SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Rooney24 said:
Here in Switzerland the lock down is almost at an end.

From 11th May, Restaurants, all Shops and stores will open. Schools will go back. Public tansport will go back to normal and there will be a reopening of the border (not sure this is a great idea).

I could be wrong but it seems the only places to remain closed will be bars.
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When is Super League resuming? Can't find info on that.
 
Apparently our border with Croatia will likely be again open for non essential travel in June, which means there will be some sort of foreign tourism available this summer. Which is something that Croatia probably desperately needs, considering about 1/4 of their economy is related to it.
 
redshaw said:
Could be really high, 35-50%. Sweden might be doing much better using your per million comparison then.
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If it is, and our 181 per million is actually much higher, then I definitely wouldn't want to see what our numbers would be with a similar open approach.

Independently of that, I believe that Sweden could have done better following approaches done in neighboring countries.

Ekkie Thump said:
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That aged well.
 
Snafu17 said:
Apparently our border with Croatia will likely be again open for non essential travel in June, which means there will be some sort of foreign tourism available this summer. Which is something that Croatia probably desperately needs, considering about 1/4 of their economy is related to it.
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I would have been in Croatia over Easter if it hadn't been for this pandemic. Maybe I'll get another chance this summer.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
:lol: What a fecking tool.

The one and only light relief in this shit show has been the unintentional humour provided by nerds who think they can do epidemiology because they know how to read graphs.
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This thread demonstrates how every cnut thinks they can take data and figure out anything from it. It really will be a massive effort of all disciplines pitching in to figure out how to come out of this shitshow and learn from it.
 
FrankDrebin said:
He (Elon) has the worst fanboys.
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Big number for hospital deaths unless this is hospital combined with a few care home deaths in the last day plus the backlog?

 
@BootsyCollins @africanspur

You are damn right that my response is emotive, and it couldn't be otherwise. "Swedish model" and similar nonsense is growing like the plague here in my country due to a crazy man that has espoused a similar approach non-stop, and starts to get a gigantic following with hashtags like #letsgoout or similar.

We live in an era were people don't acknowledge their ignorance anymore, everyone has to take a position on any subject because they read about it on facebook, and now we have to deal with the voice of a Computer Science engineer getting louder than all doctors combined. His fans will never back down, nor will him, even when every thing he says is counter-argued by stronger evidence or his short-term predictions are shown wrong time and time again.

It's this type of blindness that brought us the likes of Trump. It's a growing trend fueled by social media, people pick a side on things they know nothing about and they will stick to it until the end like if it's a football club. Whoever thinks this problem is limited to the "deplorables" should think again. It's affecting everyone else, regardless of political inclination or the subject at hand.

I'm arguing this nonsense with some of my own family members, who know fully well I was far ahead of the curve on Covid-19 knowledge, and who know very well my qualities and limitations as a doctor. Suddenly I have to debate non-sense like the Swedish model with them, when just 6 weeks ago everyone was terrified of becoming like Italy - which we would have, had we taken just one or two more weeks to start confining and distancing ourselves.

Anyone from the UK should feel relief they narrowly avoided a catastrophe of gigantic proportions due to guys like those experts from Sweden, yet many seem happy to get back to square one.


Swedish results so far are miserable.
 
Carolina Red said:
Where's that "I don't believe it" gif?


Also, S.C. leading the way again!
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In Italy, if you go out when you've tested positive you can be charged with "aiding the epidemic", which is a serious offence with up to 12 years in prison. It's funny, the USA isn't usually backwards in coming forwards when it comes to giving long sentences, and people who deliberately go out when they're infected should be made an example of.
 
do.ob said:
Watch him get a mild case, then use it to tell people that it's all a fake.
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She's asymptomatic. Apparently had the virus while she was at the NC State House protest.

Penna said:
In Italy, if you go out when you've tested positive you can be charged with "aiding the epidemic", which is a serious offence with up to 12 years in prison. It's funny, the USA isn't usually backwards in coming forwards when it comes to giving long sentences, and people who deliberately go out when they're infected should be made an example of.
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Agreed completely. Our "reckless endangerment" law seems applicable here.
 
IPSOS.MORI opinion

One month in: British public opinion on COVID-19
A new blog looking at how public opinion in relation to COVID-19 has changed over the past month.
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/one-month-british-public-opinion-covid-19-coronavirus

Public opinion on the COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic
Ipsos experts share the latest polls, research and analysis related to the COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/public-opinion-covid-19-coronavirus-pandemic#polls
 
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Carolina Red said:
Another danger of the "Sweden is doing well" narrative is that the right wing nutters here in the US are using it to fuel their protests against our state governments lockdown measures.

What those dumbasses don't look at is that if we were at Sweden's deaths per million, we'd already be over 80,000 confirmed deaths.
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Interestingly it is mostly the right wing nutters and especially the far right who want a lockdown in sweden.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Supposedly they will announce care home deaths today as well. Thought it was going to be separately though.
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Yeah I'm not on about the thousands added, I'm wondering about the daily figure but after reading the small print the 765 number is all deaths, not just hospitals and care home. Under yesterday's calculations of hospital deaths only the figure would be 578 today, so it's inline with the expected drop.

UK has now gone the Belgium way of sorts by just announcing one figure for all. For those tracking the hospital deaths and their drop it could be a be bit tricky unless they add the hospital data in the small print every time.
 
Irwin99 said:
I see Paulo Dybala still has it after 5 weeks although he seems to be asymptomatic? Presumably he can still therefore pass on the virus to any people outside of isolation even though it hasn't affected him? This virus is a survivor if that's true.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...t-to-recover-over-a-month-after-positive-test
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Something slightly more positive from that article -

"The Argentina international announced on Twitter that he and his partner Oriana Sabatini had both tested positive after becoming the third Juventus player affected, with defender Daniele Rugani and midfielder Blaise Matuidi also confirming positive diagnoses."

Only three players for Juventus got it, despite them all being in close quarters with each other for weeks on end
 
United58 said:
Something slightly more positive from that article -

"The Argentina international announced on Twitter that he and his partner Oriana Sabatini had both tested positive after becoming the third Juventus player affected, with defender Daniele Rugani and midfielder Blaise Matuidi also confirming positive diagnoses."

Only three players for Juventus got it, despite them all being in close quarters with each other for weeks on end
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Yeah, that is a positive. I just find it fascinating that he can have it for 5 weeks although he does seem asymptomatic.
 
spiriticon said:
People who support the Swedish model probably hate their parents and grandparents :lol:
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Austria, Swiss, Norway, Denmark, Finland, US States, Germany... everyone is moving to a “Swedish model” now anyway, just more slowly.
Soon enough all countries will be, because as I’ve argued all along, without a vaccine there is no other way.
Curve is flat in Sweden, I believe all of Europe can live with this virus and behave responsibly to keep the curves flat now we truly know how serious it is.

The “risk” Sweden took was believing their data showed them they wouldn’t get swamped in the first weeks, like NYC, Italy, Spain, Belgium or The UK, they are past that now.

Or of course, if a vaccine arrives in the next 2 months, Sweden’s approach may also look stupid. But that said, Gothenburg and Malmö are still proof that half term timing in Scandinavia’s biggest city was the biggest variable so far between all the Scandy cities, not the approach.
 
Irwin99 said:
Yeah, that is a positive. I just find it fascinating that he can have it for 5 weeks although he does seem asymptomatic.
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I guess it's part of the reason it's spread so much - it just goes on and on and on. I had the flu in January and I was bad for maybe four days but this... (Although I may have had a flu-like virus in me for weeks?)
 
Arruda said:
@BootsyCollins @africanspur

You are damn right that my response is emotive, and it couldn't be otherwise. "Swedish model" and similar nonsense is growing like the plague here in my country due to a crazy man that has espoused a similar approach non-stop, and starts to get a gigantic following with hashtags like #letsgoout or similar.

We live in an era were people don't acknowledge their ignorance anymore, everyone has to take a position on any subject because they read about it on facebook, and now we have to deal with the voice of a Computer Science engineer getting louder than all doctors combined. His fans will never back down, nor will him, even when every thing he says is counter-argued by stronger evidence or his short-term predictions are shown wrong time and time again.

It's this type of blindness that brought us the likes of Trump. It's a growing trend fueled by social media, people pick a side on things they know nothing about and they will stick to it until the end like if it's a football club. Whoever thinks this problem is limited to the "deplorables" should think again. It's affecting everyone else, regardless of political inclination or the subject at hand.

I'm arguing this nonsense with some of my own family members, who know fully well I was far ahead of the curve on Covid-19 knowledge, and who know very well my qualities and limitations as a doctor. Suddenly I have to debate non-sense like the Swedish model with them, when just 6 weeks ago everyone was terrified of becoming like Italy - which we would have, had we taken just one or two more weeks to start confining and distancing ourselves.

Anyone from the UK should feel relief they narrowly avoided a catastrophe of gigantic proportions due to guys like those experts from Sweden, yet many seem happy to get back to square one.


Swedish results so far are miserable.
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Hey man. I understand you are emotional. I am too. People around us are dying.
I just took your reply as you were trying to out me in the ”dont care if people die as long as i have my freedom etc bullshit” group.
I know nothing about all this, and you seems to know alot. I just feel like this is a new situation for everyone and we all try to do our best.
i am sorry if i took it the wrong way. I remember you in the beginning of this thread was very stressed out, so i hope you are better now.
 
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