Yeah Maguire is very solid in the air but he’s sure to leave? (Wish we could have signed that Kim fella.)
Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion
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Absolutely steaming how he went elsewhere,don't blame Erik that was fully down to the clubs inability to sell him quickly
What could have been…
I think Maguire’s probably not making it easy for us to move him on but he’s become an albatross.
Maguire aint worth anywhere near 40m and its laughable if anyone thinks so. He's a meme, 4th or 5th choice cb. Unwanted for united and everyone knows it. Plus he's 30. 40 would be fecking amazing.
We should have just given West Ham £40m + McTominay + Maguire for Declan Rice.
That would be a hilariously bad deal. McTominay isn’t even that much worse than Rice.
£65M-£70M is what i expect for the pair. McTominay should command a higher fee given his age and wage. So maybe £40M for McT and £25M-£30M for Maguire. I don’t think this is unreasonable valuation at all. Whether any club is willing to pay up is another matter.
Is he injured?
Oh, please
Yes, hurt his knee in injury time ironically enough against Dortmund. Not been any announcement but he was clearly in a lot of discomfort and has not trained since. Hope it is just a mild sprain or bruising but we are very secretive when it comes to player injuries so he could be walking on a prosthetic for all I know.
You’re right - Scott is more proven at a top club and is more influential at international level.Oh, please
Think we can safely say the answer is no
Indeed.
Will have to compromise on a joint figure
Lost 4:0 to Leverkusen, I hope this urges them to sign some new players.
They haven't signed a single player this summer, they are in Europe and are in desperate need. I think we could fleece them on the price
Lovely.
Come on Moyesie, force your board to lash out 60m plus for these 2 and we'll forgive you a tiny amount of the disastrous season we had with you.
He isn’t, he’s a great player for West Ham.Oh, please
Yup.
What the feck are West Ham playing at? 105 million sale and they can't find a signing. Crazy, crazy stuff. Need to pull their finger out and get a fair bid down for a player like McTominay that improves their lineup.
60m pounds- 35 for McTominay and 25 for Maguire
People on here adamant on high fee need to really understand what the 'Sunken cost fallacy' is before maintaining Maguire is worth a ton. It's better to cut loose at some point and recover even a fraction vs investing further into a failing endeavor.
"The sunk cost fallacy is our tendency to continue with an endeavor we've invested money, effort, or time into—even if the current costs outweigh the benefits."
"The sunk cost fallacy is our tendency to continue with an endeavor we've invested money, effort, or time into—even if the current costs outweigh the benefits."
I don't think it's about time or effort spent, though. Most of our thinking around Maguire is probably on avoiding a book loss because we are sailing close to the wind after this summer's business. His not very good is still our best 4th choice CB good so until we can achieve a deal that enables a replacement within FFP parameters then it's more about financial pragmatism and maintaining squad depth than pride over what we spent on him.
Let's say we sell Fred and McTominay for suitable fees, then maybe the "sunk cost fallacy" comes into play as we may be able to absorb a loss on Maguire simply to shift his wages and rather cumbersome presence as squad depth.
In this case it's agreeable the factor about big money spent remains as an argument to try to recoupe and sure, the technicalities of the FFP system do requires certain cost recuperation. People in charge of our dealings have as of late to some extent eliminated historical time and effort sentiment aspects out of the fallacy but can't fully ignore the math as you say. But should if not already calculate the minimum point in regards to FFP and be prepared to cut loose at or perhaps slightly below that figure. It's high time to let go.
Yeah fecking ludicrous isn't it
What you defining as suitable fees for them?
McTominay makes Rice look like he's worth renaming the "Makelele" role for.
United fans love to shit on McTom but he is a very experienced player that can offer a lot to West Ham.
The club seems to be negotiating better for incoming signings (debatable but the intent seems correct) so it will be interesting to see how they deal with outgoings!
The first problem being, only one club seems interested in the players United have up for sale...McTom(West Ham) Maguire(West Ham) Fred(Galatasaray) Henderson(Forest)
Need a few rival bids to get things rolling...someone give Eni Aluko a nudge.
The club seems to be negotiating better for incoming signings (debatable but the intent seems correct) so it will be interesting to see how they deal with outgoings!
The first problem being, only one club seems interested in the players United have up for sale...McTom(West Ham) Maguire(West Ham) Fred(Galatasaray) Henderson(Forest)
Need a few rival bids to get things rolling...someone give Eni Aluko a nudge.
We don't actively want to sell McTominay, so I think £40m seems about right, it's probably shocking for many as we always seem to want to sell our players, hence the horrible fees we usually get, but this time West Ham will have to pony up if they want him.
Fred allegedly has at least 3 sides interested - Fulham Gala and one of the Saudi clubs; its just willingness to pay vs 'attractiveness of league', i.e. we could get close to double what Gala ,and maybe Fulham, have offered from Saudi, but would he go there right now, even for the presumably 2 or 3x wages...
I do not think we will have much FFP problems if we sell McTominay, even if we sell Maguire with a small loss. Essentially, the contracts are amortized so while we would be spending around 200m (providing we buy Amrabat too), those players are on 5 years contract so effectively in the books that is 200m/5=40m. Just selling McTominay alone for 35m almost covers those signings. We also sold Elanga and Zidane for around 20m. We will probably sell Fred too, so we should be fine even if we take a 5m or so loss in Maguire. Bear in mind that we quite lowered the salary bill by releasing Ronaldo and De Gea, and we can do it further by selling Maguire, Fred, McTominay. So we should be ok with FFP.
Also, I do not think we need to sign another CB this season. Shaw can play there as fourth choice, in which case one of Dalot or Malacia deputizes Shaw as left back. We can play Evans there too for cup games, and maybe even Bailly who is essentially unsellable and in the last year of his contract. They are worse than Maguire, but you do not need that good players in the early stages of League Cup or FA Cup, or in matches where we are winning 3-0 or so and want to give a 20 minutes rest to Varane or Lisandro.
So all in all, if we get 25m for Maguire and save 20m on his salary (next 2 years), that is 45m saved. That is too much for a 4-5th choice CB, who won’t have any resale value.
Honestly, I think we should have sold both him and Lindelof and buy Kim. I think Lindelof is a quite good CB and good backup, but he is also 29 so his resale value is lowering. We might have generated enough money from them to pay Kim’s clause and then have 3 very good CBs. I think quality > quantity, we do not need to have too many players, as long as they are quality. For whatever reasons we try to have a giant squad but without much quality.
I firmly believe both McT and Maguire would be excellent for West Ham. Getting them both for between £60-£70m would be great business.
£35m is fair.
His value is only going to go down this season so unless he is happy being a 3rd choice for the rest of his Utd career, making up the homegrown numbers in the squad on a modest wage, then we should be selling whilst his stock is relatively high and he shouldn’t be wanting to stick around.
I like Scott but his time is up.
His value is only going to go down this season so unless he is happy being a 3rd choice for the rest of his Utd career, making up the homegrown numbers in the squad on a modest wage, then we should be selling whilst his stock is relatively high and he shouldn’t be wanting to stick around.
I like Scott but his time is up.
Worried we’ll end up with McTominay and Henderson sat on our bench because of the asking prices. I’d be amazed if anybody is paying 40m for McTominay
30m for Scott and 20m for Henderson is a decent fee in my opinion. 50m towards a new midfielder
30m for Scott and 20m for Henderson is a decent fee in my opinion. 50m towards a new midfielder
That's exactly what's gonna happen now
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