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Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion
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Give us the cash West Ham
Yeah that’s who they want as part of deal so I think that would likely end interest in Mctominay.
This is the difference between us and more serious clubs and it just doesn't end at not pushing on for deals like KMJ either. If we were serious we would have pushed for Caicedo. Sometimes it's not always about getting the player you want but it's about beating the competition to a player you know would strengthen them.
I guess it had to take ETH stamping his foot down on DDG otherwise we would have condemned ourselves to another season of howlers and panic stations each time a team pushed up on us.
Please don't crush our hopes of raising funds for that badly needed backup ST
Internally West Ham was a mess and they only started manifesting interest very late. Not to detract from the larger point.
Yep again you are absolutely bang on
Weren't there allegedly other teams interested in him too? We seem to have thrown all our eggs in the West Ham basket here
That is a shockingly bad midfield and no creativity at all
Not our worry
Supposedly Newcastle
Do you think that if Harry Maguire's agent had been told at the start of the tour: 'Harry is not part of our plans, he will be fourth choice at best and is not going on tour' he would have waited for West Ham or would have tried harder to find a club?
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To be fair, he probably should have been moved on at 20. That Scott made it out of the academy in the first place based on his time in the youth setup would be considered largely unjustified by most observers. Of course, we can just respond to that by simply saying ‘yea, like you know better than the pros’ and I guess that will be the end of that. But many of us have followed the academy for years and seen many high performing players sold without anything close to resembling the chance Scott got. We have also seen some of the best ones get a chance and ultimately not make it, but what is extremely rare is to see a prospect of the performance level of McTominay at youth level be rewarded with not only a debut, but several games.
He didn’t come in and impress either. The caf felt sorry for him. Said ‘it’s not his fault he is being used to make a point to Pogba’ or something to that effect. Gary Neville politely suggested that perhaps his long term future lay as a defender as he did not see the midfield qualities. Yet he was given hundreds of games so that 7 years later, we can arrive at the sum total of ‘he can be a decent squad player’. I think it’s not unreasonable to suggest that a number of players let go could do the same if given hundreds of games. Charlie Savage perhaps the latest example that can’t be blamed for looking at Scott thinking that could easily be him. But instead, he’s sold to the Championship, and even he was more highly rated than McTominay was at 20. Had he been let go at the time, he’d have done very well to land in the Championship. He wasn’t impressive and it’s odd that he even got a first team debut IMO let alone all the games he got. Hannibal Mejbri who was considered the second best talent in France (who produce the best players) and was signed for near 10m, AND won academy player of the year can only dream of getting anything like the treatment McTominay has gotten. And I think it’s fair to argue that by 26, he’d at least be seen as a decent squad player.
Yeah we messed about and paid a heavy price
We will never get an offer like £30m again
As I say, I wouldn't disagree with the larger point. I'm not sure there would have been a lot of buyers for Maguire.
You're so deluded into thinking how straightforward it is, not taking into account that many other clubs with cash and massive need for a CB of Kim's quality were nowhere near signing him....because player had sights in Bayern and Bayern only.
Caicedo would have cost the equivalent of Mount and Onana...and he's a different player and need compared to Mount, so don't say he, Caicedo, is a modern day non injured Owen Hargreaves at his peak because he isn't.
How the heck can you not say United are a serious club? Especially now under EtH and Murtough? It's as if you've buried your head in the sand and not cared about the crazy transfer window and seen how methodical and deliberate United have been.
Squad turnover takes time and from where this squad was under Jose and Ole, under Woodward, it's getting changed in the correct manner knowing how difficult it is to move on senior players with low value when considering their wages.
Yeah he wanted Bayern because face facts United didn't do enough to make him feel wanted
Or maybe because he wanted Bayern and thought they were better placed to win trophies, compete for CL than ManUtd.
Really? He was bang on 5th choice last season, he had his captaincy taken away from him...his lack of self awareness obviously didn't go astray if he couldn't even see what was happening to him while everybody else could see it.
EtH has obviously told him he's not first choice at either CB position, he's only valid at RCB, which pushed him behind Varane and Lindelof.
Oh by the way, him not playing consistently legitimately threatened his England CB position and he's fortunate the WC was in the middle of the season instead of summer.
And not even a vice captain and nowhere near the armband in preseason.
But the club never told him his actual standing?
Whilst being potentially 3rd choice at United
WHU will be in for him once Paqueta is off, I'm sure.
Please let that happen
Our actions show that we aren't serious. Turning down good money for McTominay and now we have held the sale of Maguire because we haven't decided on a first choice replacement on a player we have wanted out since January. When we dropped him from first choice to third choice what did we think would be the outcome for an England CB?
We don't look like we came into the window prepared for the eventuality that Maguire would be sold despite missing out on KMJ because we couldn't sell in time and now we are delaying the sale because we haven't decided on a first choice replacement. Who does that and what's next? Holding up the sale until we conclude the purchase of his replacement and what if West Ham pull out and walk away?
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? I don't know what you have in your mind and I won't bother explaining either. But it was quite clear from Jan that we have limited budget and we need to sell before we can buy more. That's exactly what we have done. Again, nothing more than what I have explained earlier.Because he was never a priority. CM, GK, ST were the priorities. Anything else is dependent on sales.
Chelsea, City, Arsenal, etc...they all needed or signed a CB, yet they chose to pay more than Kim for their players or didn't have any interest in him, similar to the lack of interest United had.
Moyes wants a Scottish player in his squad.
Laughable isn't it. So unless we communicate it via club's official instagram Maguire won't understand that he isn't the preferred choice anymore.
Hmm, thanks for the info.
Just take him Moyesy
So you think it's hilarious to expect a business to seek bridging finance for a key purchase which they would pay off on concluding a sale a few weeks/months later? I don't think you have any explaining worth listening to if you find this worthy of mockery.Short term fund
Serious negotiators, such as the new executive United hired from adidas, know their values based on many factors and have to be prepared to walk and not continue to undervalue their assets in order to set a precedent moving forward.
United have already identified their CB replacements for Harry...unless again you're just choosing to ignore that. It was Disasi, Todibo, Tapsoba, and Pavard. One name might be wrong (Tapsoba), but the others have rung true.
Declan Rice being sold finally set off the dominos. Market situations have to be realized first in order for other things to happen. Harry's time is now because he wasn't a priority, however, it didn't stop United identifying their realistic options knowing what had to happen first...CM, exploring the CF market, GK.
Better placed to win the Bundesliga, sure. The Champions League? No, not really.
Other young players not being given a shot has nothing to do with McTomimay though. That's a completely seperate issue to do with whoever was the manager at the time.
We've also seen many other players over the last decade get far too many minutes for a club like United. McTomimay is just one more example.
Clearly McTomimay has had decent/good spells and has been part of some really good team performances. So you are underselling him. When he started to replace Matic few complained.
The problem has been his own consistency and his role in the squad. He shouldn't have been a first choice player.
But posters alsmost seem convinced just selling him will improve us. As if him not being here will help. Silly stuff.
We know Harry has a thick head, but come on. A few folks think it's just so easy to pick up a controller and sign Kim, Kane, Caicedo, Onana, Bellingham, Pavard, Hojlund, and sell Bailly, Telles, DVB, McTominay, Maguire, Henderson, Fred, Martial for equal cash and call it a net spend of zero because why not.
That's because it will help
Not enough creativity. They need somebody to make the chances that Paqueta was providing.
That midfield would be incredibly solid, though.
Of course they are. They have won 2 since we won the last one, and made another couple of finals since then, plus multiple semi-finals. They have a manager who has won it and has made another final, and as a team are stronger than us.
The last time we made semi-finals was in 2011. In the last 10 years we have made quarter finals only twice. The best our manager has ever done is reaching semis, once. In every single aspect they are better than us and thus have a higher chance of winning it.
Even without this signing, they are bookies second favorite to win UCL, while we are seventh.
So we knew that we'd sell to West Ham, we knew KMJ would improve us as would Amrabat but we are risking/risked both deals because we were waiting for the dominos to fall on the Rice deal. I repeat again, why then didn't we just seek bridging finance to seal the deal and work on the Maguire exit later. The funny thing is we are now holding the Maguire sale because we don't know who to replace him with. Gross mismanagement, again and again.
Just saw that West Ham want £110m for Paqueta after City offered £80m plus £10m add on's. This window is fecking mad, they can absolutely pay up for McTomminay once they sell Paqueta.
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