levels of healthy, you'd expect like 46-48 points and we finish about 11th or 12th. We're only -5 GD and only Mount and Shaw are proper injured and we have #10s, and while our LWB play has been bad, we can probably bring in someone in January (even a loan) or have one real problem position or find a 6/10 solution there (Antony tried there or Malacia hits okay form or Amorim figures out how to make Dalot useful there).

Injury crises do happen, though, and that could drag us into a relegation battle. If you plan for one of those just in case because relegation would be an insane financial disaster, with sponsorships and such, I'd say we should bring in a DM/CM who can run, even if it's a costly loan and the guy is out of favor on his current team.

The only way I really see relegation is if Ugarte got injured and we had no legs in midfield. The first 30 minutes against Newcastle was probably the worst stretch of the season and this formation sometimes leaves us 3 vs 2 in the middle and so you need proper mobility to combat that. Other injuries I think we could weather. A grafter would be fine, like someone in the Kongdogbia/Zakaria mould if I'm thinking of midfielders of the past decade, who couldn't really pass that well but generally got stuck in and covered some ground. Not really sure who that would be or who's available. Bundesliga mid-table sides seem to all have a DM aged 25-27 who are in the top 10 in tackles in the league, look a bit like Ugarte stat-wise and might be loanable or buyable fairly cheap. Not sure I've seen any play, but Lynen, Gimber, Diego Leite and Stach all seem to fit the bill. Stach has a couple caps and they are apparently going to lose their other CM (Bischof) on a free to Bayern or someone else this summer, so maybe he'd cost an actually normal transfer figure. But one of the others.

If you tell me me Ugarte tears his ACL on February 1st and we hadn't signed a CM, I could see a path to relegation. Mainoo is too young, Casemiro and Eriksen are too old, Bruno can't really tackle or sit. A team you look at with big names can sink to the bottom that way (this probably happened to West Ham at some point?).
 
GazTheLegend said:
You're all being, as ever, absolutely ridiculous drama queens.

We won't be relegated. I'll say it now: we are too good to go down. We aren't even that bad right now, but every little thing has gone against us and seems to keep going against us.

Now on the other hand, even being a mid table team given the expenditure on players is an absolute joke, and the fact we're even talking about relegation is INSANE. Manchester United have been run into the ground, and these players need to sort their fecking heads out -right now- because nobody is going to help us but ourselves.
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You’re deluded if you think the current mess is just about being unlucky and not about the players being championship-level.
 
I think CM is more pressing than wing back. We only have Ugarte. We have been losing the midfield battle for years and it’s never been rectified by the club for 10 years. The only time our midfield was solid was when we had a 3 of Pogba, Herrera and Matic and then the club decided not to extend Herrera’s contract!

We simply cannot continue with Eriksen and Casemiro in midfield. Or Bruno in that position as well.
 
Siorac said:
You aren't serious, are you?

We have absolutely no chance of winning the EL. Sure, tournament football and all, anything can happen etc. but realistically we're not going to win it.
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I'm serious about which standard I want the club to set and aspire to fulfill.

I am aware how far off United actually is, bit that doesn't change my opinion of where United should be. After all it still has the most valuable squad in the competition, it has to be possible to become a decent contender with that.
 
lex talionis said:
Exactly. Chances are low that we’ll be relegated, though the threat is real. Bring up a few young players who will be a step back but at least won’t be carrying the mental baggage that Rashford carries. Buy in the summer.
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Why would we be in a better position to buy in the summer?
 
JoseM4 said:
Sitting in 14th place, United are no longer attractive to the top transfer targets unless we significantly overpay.
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or buy smartly

we don't have to be targeting elite players......

teams like Brighton/Wolves/Bournemout/Forest have done very well with the scraps from other teams and relatively cheap young imports from lower leagues or abroad
 
groovyalbert said:
Why would we be in a better position to buy in the summer?
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Clubs will be more willing to do business, but also it’ll be a new accounting year for PSR purposes. From an accounting point of view, we only really want to sell now if we are definitely going to buy in January.

Let’s say by some kind of magic we can get Saudi to cough up £20 million for Casemiro, if we do that now we bank the whole £20 million under this years accounts, while being near the limit, we don’t really need to bank that money this year unless we buy. If we bank it in the summer, it gives us the equivalent spending power of a £100 million player on a five year contract.

Obviously there’s the wage saving for the next six months to consider and whether we actually want that player in the squad. I think we’ll see loan with obligations and options mostly.
 
can anyone remember if Aubamayoung and Ozil left in January ? I think arsenal lost a lot of money to move them. conflict with PSR ?
 
Møllemanden said:
That's the error we've seen far to many times. There is no quick fix to our current situation. Bringing in more Pogbas, Sanchez'es, Ronaldos, Antonys, Sanchos, Casemiros, Lukakus etc. won't solve a thing. We have to be smart about it this time.

Buying young, hungry and talented players is the way to go. The only problem with that is the fact that it takes patience. If we buy more ridiculously overpriced players, we'll just be in the same situation i a year. We need a new team, really. And we can't solve that problem in a january window.

Calm down with the spending. Accept the situation and do some proper scouting for the summer. Only thing we can do now is to try our very best in the league and in Europe. Breaking the rules for some stupid quick fix is just ridiculous in my opinion.
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Ignoring the transfer fees for a second, those players had a decent profile and were young enough (especially Antony and Sancho) for them to be key parts of the team for a number of years. The fact they haven't been shows that the wider structure is so wrong.

Even Pogba and Lukaku had moments where you could see why we spent the money. The issue was like every type of player, they only get worse when they get here.

Ironically, a 25 year old Pogba would be perfect for this team. Had Sancho had another few years performing well at Dorrmund, getting him would be a massive benefit now.

People are saying we should have gone for Toney in the summer but I'm not sure he would have had any bigger impact than Lukaku. They also had similar goal records for a similar level of club (Lukaku probably had more experience at a higher level.)

Ultimately, quick fixes aren't necessarily a bad thing. Football has been overwhelmed by short termism now, you just almost need to plan your next quick fix months/years in advance.
 
Just a bloody left wing back on loan until the end of the season would at least be something.

Surely we're not planning on doing no business at all with the position we're in. Even if we end up shopping in the bargain bin there are ways to improve this team without splashing the cash.
 
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