I think this is the troubling part. Incomplete facts added together with rumours and opinion is exactly what misrepresentation is.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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It's a very human thing to look at a troubling situation and go "ah, it'll be alright". It's probably helped us overcome many risks and prosper as a species, but it'll most likely be our undoing too.
Climate change? It'll be alright.
Pollution? It'll be alright.
Population growth? It'll be alright.
Eating wild diseased animals? It'll be alright.
Think we all know the answer to that one.
I don't think the 'ah, it'll be alright' thing is natural though...
I think it's a result of us being essentially 'tame'.
Wild animals are more wary, cautious and defensive.
I think the idiotic, dangerous reaction that you rightly describe is essentially a pompousness developed in society where we think some authority 'Daddy' figure will solve / fix it for us.
Probably a result of having so many freedoms constricted by said authorities, and for so long...
During hospitalisation, how are the patients actually helped ?
Welcome to Ireland....
A girl returns from holiday in North Italy and goes into Queens University to tell her lecturer and course facilitator she will not be attending Queens for 14 days as she is going to Self Quarantine.
Arrived into University at 10.25am off a train than got a Bus and left at 12.15pm after meeting lecturer, some friends and getting books from library.
Confirmed case on Wednesday.
A girl returns from holiday in North Italy and goes into Queens University to tell her lecturer and course facilitator she will not be attending Queens for 14 days as she is going to Self Quarantine.
Arrived into University at 10.25am off a train than got a Bus and left at 12.15pm after meeting lecturer, some friends and getting books from library.
Confirmed case on Wednesday.
Primarily Drip. They boost the immune system
Secondary focus on Heart - so regular blood pressure tests and screen graphs
Thirdly Blood tests
Anyway - I'd be more worried going in to hospital and getting Sepsis.
There has never been a cure for a CoronaVirus.
The USA has the fewest in the developed world.
You consume facts and spew out Daily Mail headlines.
Honestly I'm struggling with this, what do you expect people to do? We have experts who are guiding us, and advising people about how they can help themselves avoid it, if this is ramped up to things like schools closing, elderly staying in, etc, then it's right we respect it and help those who need it, but other than this we just carry on, and it is only to be expected that we think everything 'will be alright', I don't see anything wrong with this thought process.
The stuff about animals is nonsense, we all have self preservation instincts built in, but also rational minds to realise the danger from this as it stands does not require us to use them unnecessarily. Blind panic, people changing their whole life to cope with, reading every single doomsday article as fact, and selfishly hording supplies is not going to help.
Ultimately we do need a 'daddy figure' for this to be resolved, which will hopefully come from highly skilled people creating a vaccine, I can't do it, so I'll put my faith in them thank you very much, and in the meantime I'll try and live my life as normal, whilst been very much more vigilant.
That paper is just darn right dangerous for some people in situations like this.
We were talking specifically about people being stupidly, dangerously apathetic.
And I was responding to the notion that as a species we're naturally apathetic - and disagreeing with it.
Read context properly before wading in.
Young people use their phones for everything except making a simple phone call.
Ah si*t, I've done this sort of thing before, sorry, and I'll consider myself put in my place.
Humans are are never content with where they are, and the push for always more will lead to our downfall in the end, and yes the majority will just watch it happen and assume someone will sort it out.
No need to apologize mate, and no hard feelings at all. x
*Elbow bump*
*Don't fecking touch me!!!*
Case confirmed in Ibiza. Italian guy. The island starts filling up mid-April and parties start mid-May. Could be a major problem. Especially as there's only two hospitals I know of, one being tiny, and one already with 8 hour waits in summer (in a small, hot, crowded room).
If Iranian officials are dying then imagine the general public. That's the third or fourth official. The Cfr must be very high in Iran.
I shouldn't but Corona without the lime?
And we all know that there is nothing worse than a Daily Mail exaggeration, I mean fake news, I mean bullsh1t, I mean headline.
I have a (Tory) friend who is an avid reader of the DM.
And even he will admit that he is one of the most depressing people alive.
Absolutely everything is a catastrophe.
The world is going to end tomorrow...
They should give away a free razorblade with every copy because after reading all the crap, anyone would want to end it all there and then.
43 more cases since yesterday.
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Fake news? I'm seeing only 5 more cases. 169 in total.
A Cigar!
BBC have got 43 more cases. Just over 200 now.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public
A wide spread across the country now it seems which is a worry. Hopefully we contain effectively but don't think it'll be long before we move to the next phase.
A wide spread across the country now it seems which is a worry. Hopefully we contain effectively but don't think it'll be long before we move to the next phase.
DHSC says 206 cases.
When people are stockpiling 3 packs of condoms for their fingers instead of 50 pack of rubber gloves for the same price, then yes, it is possible we are too stupid to survive.
Don't talk shite.
Wash that elbow immediately.
Truth is if the virus is super deadly, it doesn't spread well because it usually kill the host first.
There's a doctor who has made a Facebook post saying that Covid-19 is coming and it's not much to worry about. It's been shared 200k times.
While he makes a valid point that panic buying supplies is wrong, I can't help but feel his message is irresponsible in other ways.
What do you guys think?
He says he's scared that travel restrictions will ruin people's weddings, family reunions and the Olympics.
Just seems like a weird post. And of course it's been picked up by the "nothing to worry about" lot to propogate that Covid-19 is business as usual.
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While he makes a valid point that panic buying supplies is wrong, I can't help but feel his message is irresponsible in other ways.
What do you guys think?
He says he's scared that travel restrictions will ruin people's weddings, family reunions and the Olympics.
Just seems like a weird post. And of course it's been picked up by the "nothing to worry about" lot to propogate that Covid-19 is business as usual.
@Arruda
@Pogue Mahone
Both elbows soaking in Dettol crew.
People robbing masks from hospitals are fecking insane.
We have a bunch at work. Hopefully no nonsense!
Started seeing general population wearing them. Doubt it was to protect others, just misinformed.
I think it's a terrible post. That's the reason I post here and not on facebook, because I don't want the resposibility of my thoughts accidently going viral.
If his biggest fear in the middle of all this is what we're teaching to kids then I don't even know what to say.
Local supermarkets with exceptional supply problems actually mean nothing, most of these will be ressiluplied in hours of days unless governments really feck up.
Just look at the "mask" problem. In Portugal, in February, 100000 masks (or boxes of) were bought in the country, and it sold out nearly everywhere. Last year it was 25000 for the same period. Just 1% of the Portuguese needed to do that for them to sold out. Now most of the other 99% aren't in panic looking for more masks, but rather:
- Mocking the aforementioned 1%
- Concerned whether there will be enough masks for the ones who really needed.
In my opinion the only important thing about masks is whether the government has stockpiles and priviliged supply routes for this emergency. Those 100k would make little difference when you consider the ammount that will actually be needed.
I just used this example, but in most other issues I think the same. It's as if media/social media are creating fake hysteria due to a disappointment in the lack of a real one.
The agitation you see so far seems perfectly controlable and proportional (or less then proportional) when compared with the dimmension of what is happening.
That opinion is just a weak argument of authority. "I've been working with infectious diseases all my life so I know what is going on here, even though I haven't looked into this problem specifically"
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