Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion

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EricEricDjembaDjemba said:
In 2021 United signed Varane, who at 28 was 2 years younger than Maguire is now, had won 4 Champions Leagues and 3 La Ligas, was a starting international, and had a much, much better public perception regarding playing skill than Maguire does currently, for £34 million.

Maguire will not command a fee close to £45 million.
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If i remember correctly, part of why Varane's fee was cheap because Madrid also wanted to award their long-serving player. We used to do that years ago under SAF.
 
DSG said:
I was actually quite disappointed in both Maguire and Scotty in the air. Yes, they are tall, but neither really produced in set piece situations in terms of goals. The Ward-prose plus Soucek combo will be deadly though. Soucek just has an incredible knack for finding the ball in those set piece situations.
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And yet Maguire has constantly showed his ability on the international stage. He just hasn’t been used in the same way.
 
I'd rather keep McT than sell him for cheap just for the sake of selling him. He's useful as a squad player.
 
DSG said:
I was actually quite disappointed in both Maguire and Scotty in the air. Yes, they are tall, but neither really produced in set piece situations in terms of goals. The Ward-prose plus Soucek combo will be deadly though. Soucek just has an incredible knack for finding the ball in those set piece situations.
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It's always an interesting discussion on aerial ability.
Clearly it's much easier to win the ball when defending and facing the way the ball is coming, versus scoring goals in the air from set pieces.

There's always the perception that someone you don't own is a constant threat in the air, then when you see them every min of every game for your club it drops off.
We saw the same with Fellaini as we're seeing with Maguire now.

People would probably say Tarkowski or Dunk are aerial beasts, but they don't score that many either from corners/set pieces.
 
worldinmotion66 said:
And yet Maguire has constantly showed his ability on the international stage. He just hasn’t been used in the same way.
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International football is much weaker than the Premier league in general though.
England players will rack up stats playing really weak teams.
 
Halftrack said:
I'd rather keep McT than sell him for cheap just for the sake of selling him. He's useful as a squad player.
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This is what people don't seem to understand, we can't let Mctominay go without a replacement, how much will the replacement cost?
25m is not really that tempting when considering everything.
It's not about his price in isolation.
 
Isotope said:
Yeah. Club like West Ham need to consider resale value. And considering his age, there's no resale value for McTom for West Ham.
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So care to provide some evidence the Hammers look at resale value on their purchase? Aside from Rice they’re pretty dismal at selling on players.
They’re a mid table club and need some quality additions to maintain or possibly improve on last season. Rice is going to be a huge miss for them. If they don’t get in some proven EPL players they’ll be fighting relegation, which is more of a factor then, what can we get for player x in 4 years.
 
Not sure sell on value is the end of the world with McTominay. He's got 2 big contracts left in him, quite possibly. The guy is 26. You should get good service out of him as West Ham. It's not all about the future, they do need to actually survive. What good is money in the bank and sell on values if you get relegated?

Maguire is a different case. At 30 you have to prepare for players showing their age.
 
M Bison said:
If we get an offer of 40m for McT we should bite their hands off. I like McT personally but i would accept a much lower value for him (anything north of 25m), and based on the views of the caf on his performances over the past few years, am surprised at the lofty valuations many have.
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I like McTominay and would always have him in my team ahead of Mount for example. He is very under rated. If he can play regularly for a team and it's beneficial for all parties then good luck to him.
 
Red_toad said:
So care to provide some evidence the Hammers look at resale value on their purchase? Aside from Rice they’re pretty dismal at selling on players.
They’re a mid table club and need some quality additions to maintain or possibly improve on last season. Rice is going to be a huge miss for them. If they don’t get in some proven EPL players they’ll be fighting relegation, which is more of a factor then, what can we get for player x in 4 years.
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True. But on big purchase, surely they will factor in resale value for a club like West Ham.
 
crossy1686 said:
He's been okay, he's never been class.
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Ofcourse he has, otherwise he'd never have made it to Utd captain or England regular during the national teams most successful in period in years.

I'm all for moving the bloke on, and jesus he can look like a donkey - but lets not reinvent history.
 
Syphon Wallet said:
This is what people don't seem to understand, we can't let Mctominay go without a replacement, how much will the replacement cost?
25m is not really that tempting when considering everything.
It's not about his price in isolation.
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Amrabat replaces McTominay, Mount replaces Fred, Mainoo replaces vdB (who never played anyway). No issues here.
 
Utd heap said:
Ofcourse he has, otherwise he'd never have made it to Utd captain or England regular during the national teams most successful in period in years.

I'm all for moving the bloke on, and jesus he can look like a donkey - but lets not reinvent history.
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No one's trying to, he had a couple of good seasons, specifically his first season at United but he's extremely limited and can only play well in one system. If he was more versatile and capable of world class performances, the one and only bid we've received this season wouldn't have been £20m.
 
Halftrack said:
I'd rather keep McT than sell him for cheap just for the sake of selling him. He's useful as a squad player.
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How? Every time he plays he rarely gets on the ball and looks so far off the standard needed for us to even compete against competent teams. We have a chance to actually sell him for some decent money, it's time to get rid.
 
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redflash said:
I'm really interested to see what we manage to do with offloading players.

IMO, we should be looking at 70-80m for the pair. Anything less would be an "L" on our part.

Both starting internationals in peak years in terms of professional performance.

I'd value maguire at 50m and McSauce at 30m.

Anything lower than 45 /25 and we've had our pants down.

Something which has happened far too often in the past.
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:lol:
 
worldinmotion66 said:
If they’re buying these two, they really need to get ward prowse over the line too. The set piece threat would be off the scale.

I think it’s something that we’ve got to consider defensively too. Varane is the only defender we have that has physical presence in our box if Maguire leaves, Casemiro is good in the air too. But beyond that we’re pretty weak comparatively speaking.
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I mentioned this in the Amrabat thread (he's not good in the air) and people said it was antiquated thinking. For what it's worth, I think Lindelof and Evans can make up for what we lose from Maguire and Mctominay aerially. We just have to find a way to get one of them on the field when either Varane or Casemiro isn't playing.
 
It was always going to be West Ham wasn't it.

Whilst the chance is still slim, without Moyes it would be zero.
 
Abraxas said:
Disagree, I'd say 30 million sounds absolutely bog standard for a good PL footballer. Why should be sold for 25% or lower of what Rice went for? They've got the money to spend and I think the club should be holding out for 30-35 as a minimum expectation due to the fact we know they have the money. Otherwise keep him around the squad. No bother for us.
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They don’t absolutely have to buy McTominay with that money, they can look elsewhere. I don’t actually get why they want him in the first place as they’d be better off signing someone younger from abroad or Championship.

It would be bad management to reject £25m and then have to keep him around while they go for another player.
 
FrankWhite said:
I mentioned this in the Amrabat thread (he's not good in the air) and people said it was antiquated thinking. For what it's worth, I think Lindelof and Evans can make up for what we lose from Maguire and Mctominay aerially. We just have to find a way to get one of them on the field when either Varane or Casemiro isn't playing.
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Eh? Maguire and McTominay are much better than Lindelof and Evans in the air
 
McTominay won't be sold. Fred and Donny will leave and we'll get a CM (looks like Amrabat) to replace them. Mainoo and Eriksen will probably share the minutes for the 6th CM. Bruno, Mount, Casemiro, Amrabat/ New CM, McT, Eriksen/Mainoo. Looks fairly good on paper.
 
USREDEVIL said:
Would McTominay be shit as a defender? Didnt he play as CB at some point for a game or something?
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He isn’t even good in his natural position as a midfielder. But somehow he can convert to an even harder position at 27 and be okay?
 
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