[Zippycup]

So what is your opinion of his game today then? I'm genuinely curious to know.

He was OK. He hasn't played much foot all recently so he was always going to be slightly off his game

That's the bottom line. There were far worse players than him on the pitch today. But as usual he's an easy target.

 

[arthurka]

I have defended him but he is not defendable. Awful player

 

[Zippycup]

I think plenty formed their opinion years ago and he hasn't done anything to change that. Genuinely not sure how you can watch him as a midfielder while understanding the game of football, and think he's a solid option. He's terrible positionally off the ball both defensively and in finding space to receive it, and on the ball he's as poor as they come as a passer. So what's left: He loves the club, tries hard, and has a great shot on him. Are we really pleased with that? Really? After watching clubs in Europe dominate for years and wanting to get back to that level, you geniuenly think Scott McTominay is a good option to be in a squad with those aspirations?

With McTominay it's the case with many fans that they are waiting for him to do the slightest thing wrong so they can jump all over it.
A prime example of that is trying to compare him to arguably the best defensive midfielder in the world. He will never be that level, but that shouldn't be used as a stick to beat him with.
We need squad players. It's that simple.

 

[YikesSchmeics]

A good, honest, hardworking player who is nowhere near good enough for a club that wants to be competing for the biggest trophies. Sadly.

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

McTominay's not a bad player, he's just not what we need. What doesn't help is that he's been playing as a defensive midfielder for essentially his entire career at United now and that doesn't suit him at all.

I think he's quite similar to Conor Gallagher, really. If he ever moves to a lower mid-table Premier League side I imagine he'll become quite a valuable asset for them.

 

[lost7]

He's a ghost as a midfielder.

 

[Steve 007]

Just gives the ball away way too often. He seems to be one of the few players who hasn’t upped his standards this season. I’d have played Fred over him and I never thought I’d say that.

 

[El Jefe]

He has a career due to Jose trolling Pogba. It's astonishing he's lasted this long but won't be surprised to see him fade into obscurity the way Cleverley did after he left us.

If he was three inches shorter he'd be in league one.

 

[Shinjch]

Just a bad footballer, will never be good enough to be a functioning player in a good team. His lack of positional awareness makes him such a liability.

 

[jem]

I have defended him but he is not defendable. Awful player

So why did you defend him? This type of performance is nothing new. He's nowhere near good enough to be even be a squad player.

 

[arthurka]

So why did you defend him? This type of performance is nothing new. He's nowhere near good enough to be even be a squad player.

I was rooting for him when he began. Thought for a while he would step up, sorry he is just awful.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

With McTominay it's the case with many fans that they are waiting for him to do the slightest thing wrong so they can jump all over it.
A prime example of that is trying to compare him to arguably the best defensive midfielder in the world. He will never be that level, but that shouldn't be used as a stick to beat him with.
We need squad players. It's that simple.

See I don't think anyone expects him to be Casemiro or anything close. I think people expect a midfielder at Manchester United to be able to pass the ball competently. He's not a squad player for the reason we've seen countless times, you can't rely on him to competently carry out and do a job if he has to replace someone. Fred is an example of a good squad player. McT isn't.

 

[Andycoleno9]

A good, honest, hardworking player who is nowhere near good enough for a club that wants to be competing for the biggest trophies. Sadly.

Is he really hardworking? Look closely how he defends. He joggs around. He does then and there some reckless tackle/makes stupid foul and people get an impression how he is some kind of warrior of something. Well, he isn't.

 

[jem]

I was rooting for him when he began. Thought for a while he would step up, sorry he is just awful.

Agreed. Seems like a good guy but nowhere near good enough.

 

[Pearl.Jam]

He hasn't played much foot all recently so he was always going to be slightly off his game

Slightly off his game ? Jesus F’kn Christ, so how bad would he have been if he ( in your eyes) had a fvcking stinker ?

 

[Zippycup]

See I don't think anyone expects him to be Casemiro or anything close. I think people expect a midfielder at Manchester United to be able to pass the ball competently. He's not a squad player for the reason we've seen countless times, you can't rely on him to competently carry out and do a job if he has to replace someone. Fred is an example of a good squad player. McT isn't.

You sure about that? People expect the fringe players to be as good as the main players. It's been like this since day dawn.
I remember people saying the same thing about players like Fletcher and Butt.

Fred will be the hero one week and a villain the next.

 

[Zippycup]

Slightly off his game ? Jesus F’kn Christ, so how bad would he have been if he ( in your eyes) had a fvcking stinker ?

Do you think he was the worst player on the pitch? If so take the blinkers off.

 

[Chairman Steve]

He got into positions today where if Casemiro were on the ball, he’d make the right decision 90% of the time. If it was a pass, it would be reaching the intended recipient. If it was to draw a foul, he’d draw it perfectly and we’d get a free kick. McTominay didn’t any of that. The passes were under hit or an Arsenal player would nick it off him cleanly.

Good off the ball but not on it, and that isnt good enough for our aspired level. He’s much better at being a box to box midfielder who leans more into attack.

 

[kaku06]

You don’t get to play as a midfielder for as big a club as Manutd for as long as he has done when you are most talentless hack in the world as a footballer. You do that either by your talent which he obviously doesn’t possess or by sheer luck showered upon you beyond human understanding. My feeling is that he’s the chosen one by god itself. Either by choice or by compromising/forcing the god to do so. Given how many managers he has fooled to date to keep playing him, my money is on compromising the almighty itself.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

With the way Arsenal are playing I was always worried about him in this one. He's just not good enough of a footballer to be playing at that level.

 

[Member 58925]

With McTominay it's the case with many fans that they are waiting for him to do the slightest thing wrong so they can jump all over it.
A prime example of that is trying to compare him to arguably the best defensive midfielder in the world. He will never be that level, but that shouldn't be used as a stick to beat him with.
We need squad players. It's that simple.

It’s not completely unreasonable to say in the long run a club that wants to win the Premier League can do better at backup DM.

 

[Zippycup]

It’s not completely unreasonable to say in the long run a club that wants to win the Premier League can do better at backup DM.

Like who? He was superb at the start of the start of the season and lost his place to the best defensive midfielder in the world.

He's the fans latest 'scapegoat'
It's pathetic that as a fanbase we always have to have one. He didn't even play bad tonight. He wasn't even close to being the worst player on the pitch, yet so many fans get a hard on the moment they realise they have an opportunity to slag him off. As I said. It's pathetic.

 

[Member 58925]

Like who? He was superb at the start of the start of the season and lost his place to the best defensive midfielder in the world.

He's the fans latest 'scapegoat'
It's pathetic that as a fanbase we always have to have one. He didn't even play bad tonight. He wasn't even close to being the worst player on the pitch, yet so many fans get a hard on the moment they realise they have an opportunity to slag him off. As I said. It's pathetic.

I never said he’s a bad player, and let’s look at other clubs’ depth at the position then. Bissouma, Gundugan, Kalvin Phillips, Jorginho, Naby Keita…no world beaters by any means, but all better than McTominay. Forget the big 6 for a moment though, does he start for Brighton and Newcastle?

 

[Remember the geese]

He isn't good enough but that is old news.

 

[Zippycup]

I never said he’s a bad player, and let’s look at other clubs’ depth at the position then. Bissouma, Gundugan, Kalvin Phillips, Jorginho, Naby Keita…no world beaters by any means, but all better than McTominay. Forget the big 6 for a moment though, does he start for Brighton and Newcastle?

Is that why Newcastle want to sign him?
Newcastle who are above us in the league and have the money to buy any player they want?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He's the fans latest 'scapegoat'
It's pathetic that as a fanbase we always have to have one. He didn't even play bad tonight. He wasn't even close to being the worst player on the pitch, yet so many fans get a hard on the moment they realise they have an opportunity to slag him off. As I said. It's pathetic.

It's incredible isn't it.
He was as useful as a fart in an empty room.

Just checking. Is your issue with fans choosing a scapegoat after a bad result? Or choosing a different scapegoat to the one you choose?

And I haven’t seen the stats yet but I’m willing to bet you good money that Weghorst, playing on his own up top, completed more passes today (and probably made more tackles) than our Scottish midfield dynamo.

 

[Siorac]

And I haven’t seen the stats yet but I’m willing to bet you good money that Weghorst, playing on his own up top, completed more passes today (and probably made more tackles) than our Scottish midfield dynamo.

No, he didn't. 27 vs 22 attempted passes with 74.1 and 63.6% completion rate, respectively. McTominay also made 4 tackles vs Weghorst's 1. Wout had 5 interceptions to McT's zero though.

(Also, 27 attempted passes in 90 minutes from a central midfielder at Manchester United is criminal, regardless of Weghorst)

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

Ross County material. He would not even lace Nicky Butt's boots despite the fact that Butt got fewer and fewer playing opportunities as time went by.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

No, he didn't. 27 vs 22 attempted passes with 74.1 and 63.6% completion rate, respectively. McTominay also made 4 tackles vs Weghorst's 1. Wout had 5 interceptions to McT's zero though.

(Also, 27 attempted passes in 90 minutes from a central midfielder at Manchester United is criminal, regardless of Weghorst)

Close enough then. For Weghorst to run him that close shows how diabolical McT played. And when your striker makes 5 interceptions to your DM’s paltry 1. Jesus fecking wept…

 

[Roboc7]

Like who? He was superb at the start of the start of the season and lost his place to the best defensive midfielder in the world.

He's the fans latest 'scapegoat'
It's pathetic that as a fanbase we always have to have one. He didn't even play bad tonight. He wasn't even close to being the worst player on the pitch, yet so many fans get a hard on the moment they realise they have an opportunity to slag him off. As I said. It's pathetic.

He definitely wasn’t superb at the start of the season, he started it with a horrendous performance against Brighton and got dropped after an absolute shocker against City. Probably couple of good game and couple of average ones in between.

We can’t have a squad of world beaters but you don’t settle for mediocrity like Mctominay either. If can’t find players somewhere in the gulf that exists between Casemiro and Mctominay then that’s just complete incompetence.

 

[Zippycup]

[Pp and

Just checking. Is your issue with fans choosing a scapegoat after a bad result? Or choosing a different scapegoat to the one you choose?

And I haven’t seen the stats yet but I’m willing to bet you good money that Weghorst, playing on his own up top, completed more passes today (and probably made more tackles) than our Scottish midfield dynamo.

My issue is fans having the inability to form their own opinion on a player and jumping on the latest bandwagon of the clubs latest scapegoat.
Every single season we have a player who gets dogs abuse for no other reason than its popular to do so.

By all means call a player out for having a shite game but watch the game with your eyes and not by stats, which are usually misleading and only form a small % of a players performance

 

[Zippycup]

He definitely wasn’t superb at the start of the season, he started it with a horrendous performance against Brighton and got dropped after an absolute shocker against City. Probably couple of good game and couple of average ones in between.

We can’t have a squad of world beaters but you don’t settle for mediocrity like Mctominay either. If can’t find players somewhere in the gulf that exists between Casemiro and Mctominay then that’s just complete incompetence.

I'd guarantee the large majority of poster on here would have had an issue with players like Fletcher, Park, O'Shea, Butt and Johnson

You need a squad of players. You need a different mix of players but more importantly you need players who are willing to remain a fringe player and step in when needed.

 

[Jeppers7]

[Pp and

My issue is fans having the inability to form their own opinion on a player and jumping on the latest bandwagon of the clubs latest scapegoat.
Every single season we have a player who gets dogs abuse for no other reason than its popular to do so.

By all means call a player out for having a shite game but watch the game with your eyes and not by stats, which are usually misleading and only form a small % of a players performance

While I agree with the sentiment around stats…..27 attempted passes is diabolical

 

[Zippycup]

While I agree with the sentiment around stats…..27 attempted passes is diabolical

On paper it looks awful, but football isn't played on paper.

I hate stats as it can be used to make or break a point usually ignoring context. I could have a 100% pass success rate and only have passed the ball to my colleague who is standing 5 yards away.

The majority of stats are pointless and used by the media to create talking points.

 

[Pickle85]

Making yourself available for a pass is what makes a team tick and going. McT is the antithesis of this footballing concept

This is what struck me throughout. Seems to actively avoid taking up positions where he may be in danger of being passed to.

 

[Andycoleno9]

@GifLord . 88.00 minute.
That was a pass which killed our promising chance. Minute later he was late 3 fecking times during their goal.

 

[SmashedHombre]

A good, honest, hardworking player who is nowhere near good enough for a club that wants to be competing for the biggest trophies. Sadly.

There’s nothing honest about a player who goes out of his way to not be available for a pass.

 

[Roboc7]

I'd guarantee the large majority of poster on here would have had an issue with players like Fletcher, Park, O'Shea, Butt and Johnson

You need a squad of players. You need a different mix of players but more importantly you need players who are willing to remain a fringe player and step in when needed.

Those were all better than Mctominay though, he’s not in that bracket. You need good squad players not just people happy to be there. You need people who step in and perform not just step in, it’s simply not true that you have to settle for players like Mctominay at this level.

 

[clarkydaz]

I'd guarantee the large majority of poster on here would have had an issue with players like Fletcher, Park, O'Shea, Butt and Johnson

You need a squad of players. You need a different mix of players but more importantly you need players who are willing to remain a fringe player and step in when needed.

McTomminay wouldnt get anywhere near the teams they played in

 

[Zippycup]

Those were all better than Mctominay though, he’s not in that bracket. You need good squad players not just people happy to be there. You need people who step in and perform not just step in, it’s simply not true that you have to settle for players like Mctominay at this level.

All were better because we were winning.
Take away the trophies and it would have been a different story.

Yes. You're going to say they helped us win but it was the core if the team that won the trophies, with the help of the fringe players. The same can't be said for today's starting 11.

Again. McTominay wasnt tje worst player in the pitch tonight. Not by a longshot.