Because the players we need are generally not available in January. But they are available in the summer.
That said, there’s no guarantee that we won’t get it wrong in the summer
Screw PSR - We HAVE to buy in Jan
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Because the players we need are generally not available in January. But they are available in the summer.
That said, there’s no guarantee that we won’t get it wrong in the summer
I mean at the end of the day it was the Glazer's decision and I don't think the fans could have done much about it. A huge boycott would probably be the only thing that works but that's really difficult to get everyone on board with for a such a well supported club.
Personally anyway I'm still in favour of any bid that isn't a thinly veiled state backed bid as I think state ownership of football teams is going to wreck the sport even more than it already has if it continues. I understand those wanting Jassim and I flirted with it myself for a bit but I think it's short sighted and any success under a state would feel less special, still isn't guaranteed and hurts the sport as a whole.
The ones that no other club would want or are prepared to pay their wages!
"Screw PSR"?! We could get a f**king 10 point deduction that would put us in the relegation zone and for what? A couple of players that could be shit or like Mason Mount, get injured after 10 minutes?!
If we can get a decent LWB and striker without breaching PSR, fine. But they don't exactly grow on trees, especially in January!
If we can get a decent LWB and striker without breaching PSR, fine. But they don't exactly grow on trees, especially in January!
Let’s see if we actually have any of these best in class people. If we do, we’ll manage to sell a couple of players to create funds for signings.
Chelsea amortised their players over 7-8 year contracts. The PL caught on and changed the rules after that.
If we got to 6 games from the end of the season and needed, say, 6 points (which btw would mean we barely win a game from now until then) I am sure we'd just go back to real basics to get the points that we need.
Bear in-mind, we have 22 points, will likely need about 36/37 and we have Ipswich, Palace, West Ham, Wolves and Southampton at home. I like to think we will win at least three of those.
I am not considering us going down as a scenario likely enough to base any decisions on at this point.
We've had a tough start to life under Amorim, in the sense that we have played 5 of the top 7 (will be 6 of 7 by Sunday) and I discount the Wolves game as winnable due to Bruno's stupidity.
Let's see how we do with a few more training sessions and when we start facing the middling teams / bottom teams on a more regular basis.
I hope you're right as although people love to overdo the woe, this really is our lowest ebb in 30 years.
Look I don't actually think we'll get relegated but even flirting with it could do damage to the clubs prospects for next season in terms of sponsorships and attracting players.
The bolded part is correct but wouldn't that then have us all wondering why we persisted with a system that got us into that situation in the first place?
I'm sure the players will adapt to some extent and we won't end up that low but I think we can safely say European football through league finish isn't happening this season.
If we screw PSR, wd will be relegated and Cheaty will get an apology instead of punishment.
Let's say Ratcliffe decided to spend 100mil in January and we cant meet the PSR requirements.
What would the punishment be? A point deduction next year? A fine?
What would the punishment be? A point deduction next year? A fine?
This is under the impression that we would be stung with a points deduction next season rather than this one, of course.
It's not like it would be a "Oops, did we break the rules?" incident. We'd be blatantly flouting the rules and I think they'd take into account the brazeness and desperation of the offense and almost certainly make it a points deduction.
We have to make do with what we have now. If they're not good enough to get us out of this mess, so be it.
I agree, it would be a blatant breach. Not sure how that would be viewed.
We do need an inbjection of tallent thouhg and we really have very few assets with a decent markey value.
Said it before, but it could well be a case of us having to sell a former academy player, or two, just to get the "pure profit" on the books upfront. That then allows us to spend that money asap and amortized the transfer fees. Same as Chelsea and City did when selling some of their graduates. Unfortunately, the rules are written in a way that make if advantageous to do this. It may have to be a Garnacho or Mainoo. If Mainoo was sold, it could allow us to bring in 3 or 4 players, as long as salaries are reduced in other areas of the team.
We’d have to have one of the worst second halves of a season in PL history to get relegated, it’s not impossible but extremely unlikely. We’re not going to qualify for Europe but that’s been coming, last season we only qualified via the FA Cup which isn’t sustainable.
I think they will free up some funds to strengthen the squad via some loans or maybe a sale but I can’t see any cash injection coming.
The status quo in terms of the ownership and debt is going to have to change at some stage. They have to refinance the debt in a couple of years and the cost of borrowing has gone up since it was last done as has the debt itself. The squad and club needs so much investment that money is going to have to be pumped in at some stage.
I think they will free up some funds to strengthen the squad via some loans or maybe a sale but I can’t see any cash injection coming.
The status quo in terms of the ownership and debt is going to have to change at some stage. They have to refinance the debt in a couple of years and the cost of borrowing has gone up since it was last done as has the debt itself. The squad and club needs so much investment that money is going to have to be pumped in at some stage.
A good thing in my book. United are a Champions League team. We shouldn't be taking any kind of pride in competing in the Europa League.
I don't only say "were better off out of it" on sentiment. We don't have a robust enough squad to cope with the relentless fixtures (see injury record last few season) and it wastes time that could otherwise have been spent on the training field, with Amorim working on doing some actual coaching.
Sure, I'm not going to deny that it isn't quite fun watching us play in the Europa and it's probably enjoyable for the travelling fans - but there's no sporting merit to it
The new stadium I believe will be financed in part by stadium naming rights (snapdragon stadium in Old Trafford or similar) and future increased match day revenue.
Expect larger concourses to encourage fans into the ground earlier for a pie and a pint, a fanzone so you spend in the club and not Bishops or the Tavern etc, and a greater range of corporate options (full 5☆ all inclusive 6 course feast from 3 hours before kick off, finger buffet with tea, coffee or prosecco at half time and more food and drinks at full time with complimentary bar priced at £1,000 each and tickets level 2 half way line, down to pay bar, beef strogonoff or chicken curry with rice or chips and a complimentary programme for a bargain £150 with seat ar level 4 above the corner flag) & with a "dedicated singing section" with tickets remaining at current levels and maybe 18 - 25 priced cheaper than others, and possibly a preference in allocating tickets in this section to those with a Greater Manchester postcode as pr exercise in "keeping the heritage of the club"
It would be next season, because the financial year for 2024/25 ends on June 30 and only after that we hand in the reports. Then it takes time for the PL to look at the numbers, so by the time a punishment is handed it will be into next season, just like with Everton and Forest.
Who’s going to pay? Jim the Scrooge?
From what Ruben said in his presser today, I would expect at least one new face in this window. In my mind that has to be a LWB. Whether that be a loan or purchase may well depend on who we can ship out and for how much
We do a Barca and find an investor (maybe from Cayman Islands or Monaco) who will buy VIP seats for 100M pounds or more.
Pure business.
The club should try test the waters with Napoli, loan with an obligation to buy Osimhen. If he's not scoring at will, then we no its not the strikers.
Try ship out Zirkzee. Get a LB if we have to buy, so be it, or try get another loan with obligation to buy, it might get us through the season on whatever financial we must abide by.
Try ship out Zirkzee. Get a LB if we have to buy, so be it, or try get another loan with obligation to buy, it might get us through the season on whatever financial we must abide by.
He’s already on loan to Galatasaray therefore won’t they have to agree to an early termination of the loan? They are in the middle of a title race & don’t think they’d be willing to terminate the loan early of their top goalscorer.
Barcelona are chopping their nose off to spite their face. They’ve sold part of their to rights for a whole 25 years, now they are selling part of their stadium. Where do they think the money will come from in future?
With talks of there being interest in him in January window, I would presume that Napoli put in the loan deal they could terminate the loan. It would be silly if they didn't considering Gala were lucky to get him in the first place.
Napoli sell him to us, Rashford reunites with McT and they win Serie. Jose's Fenerbache win Super Lig with Osimhem gone and Gala weakened and United battle bravely to finish tenth.
I'd take 10th if it meant the team got to grips with Amorims style that he wants to implement.
What about our Europa League chances?
Don't ask me things you won't like the answer to.
This ‘fan base’ thing is getting a bit tiring isn’t it
Are we? I'm not so sure we can say that as a club that's only once finished in the Top Four 2 years in a row over the last 12 years. And as a club that's been sitting firmly in the bottom half all season I don't think we're in a position to look down our nose at the Europa League.
And if there's no CL/EL football it means less income for the club, I don't know how it affects all the sponsorships with no European football at all to offer never mind Champions League football. I know there will be a £20-25m penalty in the current Adidas for missing out on CL football for the 2nd year in a row this year. The new one that starts next year states the club has to forfeit £10m for every year we fail to qualify for the CL. There might be a smaller penalty for missing out on the EL too and there could be similar stipulations and clauses in most/all of the major sponsor contracts. So we can't afford to just feck off European football for a few years to work on the style/formation when we need new players, presumably very good players who will cost a lot of money. And that's before mentioning that we will be shopping in different markets if we have no European football to offer prospective new signings. Top players want to go to clubs that can offer CL football and obviously we'd also have to offer less wages than if we we had guaranteed CL/EL money coming in the next year. In the past when we didn't have CL football to offer in 2014, 2016, 2019 and 2022 we got round this by giving players ridiculous above market contracts, that won't be happening this time as the clubs broke.
We'll do well to bring in top young players under those circumstnces.
Erm more tourism? Kidding
Surprisingly not much noise so far.
Either the new regime is commitment to acting surreptitiously or there really is nothing going on.
Either the new regime is commitment to acting surreptitiously or there really is nothing going on.
There's no need to panic. We should only be signing a player if they're the right profile and the right price.
There's no way we're finishing top 5 and no way we're getting relegated, so take midtable and kick on next season
There's no way we're finishing top 5 and no way we're getting relegated, so take midtable and kick on next season