[Giggsyking]

They are estimating 8 weeks now. Our good luck strikes again.

It is not luck, It is stupidity in its simplest form. You sell two midfielders and do not replace them, what do you expect, to have your team fit all season? if this is on Ole or the board, I dont fecking care, it is stupid planning on the level of small clubs planning.

 

[theklr]

It is not luck, It is stupidity in its simplest form. You sell two midfielders and do not replace them, what do you expect, to have your team fit all season? if this is on Ole or the board, I dont fecking care, it is stupid planning on the level of small clubs planning.

Surely their hand must be forced now

 

[Strelok]

They are estimating 8 weeks now. Our good luck strikes again.

According to the Daily Mail though, hope it's not that serious.

 

[Augustus Gloop]

Ole says “a few months” now. Getting longer and longer....

hopefully he can get back sooner. I didn’t think it would be that bad seeing as he completed the 1st half after picking up the knock inside 2 minutes.

 

[TMDaines]

Unreal how different we look against the top sides with and without him.

 

[dev1l]

Unreal how different we look against the top sides with and without him.

He s so underrated

 

[Roboc7]

Unreal how different we look against the top sides with and without him.

Not really City and Arsenal like all the other teams have tweaked their tactics. With or without Mctominay we’re not going to repeat our results from first half of season. Doubt Mctominay would have made much difference tonight.

 

[Based Adnan]

Got injured at the worst time. We have so many big games vs top sides coming up.

 

[Augustus Gloop]

Out until April now according to metro.co.uk ffs. What a shambles not to take him off after he sustained the injury.

 

[Adnan]

Paul Parker:
“Scott McTominay is a good example of the problem. He just runs around trying to kick people, thumping the badge. He’s like a modern-day Robbie Savage. You need more than that." Paul Parker

https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/09/scot...arker-12033778/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

[DoomSlayer]

Out until April now according to metro.co.uk ffs. What a shambles not to take him off after he sustained the injury.

And now we will keep playing Matic until he is dead on his feet. Classic Manchester United. Watch him not being able to move around after 1 month of non-stop playing.

 

[Tarrou]

Why would Parker single out McTominay, the prick? Jesus he's just a youth player trying to make a career for himself. It's not his fault we became overly reliant on him. If this was a Fergie squad he'd be perfect to come in and do a job in the tough games.

 

[roonster09]

Why would Parker single out McTominay, the prick? Jesus he's just a youth player trying to make a career for himself. It's not his fault we became overly reliant on him. If this was a Fergie squad he'd be perfect to come in and do a job in the tough games.

Because it's Paul Parker. Amazing people still listen to him, he is just a twat who shits on everyone.

 

[Catt]

Nobody listens to Paul Parker.

 

[arthurka]

Paul Parker... What no him bashing United that can´t be.
The guy spews nonsense all the time.

 

[Wheato]

Saw him in the park today. Still hobbling. Can't see him back on the pitch before March. This has been a nightmare season for injuries in the PL. We are supposedly in a crisis, but still sitting in 5th and above Arsenal and Spurs! Dunno how Liverpool have managed to keep most of their squad fit this season. They are walking the league unchallenged.

 

[Canagel]

Saw him in the park today. Still hobbling. Can't see him back on the pitch before March. This has been a nightmare season for injuries in the PL. We are supposedly in a crisis, but still sitting in 5th and above Arsenal and Spurs! Dunno how Liverpool have managed to keep most of their squad fit this season. They are walking the league unchallenged.

The thing is his injury was completely and entirely avoidable. He clattered recklessly into two Newcastle players in the space of 5 minutes and hurt himself. Should have been taken off but the injury in the first place was his own fault.

 

[arthurka]

The thing is his injury was completely and entirely avoidable. He clattered recklessly into two Newcastle players in the space of 5 minutes and hurt himself. Should have been taken off but the injury in the first place was his own fault.

If you take this out of his game he won't be half the player he is.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Supposedly this is him.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Paul Parker:
“Scott McTominay is a good example of the problem. He just runs around trying to kick people, thumping the badge. He’s like a modern-day Robbie Savage. You need more than that." Paul Parker

https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/09/scot...arker-12033778/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Mctominay is definitely not a Keane or Scholes or Carrick type of midfielder. Rather he is Fletcher/Butt type, who always works hard, with good workmate, does abit of everything, helping out the defence and attack. Every team need a good workhorse, Mctominay is perfect for that role.

 

[ghaliboy]

The thing is his injury was completely and entirely avoidable. He clattered recklessly into two Newcastle players in the space of 5 minutes and hurt himself. Should have been taken off but the injury in the first place was his own fault.

Apparently if you do things on a football pitch you might get injured.

We need him back desperately. But I wouldn't rush him back unless the season is well and truly in our own hands. If we fall even further out over the next month he mays well just shut it down until next season and come in fresh.

 

[El Zoido]

Mctominay is definitely not a Keane or Scholes or Carrick type of midfielder. Rather he is Fletcher/Butt type, who always works hard, with good workmate, does abit of everything, helping out the defence and attack. Every team need a good workhorse, Mctominay is perfect for that role.

He’s quite skilful on the ball. I think he’s got more to his game than he gets credit for.

 

[Captain Paris]

Odd time to post in this thread considering he's been out for weeks but at least there won't be any hot takes, I have this question : Do people really see McTominay as a starter in the long term ?

Considering the options we could potentially field in midfield, I think he should be fifth in the picking order going forward, literally a squad player. When he was in the team, despite his effort, we never kept a clean sheet, not his fault directly I concede but the statistics don't lie. The team is more stable with Matic and Fred together.

Second, I just think he's a limited footballer. For all the talk about attitude, desire, passion, I never see talk about passing accuracy, technical ability and most of all composure. All the attributes, we should be looking for a starter in the midfield of our team. Then I see some posters talking about him as a potential future captain because he sometimes shouts but there is so much more than that to be captain.

Let me be clear I don't think he's a problem but he represents some of our issues. A nice guy, some decent performances but at the end of the day, not good enough. You won't find any players like McTominay in any top club in Europe and there is a reason for that.

Anyway what should do with McTominay going forward ?

 

[kundalini]

Odd time to post in this thread considering he's been out for weeks but at least there won't be any hot takes, I have this question : Do people really see McTominay as a starter in the long term ?

Considering the options we could potentially field in midfield, I think he should be fifth in the picking order going forward, literally a squad player. When he was in the team, despite his effort, we never kept a clean sheet, not his fault directly I concede but the statistics don't lie. The team is more stable with Matic and Fred together.

Second, I just think he's a limited footballer. For all the talk about attitude, desire, passion, I never see talk about passing accuracy, technical ability and most of all composure. All the attributes, we should be looking for a starter in the midfield of our team. Then I see some posters talking about him as a potential future captain because he sometimes shouts but there is so much more than that to be captain.

Let me be clear I don't think he's a problem but he represents some of our issues. A nice guy, some decent performances but at the end of the day, not good enough. You won't find any players like McTominay in any top club in Europe and there is a reason for that.

Anyway what should do with McTominay going forward ?

The statistics don't lie except when you get them wrong. I don't know where to start. How about the first game of the season, 4-0 v Chelsea ? Or the 1-0 win v Leicester. We've conceded 18 goals in the 17 PL games in which McTominay started v 11 in the 8 matches he missed (with Scott on the pitch, we've conceded 17 in the equivalent of just over 16 games). That's despite being involved in a slightly more difficult set of fixtures. He started games against Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Man City, Arsenal and Leicester, compared to missing Arsenal and Liverpool away games. 26 points in 17 games with, compared to 9 points in 8 games without.

With Matic and Fred together, we've beaten Burnley and Norwich, yet lost to Arsenal, Liverpool and Burnley; so much for your supposed stability. 2 clean sheets but 6 goals conceded in 5 games. In Cup games they have done better but how often do you come across situations such as the 1-0 win at City, where they were content to keep possession for long spells in the 2nd half despite losing the game ? Romero has only conceded 2 goals this season; there have been clean sheets in the Europa League and domestic Cup competitions almost regardless of the pairing in central midfield. Having said that, Matic has featured a lot in these competitions so must have contributed far more than the likes of Scott, who has just 2 starts in EL as well as the Chelsea Carabao Cup match.

If McTominay is not our best performer this season then he is certainly a close 2nd. On the official website, he was voted player of the month for both September and October (Rashford won Nov and Dec, James won August and Fred top in Jan). WhoScored rate Rashford's performances 7.34. Next best McTominay and Wan-Bissaka on 7.15. The average ratings on Redcafe have Romero top at 6.6, then Brandon Williams 6.3, McTominay 3rd at 6.0. Scott should be an automatic starter for United unless his performance level drops; if he doesn't suit a particular match situation, then substitute him early in the 2nd half.

McTominay has 3 goals and 1 assist (and won one penalty, that was missed) in the PL this season. The other players used in central midfield (33 starts between them) have 0 goals and 3 assists - Pogba 2, Pereira 1 when playing as a CM - (and won one penalty, that was saved) between them in the PL. Matic scored in the Carabao Cup against Man City but has only 2 goals and 1 assist in the PL since joining United. Fred is a bit unfortunate not to have made an assist this season. Last season Fred got 1 goal and 1 assist.

Liverpool's midfield is packed full of players like McTominay. They are all a few years older and performing at a slightly higher level, helped by using a system and line-up that rarely changes. Indeed, I would suggest that Scott is one of the few United players that could compete for a starting role in most of the top clubs in Europe; Barcelona and Man City being the two that he doesn't appear a good fit for.

Matic was 21 when he first joined Chelsea. He made 2 sub appearances in the PL then got sent on loan to Vitesse, then sold to Benfica, before rejoining Chelsea aged 25. When Carrick was McTominay's current age, he had just joined Spurs from West Ham. Fred was 25 when he arrived at United.

Of course Scott needs to improve, especially if United are to compete for the title.

 

[sp_107]

He made the difference when he played for sure. Even Fred got better when he had SMT next to him.

Why didnt we sign someone like Soumare who is available for 40-50 million from Lille in this window so that we can focus on our other targets (RW, ST) in next window?

Having Soumare and Bruno could have fixed our midfield and adding a RW, Striker in next summer could have improved the team overall.

 

[billybee99]

Odd time to post in this thread considering he's been out for weeks but at least there won't be any hot takes, I have this question : Do people really see McTominay as a starter in the long term ?

Considering the options we could potentially field in midfield, I think he should be fifth in the picking order going forward, literally a squad player. When he was in the team, despite his effort, we never kept a clean sheet, not his fault directly I concede but the statistics don't lie. The team is more stable with Matic and Fred together.

Second, I just think he's a limited footballer. For all the talk about attitude, desire, passion, I never see talk about passing accuracy, technical ability and most of all composure. All the attributes, we should be looking for a starter in the midfield of our team. Then I see some posters talking about him as a potential future captain because he sometimes shouts but there is so much more than that to be captain.

Let me be clear I don't think he's a problem but he represents some of our issues. A nice guy, some decent performances but at the end of the day, not good enough. You won't find any players like McTominay in any top club in Europe and there is a reason for that.

Anyway what should do with McTominay going forward ?

There is no way in hell he is behind Matic.

 

[DBT85]

Long term will all depend on how he develops. He is very young so can still add to his game. The player as he is right now, no, he's a rotation option if he never progresses, but we've already seem him improve and he's not been playing that long.

Next season? Sure he'll be a starter unless we sign others.

 

[romufc]

Of course Scott needs to improve, especially if United are to compete for the title.

I think that is a very good post considering that so many people have actually been saying he isnt good enough.

Why not give him some time to develop before making judgements.

Henderson is close to being PFA player of the year, sometimes talent gets you so far.

Scott has great attitude and looks to me a leader, he wouldnt mind being a rotational squad player because lets be honest, we need 5/6 options in that area and they will all get games over the season.

He seems to be a big game player, can swap him for a attack minded player for home games like what we did with Fletcher or Park.

 

[roonster09]

 

[Rozay]

Good to see. Matic and Fred are doing well but we need all the bodies we can get in that area, and Scott is also a goal threat, which we need as we have struggled in that department since Rashford got injured.

 

[Hugh Jass]

I hope Tuanzebe does not have the Phil Jones curse where he is out injured for two thirds of the season.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Random one, but in a midfield 3 of McTominay, Fred & B.Fernandes, (our midfield 3 for next season I’d guess) which would you play as the DM?

 

[United58]

Random one, but in a midfield 3 of McTominay, Fred & B.Fernandes, which would you play as the DM?

It would be McTominay and Fred sitting deeper together IMO, don't think either is positionally disciplined enough (yet, at least) to anchor the midfield on their own

 

[Web of Bissaka]

The statistics don't lie except when you get them wrong. I don't know where to start. How about the first game of the season, 4-0 v Chelsea ? Or the 1-0 win v Leicester. We've conceded 18 goals in the 17 PL games in which McTominay started v 11 in the 8 matches he missed (with Scott on the pitch, we've conceded 17 in the equivalent of just over 16 games). That's despite being involved in a slightly more difficult set of fixtures. He started games against Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Man City, Arsenal and Leicester, compared to missing Arsenal and Liverpool away games. 26 points in 17 games with, compared to 9 points in 8 games without.

With Matic and Fred together, we've beaten Burnley and Norwich, yet lost to Arsenal, Liverpool and Burnley; so much for your supposed stability. 2 clean sheets but 6 goals conceded in 5 games. In Cup games they have done better but how often do you come across situations such as the 1-0 win at City, where they were content to keep possession for long spells in the 2nd half despite losing the game ? Romero has only conceded 2 goals this season; there have been clean sheets in the Europa League and domestic Cup competitions almost regardless of the pairing in central midfield.

Interesting stats. Cheers mate, thanks.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Eh? Can already train like that? Thought his injury is more serious... or he did things like certain diet, more proper rest time, etc, to recover faster.

 

[roonster09]

Eh? Can already train like that? Thought his injury is more serious... or he did things like certain diet, more proper rest time, etc, to recover faster.

He was scheduled to come back after Inter break, IIRC it was after Chelsea game.

 

[Canadianred17]

It would be McTominay and Fred sitting deeper together IMO, don't think either is positionally disciplined enough (yet, at least) to anchor the midfield on their own

If we want to compete, McTominay can't be a starter.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Random one, but in a midfield 3 of McTominay, Fred & B.Fernandes, (our midfield 3 for next season I’d guess) which would you play as the DM?

Fred as dmc. Pogba and Bruno mc. Or Matic dmc with Bruno and Fred on mc. If we sell Pogba then we should buy new dmc who will play with Bruno and Fred.
If our ambition is at least top 4 then McT should not be a starter.

 

[Rozay]

Fred as dmc. Pogba and Bruno mc. Or Matic dmc with Bruno and Fred on mc. If we sell Pogba then we should buy new dmc who will play with Bruno and Fred.
If our ambition is at least top 4 then McT should not be a starter.

It remains to be seen whether Bruno should be a starter either if we have top 4 ambitions too.

 

[DJ_21]

Good to see Scott nearly returning, the example of a great player and true red to work very hard to return, if only we seen this enthusiasm from pogba...