Definitely not he's stealing a living
Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion
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Definitely not he's stealing a living
Hopefully Paqueta refuses to play against Bournemouth to force through the deal. I'd say City's current reported bid is more than fair and they'll replace him for half that.
Yeah we need that to happen
No he fecking isn't
He's still here because the manager sees a use for him.No he fecking isn't
God knows why
Really annoying, as I felt if he left, we'd get Amrabat or another able deputy/partner for Casemiro at least.
Which would mean 1 decent midfielder for 2 unconvincing ones vacating, which would in turn create some space to give the likes of Mainoo and Hannibal, both who we seem determined to keep around, the opportunity to grow and potentially become class additions to an already good midfield.
We know what McTom is about, he's not going to improve, and it's not unreasonable to think those 2 youngsters will end up being better players than him pretty quickly if allowed opportunities to develop (at the very least, neither hides from the ball, and they both know what to do with the ball at their feet).
Which would mean 1 decent midfielder for 2 unconvincing ones vacating, which would in turn create some space to give the likes of Mainoo and Hannibal, both who we seem determined to keep around, the opportunity to grow and potentially become class additions to an already good midfield.
We know what McTom is about, he's not going to improve, and it's not unreasonable to think those 2 youngsters will end up being better players than him pretty quickly if allowed opportunities to develop (at the very least, neither hides from the ball, and they both know what to do with the ball at their feet).
Probably because he knows football better than you?
And what about the managers who wouldn't play him unless their life defended on it? You can play this game all day. There's ample evidence in terms of simple metrics that he isn't very good compared to his competitors at similar sized clubs in the UK/Europe, and that whatever decision-making processes the club is deploying (ones which we've seen criticised elsewhere) is what's stopping him moving. No one wants to throw out youth products for the sake of it - everyone would like Scott to be an agile, sharp box to box player with great interception skills and judgement and able to deal comfortably with the press. People have made hasty judgements previously - but that's applied to 20, 21 year olds in certain cases; Scott's 27/. He might get slightly better in a specific role but he's not going to radically improve.
People are critical because they can see in broad strokes how effective clubs at the top end tend to be run, and they think United should be, as GN has it 'best in class' to the extent that finances allow . What if it comes out later that there's a divide in the football exc team on his talent or suitability, and that impasse is the reason why he isn't moving, much like we'e had impasses previously that have stopped the club signing players or properly refreshing teh squad through departures. Or that SAF is advising ETH or the Exec team to keep Scott- notably SAF's decision making, in terms of recommending managers to clubs, and not just Moyes has been shown to be rather more indulgent than when it came to his own team as manager (a ruthlessness for which we were all thankful) and we know that he's been advising both the manager and CEO (there's a whole thread on it). Will this still be necessarily good decision-making?
Wouldn't have thought McTominay was secretly triggering so many passions.
No he fecking isn't
The manager wouldn't have signed him in a million years he's just been lumbered with him.
Information coming out is that the hold up is the departures for Fred and Donny. Once those 2 are gone Amrabat comes in.
Christ what a bunch of BS...
We have other departures as well, why wait for VDB when there is no bid even. Fred as well - it’s been 2 months of rumours and he is still here
A bit annoyed we are holding on to him when he doesn't offer any sort of logical backup or systemic qualities for us.
KDB just went off injured. Paqueta deal definitely getting done. Wouldn't be surprised if it's done by Monday. Hopefully West Ham come back in for Mctominay.
If Paquetta is £100m then feck me Scotty is worth £50m. Just have playing as a second striker Fellini style and he'll bag 20 a season.
Not just Romano. Whitwell too.
Including EtH. Another idiot.
He's good in the air defensively.
Once again, you're saying this based on not much. Why are you so sure KMJ didn't prefer Bayern all along? A club with more chance of a league title and of winning the Champions League and where he's got a better chance to start?
But nope, easier to blame Maguire.
See? Fred's basically gone now. And we're in discussions with Real Sociedad for VDB. That'll likely be done by next week.
Patience is a valuable thing to have.
That’s something you are saying to an amateur carp fisher
Wanting City to add yet another player purely down to your desperation to see they back of McT is bizarre to me
West Ham aren't replacing Paqueta with McTominay.
Thanks for pouring cold water and giving us absolutely zero hope he gets sold
Sorry but I just struggle to imagine anybody being daft enough to believe he could replace Paqueta. I said they'd be daft to try to replace Rice with him, because he can't carry out the same role, had far less quality and there were better and cheaper alternatives. To try to replace Paqueta with him is an even worse idea and I just don't think Moyes would even dream of it.
To be fair, Moyes thought it was a good idea to replace Scholes with Fellaini, so there is still hope.
Saying that, we fecked it big time by not selling him. When we put him at the same price as Gallagher or Ward Prowse, obviously every sane club would go for them instead.
Just sign him for different role Moyesy
He's obviously not a 1:1 replacement but after losing Rice and possibly Paqueta they have to remodel that entire midfield if not team (still more players want to leave, including forwards). They are looking at more creative, attacking midfield options (Kudus perhaps) but they've been bad at conducting their business. McTominay is not a priority target at the moment but they could come back for him this window. No certainty, of course. But he's homegrown and the right age and they'll need some cover or rotation with the EL games.
The most optimistic among us mentioned other suitors but I will believe when I see it (and by see it I mean a tweet relaying dubiously accurate rumors).
The most important factor in all this : Is the club actively looking to sell ? I'm not sure. I assumed the idea was to cover Amrabat fees with this sale, but most reports word it as Fred + DVB out = a new signing in so...
They were already looking at McTominay before the Paqueta stuff. So I don't think that's really relevant.
It might be the case that they don't pursue him because of JWP, but I think they're different players.
With all this money you could see Alvarez to hold, McTominay as a box to box option, Paqueta will need a direct replacement. Then JWP because he's a sensible body to have that will always do a solid job. You need more than 3 good options.
It might be the case that they don't pursue him because of JWP, but I think they're different players.
With all this money you could see Alvarez to hold, McTominay as a box to box option, Paqueta will need a direct replacement. Then JWP because he's a sensible body to have that will always do a solid job. You need more than 3 good options.
Still have serious doubts they go in again
The key here is they are looking to loan Downes to Southampton.
Their midfield right now consists of JWP Alvarez and Soucek for the 2 holding midfield positions in a 4-2-3-1 that they always play. That is nowhere near enough and unless they have another Rice coming out of their academy they will be in the market regardless of Paqueta's situation. Also Soucek has not been good at all the last couple of seasons and the majority of West Ham fans wanted him replaced in this transfer window. They will definitely sign another midfielder whether that is Mctominay or another target remains to be seen.
Show us the money
I'm optimistic they come back in for him mainly because of Moyes. They're both Scottish, Mctominay's Agent Played with Moyes, Moyes loves a tall centre midfielder that can slot into defence or be used in attack, Mctominay is a good all around player that can be used in many different positions for a team like West Ham.
I think it will happen, he's much more of a Moyes player than say a Gallagher. Only reason why it wouldn't happen imo is if the director of football has control over the transfer targets but I think they're backing Moyes over him due to the signings of Maguire and JWP. There seems to be something of a power struggle going on between them.
He isnt and wont be as good as the big F ever. Fellaini is truly underrated here. I will take prime Fellaini playing as another 8 in 433 rather than McT and Fred. He was the victim of Moyes's ineptitude. Van Gaal bring the best out of him. Also put McT in that Everton team and he wont do even half what Fellaini did. He was terrorizing defenders as quasi no 10 during his Everton days. Moyes trying to convert him to CDM is dumb as feck considering he already managed him before. If there is another player now who played like Fellaini during his Everton days he will go for at least 50m+ in this current market.
Scott improved a lot since ETH came in. Remember he legit benched Casemiro the first 6 games. Problem is he’ll never get enough of a run to hit his rhythm. He’s an attacking player who’s pretty good at carrying the ball but also good at defending and set pieces. I would also want him sold but not at desperation prices like £30m. Bloody hell if Rice is worth £100m then we’d be foolish to accept anything less than £40m for Scott. He scores for Scotland all the time as well.
Surely we can push West Ham up to £40m,failing that maybe Newcastle or Brighton could rekindle interest again
Likewise to what everyone else’s saying, I think we need to sell McT before we’re able to make a move for Amrabat, to comply with FFP regulations.
Give it another day and Liverpool might be interested
Think money from Fred, van de Beek and Kovar sales will be enough for us to get Amrabat. Then Maguire money will get us Pavard or Todibo. Hopefully.
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