So you're happy with this quality of midfielder at Manchester United? After God knows how many years, you're happy with SMT as a starter for Manchester United?
I don't get it. Unless we want to be Everton. Or Palace.
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So you're happy with this quality of midfielder at Manchester United? After God knows how many years, you're happy with SMT as a starter for Manchester United?
I don't get it. Unless we want to be Everton. Or Palace.
Must be something in it if you think he can be compared with Rice.
I don’t even rate Rice that highly and he is comfortably the better player. The other is Enzo Fernandez and despite how shit Chelsea are doing, they will laugh you out of the room, so will any competent board, if you offer to trade McTominay for him.
He will be out of the team when the results change. Until then, hold your nose.
People insisting we should have sold him, what, so we can make a permanent transfer for Amrabat? At least people wouldn't have to deal with the trauma of watching him.
People insisting we should have sold him, what, so we can make a permanent transfer for Amrabat? At least people wouldn't have to deal with the trauma of watching him.
Yeah exactly this. Can’t believe some fans want us to be a mediocre mid table team. Quite staggering actually after so much evidence. Reminds me forcibly of when Fellani was regularly stinking up midfield. Astonishing just how far standards have fallen when people can be pleased to have the likes of McTomminey starting regularly in midfield because that’s what he does.
Please stop with this rubbish.
If we had sold McTominay, we would have signed a different midfielder to Amrabat.
And this mythical midfielder would have no doubt been significantly better than McT, in the same way that Donny, Sabitzer and Amrabat were so obviously better than what we had.
Will be happy when we can move on from him as a starter but there is no point in selling someone just for the sake of selling them. Whatever you think of his performances or the style of play the results have improved with him in the team and clearly Ten Hag has seen some value in him for this spell.
im more impressed by the amount of excuses i see defending mctominay. We dont use him right, our other options are trash, it isnt certain we could bring in someone better, he scores for scotland, blah blah blah. Swear he has more excuses than positive qualities as a midfielder. I at least understand the idea of trying to fit someone like Bruno into a system that we should be playing, but holy hell man a complete nothing of a midfielder in Mctominay is not someone we should be going this hard for. Dude has one fecking positive quality- making a late run into the box to score (and even that is only what 3-4 times a season). At what point does that make him a starter for a supposed top club in the world?
Yes, that is the idea. We can't hang onto players who aren't good enough simply because we don't back ourselves to sign a competent replacement. How backwards is that?
How about we sign the replacement first and have him prove he can play better than Scottie the Scot and then we sell Mr. McTominay after we have the new guy already here.
All right fair enough. It looked like it was Amrabat or no-one, and if that was the case we were better off keeping McT then selling him and outright buying Amrabat. Not sure we were capable of improving on the 15/20 mill people were happy to take for him.
Sounds good in theory, but in the summer just gone, we needed McTominay's sale to fund his replacement. Things may be different now due to Ratcliffe being on board.
Yeah I never wanted us to sign Amrabat in the first place. I couldn't see the thinking behind it. I absolutely wanted us to sell McTominay though in order to fund a higher calibre of player.
I'm not happy unless we start winning trophies. I don't look individually because it is team game. Right now, he is a useful member in the team and does a good silent work. Sadly that dosen't get any credit because of social media pressure and media darlings in newspapers. He doesn't fit the picture how footballer should look like.
We always had players that weren't world stars but did their job in a team. Great job. Even in Fergie days.
He is easily compared to him.
I don't agree with you. There are aspect of the game Rice is better. There are aspects of the game where McTominay is better. But I see them similar looking at qualities although they are different ones.
I mean both.You can’t possibly mean Declan Rice
Must be Caicedo right? Right?
It is not. Watch the games.
Mctominay most 100% definitely is not at the level of Rice and has not played anywhere near his level this season. Mctominay is average to mediocre in most games he plays. He is an anti central midfield player. Whereas Declan rice is mostly everything you’d want from a central midfield player. Very bizarre comments. I can only thing Declan Rice spat in your face or something.
You're right, he can be easily compared to him. The issue is the result of that comparison — he's worse or significantly worse in virtually every characteristic aside from goalscoring.
I don’t like going for stats because eyes don’t lie but even if you look at official statistic you’ll see that McTominay is not worse. Just take into account minutes both played and you would be surprised.
Can you explain to me like I'm 5 what this silent work consists of and what it actually translates to on the pitch?
As for the bold part, who exactly is it that's holding back on giving Scott credit because of social media pressure and whatever the papers say?
He is pretty much the exact opposite of Fletcher in most ways.
Fletch was hugely rated from a young age and had the talent, it was just largely his lack of physicality (fairly slow and weak) that led to him struggling in the first team for the first few years. Once he physically developed a bit he became a key player for 18 months, before it unfortunately came crashing down due to his illness.
Whereas basically the only thing that Scott brings is his physicality. Without that it's likely he never would have even made his first team debut for us.
Once Fletch developed he was comfortably better in central midfield than Hargreaves ever was for us. Hargreaves was best used out on the right and, other than a short period where we partnered him with Anderson, was quite disappointing when used in the centre.
What is the "official statistic"? I'm new with this stuff
In a team you always need different types of players. McTominay is a player that doesn't play to be in spotlight. Like some other players do. He does his work by giving team much needed power, strenght, little bit of dirtyness and so on. He is covering lot of space. He will not be in the team to have ball all the time. He dosen't need to have ball all the time. That is not his role in the team. He is no Scholes and never will be.
Social media is full of little kids where basic knowledge of football they have is about individual of the pitch. It is no coincidence that people change clubs who they support more often because they are just starstrucked. They follow people. Not sport. Those people usually don't understand football as whole and because they are lot of them in social media they will give you some illusion that what they say is right.
When it comes to "ordinary" papers we know how people treat ManUtd players. We sell and the more negative approch there is about us, they think it is better. If some players are lucky they will get more positive attention.
For example, you can look at official stats here.
And which stat is showing you that McTominay is "not worse" than Rice? I am just curious if EPL is showing something that goes contrary to what my eye test tells me when watching both players, and also what I read from fbref.
Yes we all know his qualities by now - athleticism, power, strength, energy, big United heart etc which all mean the exact same thing so all we seem to get out of that on the pitch is a player that covers a lot of space behind the scenes and regularly gives away free kicks in dangerous areas by being half a second too late every other challenge. Awesome. Give him the contract extension asap.
I'm not quite following you with this social media pressure thing either.. are you saying that kids on social media who know nothing about the game are putting pressure on everyone else to not give players like McTominay credit? I must have missed the part where all the mods on the caf are 11 years old and are secretly sending DM's threatening to ban anyone who says nice things in this thread.
Reputation. Social media. Narrative.
If we take for example Pogba. Average to poor player with few good games. He got reputation of being great football player because of social media. Nothing else. When it comes to McTominay it is pretty much other way around. Good player with bad reputation because of social media and also forums like this one.
I like him, like his attitude and he gets Utd. Unfortunately he's fecking shite which is a pretty big stumbling block to our team performances.
What a load of guff. Pogba was genuinely 10 times the player Mctominay is even in a Utd shirt.
Wait, people think Scott is bang average because of media narrative? Not because of what they see with their own eyes week in week out..?
Correct. This plus TIFO videos.
It's just people who watch him week in week out have worse opinion on him.
damn i didnt think id have to add Social Media as an excuse people are using for mctominay now. Geez the list keeps growing.
And, y'know, being a key player for a World Cup winning side.
No trolling here. Why should I?
He had one good season. The rest was so poor that you could actually put a Nation League player to do same work.
And still big manager being here played him. Nobody sold him. I wonder why.
Passenger. We all know who was key players and drove France to trophy.
Guess you were living under a rock when Utd were open to selling him. He is a nothing player and is dispensible.
You can sell every player as long as other teams are willing to pay. Doesn't mean anything.
He is a important player for this team right now.
Because he is the only one available to play. A 19 year old plays better than him.
There were so many times the other night that he’d get the pass and was happy just to pass it straight back to a CB or Onana.
It’s particularly frustrating when he gets it from an incisive pass and actually has time to turn and go forward. He’s far too limited on the ball.
It’s particularly frustrating when he gets it from an incisive pass and actually has time to turn and go forward. He’s far too limited on the ball.
If you are talking about Mainoo so yes. He was dominant in last game. 19 year old as you call him played better than anyone last game.
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