Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion

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crossy1686 said:
Just saw that West Ham want £110m for Paqueta after City offered £80m plus £10m add on's. This window is fecking mad, they can absolutely pay up for McTomminay once they sell Paqueta.
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Just want £40m no more than that
 
Revan said:
Of course they are. They have won 2 since we won the last one, and made another couple of finals since then, plus multiple semi-finals. They have a manager who has won it and has made another final, and as a team are stronger than us.

The last time we made semi-finals was in 2011. In the last 10 years we have made quarter finals only twice. The best our manager has ever done is reaching semis, once. In every single aspect they are better than us and thus have a higher chance of winning it.

Even without this signing, they are bookies second favorite to win UCL, while we are seventh.
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If ancient history was the be all and end all, Manchester City wouldn't be European champions right now. What matters is the here and now. Basically, City are easily the best side around. Then you have a whole group of clubs with little between them. We are in that pack. The Kane signing massively changes that though of course.
 
Remember the geese said:
If ancient history was the be all and end all, Manchester City wouldn't be European champions right now. What matters is the here and now. Basically, City are easily the best side around. Then you have a whole group of clubs with little between them. We are in that pack. The Kane signing massively changes that though of course.
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We are not in that pack yet. Until we challenge for the league or UCL, that is just wishful thinking.
 
crossy1686 said:
Just saw that West Ham want £110m for Paqueta after City offered £80m plus £10m add on's. This window is fecking mad, they can absolutely pay up for McTomminay once they sell Paqueta.
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But they don't need him now, they have already signed one average homegrown midfielder for 30m.

They will aim higher now, maybe going for Kudus and giving him the release clause he wants.
 
Idxomer said:
But they don't need him now, they have already signed one average homegrown midfielder for 30m.

They will aim higher now, maybe going for Kudus and giving him the release clause he wants.
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Believe me when I say that Moyes wants him to play AM and use him like a Fellani or Cahill. It's a team he dreams of building.
 
AneRu said:
So we knew that we'd sell to West Ham, we knew KMJ would improve us as would Amrabat but we are risking/risked both deals because we were waiting for the dominos to fall on the Rice deal. I repeat again, why then didn't we just seek bridging finance to seal the deal and work on the Maguire exit later. The funny thing is we are now holding the Maguire sale because we don't know who to replace him with. Gross mismanagement, again and again.
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You're so gullible with everything you read that suits your agenda and it is so clear to see.

There was zero risk on Kim because he was never a serious candidate by the club. No need to be.

Amrabat is in no rush to get to United and offloading players and seeing the paper trail for FFP is necessary. Pumping in lines of credit don't aid for FFP.

United know who they are targeting and have already held negotiations. The window doesn't close until 3 weeks.

This isn't gross mismanagement, far from it.

Come off it, you're having a right mare.
 
Idxomer said:
But they don't need him now, they have already signed one average homegrown midfielder for 30m.

They will aim higher now, maybe going for Kudus and giving him the release clause he wants.
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They don't need him is crushing news
 
edcunited1878 said:
You're so gullible with everything you read that suits your agenda and it is so clear to see.

There was zero risk on Kim because he was never a serious candidate by the club. No need to be.

Amrabat is in no rush to get to United and offloading players and seeing the paper trail for FFP is necessary. Pumping in lines of credit don't aid for FFP.

United know who they are targeting and have already held negotiations. The window doesn't close until 3 weeks.

This isn't gross mismanagement, far from it.

Come off it, you're having a right mare.
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Utd are taking all of those 3 weeks unfortunately
 
Revan said:
We are not in that pack yet. Until we challenge for the league or UCL, that is just wishful thinking.
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Well we knocked Barcelona out of the Europa League last season. I assume they are deemed to be comparable to Real Madrid, Bayern etc. I think we would be a match for anyone.
 
croadyman said:
Utd are taking all of those 3 weeks unfortunately
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For a backup player never getting into the squad before international break...totally fine.

Thus how the priorities were laid out and well done. We're shifting 3rd choice at best players at their positions and replacing them with players with similar depth positions.
 
crossy1686 said:
Believe me when I say that Moyes wants him to play AM and use him like a Fellani or Cahill. It's a team he dreams of building.
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I doubt it, McTominay unlike Fellaini isn't great at using his size and has never played that kind of role anyway.

I think Moyes and WHU will go for someone more flashy to replace Paqueta if he's sold.
 
edcunited1878 said:
For a backup player never getting into the squad before international break...totally fine.

Thus how the priorities were laid out and well done. We're shifting 3rd choice at best players at their positions and replacing them with players with similar depth positions.
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Amrabat will go elsewhere if we keep dithering
 
Remember the geese said:
Well we knocked Barcelona out of the Europa League last season. I assume they are deemed to be comparable to Real Madrid, Bayern etc. I think we would be a match for anyone.
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And Sevilla knocked out of Europa. So I assume by the same logic, Sevilla is in that group too.
 
edgecutter said:
It's moving players out while they have some value. McTominays form for Scotland has given him some value, but I'd he stays with us he'll rarely play and when he does it will show how below par he actually is. I always dread when he needs to start fo us because 9 time.out of 10 we are losing the midfield battle
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He will play cup games, etc. so maybe wontbe that bad. Also what if he forms good partnership with the likes of Mount (or even Amrabat)?
 
croadyman said:
That's because it will help
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How will McTominay not being here help?

I think you mean selling him AND then getting a replacement in who is better for around the same money will help.

Which is a very different, more difficult thing to achieve. See the last decade for evidence.

But that player e.g. Amrabat can be bought now. There's no way it's purely conditional on selling McTominay.
 
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croadyman said:
How else is missing out on best around in his position not considered catastrophic
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We missed out on a good player. We have missed out on genuine superstars earlier too. This notion that we don't sign every player we go after and it being a "catastrophe" is silly at best.

Trust in the manager and just see that we have gotten most of our first choice targets this season. How is that not better than a catastrophe?
 
croadyman said:
Allows us to get a better backup for Casemiro and the backup ST we need too
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Selling Henderson and Williams achieves the same. The loss of those two wouldn't be felt at all.

But again, you then have to go get the right kind of replacements/players in for the sale to improve us.

Someone like Amrabat isn't a guaranteed way of doing that. It's a huge step up for him.
 
Marwood said:
Selling Henderson and Williams achieves the same. The loss of those two wouldn't be felt at all.
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Buy they don’t play, whereas McTominay does. So if he is sold, we are no longer playing an average player.
 
Marwood said:
Other young players not being given a shot has nothing to do with McTomimay though. That's a completely seperate issue to do with whoever was the manager at the time.

We've also seen many other players over the last decade get far too many minutes for a club like United. McTomimay is just one more example.

Clearly McTomimay has had decent/good spells and has been part of some really good team performances. So you are underselling him. When he started to replace Matic few complained.

The problem has been his own consistency and his role in the squad. He shouldn't have been a first choice player.

But posters alsmost seem convinced just selling him will improve us. As if him not being here will help. Silly stuff.
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Even when Scott was given his shot there were better players in the academy. Being part of some good teams doesn’t mean much. He was part of teams that never stood a chance of winning a title for a start.

And I very much complained when he started to replace Matic. He has never been able to pass the ball, and I saw that as a huge problem from day one and continue to do so today. He cannot play centre midfield for Manchester United.
 
Rozay said:
Even when Scott was given his shot there were better players in the academy. Being part of some good teams doesn’t mean much. He was part of teams that never stood a chance of winning a title for a start.

And I very much complained when he started to replace Matic. He has never been able to pass the ball, and I saw that as a huge problem from day one and continue to do so today. He cannot play centre midfield for Manchester United.
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Not sure that's true but so what anyway? You're saying this as if its a tick in the negative column for Scott. It's nothing to do with him.
 
Alemar said:
Buy they don’t play, whereas McTominay does. So if he is sold, we are no longer playing an average player.
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You know the manager doesn't have to select him right? Or at least not all that often. He doesn't have to be out of the club for his first choice days to be over.
 
Rozay said:
Even when Scott was given his shot there were better players in the academy. Being part of some good teams doesn’t mean much. He was part of teams that never stood a chance of winning a title for a start.

And I very much complained when he started to replace Matic. He has never been able to pass the ball, and I saw that as a huge problem from day one and continue to do so today. He cannot play centre midfield for Manchester United.
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Yeah needs to be sold before Sept 2
 
If West Ham lose Paqueta and when Brighton lose Caicedo, both those teams have lost their two best central midfielders... I know Brighton might sound far fetched, but isn't there a minor chance they could be interested? West Ham should be extremely hot if Paqueta leaves...
 
Bogga said:
If West Ham lose Paqueta and when Brighton lose Caicedo, both those teams have lost their two best central midfielders... I know Brighton might sound far fetched, but isn't there a minor chance they could be interested? West Ham should be extremely hot if Paqueta leaves...
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Think he has been loosely linked before but no way is he good enough on the ball for them
 
Marwood said:
You know the manager doesn't have to select him right?
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He would have never selected him if he had alternatives. Give him alternatives, selling everyone who is below par and reinvesting proceeds

In fairness, it’s not that much dross left now (when Maguire and Fred bids were accepted). Henderson, Bailly, Williams, VDB, Martial - that’s all to be disposed of apart from McTominay, and then we suddenly don’t have a single subpar player in the squad
 
Alemar said:
He would have never selected him if he had alternatives. Give him alternatives, selling everyone who is below par and reinvesting proceeds

In fairness, it’s not that much dross left now (when Maguire and Fred bids were accepted). Henderson, Bailly, Williams, VDB, Martial - that’s all to be disposed of apart from McTominay, and then we suddenly don’t have a single subpar player in the squad
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Selling Henderson looks awkward
 
I think we will be receiving less next summer, highly doubt Scott is going to break in to team, never mind keep his minutes up to command a 35m fee. Seems a nice fella Scott, think maybe if was too much at this stage of the window for United.
 
Morpheus 7 said:
I think we will be receiving less next summer, highly doubt Scott is going to break in to team, never mind keep his minutes up to command a 35m fee. Seems a nice fella Scott, think maybe if was too much at this stage of the window for United.
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Yeah dumb decision to reject offer Utd
 
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