SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
The countryside is a lawless state right now. Not seen any police presence in ages. Speeds limits definitely don't exist around here at the minute either. Youths are still loitering in fairly big groups.

In all seriousness though, I don't know what the deal is. I don't know if they're just pushing their luck until the police swing by and say "oi, you can't do this" and they close again. Is there penalties for businesses opening without the government saying so?



I agree, it's definitely something that should remain in place in some capacity until a vaccine is widely available. It's beginning to feel like people have just had enough and are just shrugging it off, at least in the very small sample size around me anyway. The sunny weather isn't helping.
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This is from the government website.

. Compliance
Everyone is instructed to comply with the rules issued by the government in relation to coronavirus, in order to protect both themselves and others.

As of 1pm on 26 March 2020 new Regulations extending the restrictions are now enforceable by law in England due to the threat to public health. These supersede Regulations that came into force at 2pm on 21 March 2020. They are enforceable in Wales from 4pm on 26 March 2020, Scotland from 7.15pm on 26 March 2020 and Northern Ireland from 11pm on 28 March.

Where an owner, proprietor or manager carrying out a business (or a person responsible for other premises) contravenes the Regulations, that person commits an offence.

In England, Environmental Health and Trading Standards officers will monitor compliance with these regulations, with police support provided if appropriate. Businesses and venues that breach them will be subject to prohibition notices, and fixed penalties. With the support of the police, prohibition notices can be used to require compliance with the Regulations including requiring that an activity ceases.

If prohibition notices are not followed, or fixed penalty notice not paid, you may also be taken to court with magistrates able to impose potentially unlimited fines

Barbers and tattoo parlours are on the list of businesses to close with no exceptions, for obvious reasons as social distancing in these places would be impossible.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That’s just fecking nuts. If there’s not enough capacity to do all the testing they would like to (which is fair enough, loads of countries scrabbling for finite resources) then they need to ration and prioritise. Diverting these limited resources to an online, first come first served, free for all is populist madness.
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They're probably just the early batches of tests that barely worked. Or is it incredibly cynical of me to think an MP would distribute tests they knew were of little use for face saving?

It would be irresponsible but we're so far past that being a consideration for disbelief these days.
 
stepic said:
it's 684.

still bad, but at least we're not at the 900+ levels anymore. i'll take it as a positive. this thing isn't going to drop really quickly, it will take time.
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I think it will stay like this for a couple of weeks at least. There’s something like a 13 day lag on reporting of care home deaths which went up a lot in the past couple of weeks. They have to wait for the death certificate to come through to record it.

New hospitalisations would be the one to watch I think.
 
11101 said:
I remember you talking about your daughter in another thread, are you absolutely sure she has the virus? As in has a positive test? Even the worst cases going into intensive care are generally resolving quicker than that.
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I don't want hijack this thread but all her symptoms are covid related, and constantly moving around. She must have one of the mutated mothers. The wife has picked up a milder version of it from her and my neighbour's daughter also has had the same as my daughter for the same length of time. Thankfully it's not affecting breathing in all three. We all need to be careful of these mutated mofos which is where Remdesivir failing has got me worried.
 
stepic said:
it's 684.

still bad, but at least we're not at the 900+ levels anymore. i'll take it as a positive. this thing isn't going to drop really quickly, it will take time.
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The thing is look at how much effort we are having to make to restrain it to these levels. Get your phased release of lockdown wrong and it explodes all over again. Social contact is going to be severely rationed for a long time.
 


From the separate announcements today of 64, 110 and 587 added up to 761 excluding NI but maybe some are after the cut-off?
 
sun_tzu said:
I run a construction company - i would say that if somebody is building a skyscraper the amount of temporary works involved with the steelworks during construction would in many occasions mean its safer to continue and reach a safe hold point before leaving sites and that could be a long time as an incomplete structure often has potential safety and stability issues. (we are working on a number of half completed bridges and the same rules apply - essentially the safest thing is to finish it properly)

Most house builders start up again in the uk next week - most large infra never stopped - though its slower and there is a lot of distancing measures and additional ppe (facemasks for example) being required plus close working in confined space is pretty much stopped unless safety critical
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My business is the manufacture and distribution of fire doors so is somewhat critical.

We've had around 60% of deliveries postponed (c. £300k turnover vs projected £750k), although we're projecting that to reduce to around 25% in May.

It's a mixed bag really... Some contractors are business as usual taking £20+k a week, others aren't predicted to open until 18th May.
 
Dumbstar said:
I don't want hijack this thread but all her symptoms are covid related, and constantly moving around. She must have one of the mutated mothers. The wife has picked up a milder version of it from her and my neighbour's daughter also has had the same as my daughter for the same length of time. Thankfully it's not affecting breathing in all three. We all need to be careful of these mutated mofos which is where Remdesivir failing has got me worried.
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I think it is strange that they are all well enough to have avoided hospital but are still showing symptoms after 7 weeks. Doesn't tie in with any of the data getting published here. Maybe some of the actual doctors on here are better informed @Anustart89 @Arruda @africanspur @Pogue Mahone @van der star
 
finneh said:
My business is the manufacture and distribution of fire doors so is somewhat critical.

We've had around 60% of deliveries postponed (c. £300k turnover vs projected £750k), although we're projecting that to reduce to around 25% in May.

It's a mixed bag really... Some contractors are business as usual taking £20+k a week, others aren't predicted to open until 18th May.
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most of our stuff is big stuff... nuclear, military, utility, highways or rail so ultimatley government funded - Id say we are at around 90% though seeing some delay in new projects coming online as they put in place additional CV19 measures
 
sun_tzu said:
most of our stuff is big stuff... nuclear, military, utility, highways or rail so ultimatley government funded - Id say we are at around 90% though seeing some delay in new projects coming online as they put in place additional CV19 measures
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How're you finding staffing?

It's a challenge for us as everyone is desperate to be furloughed. Being paid 80% to do 0% seems like a lottery win for many (not sure how long that'll last though).
 
finneh said:
How're you finding staffing?

It's a challenge for us as everyone is desperate to be furloughed. Being paid 80% to do 0% seems like a lottery win for many (not sure how long that'll last though).
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Furloughed some due to reduction in business ... Made it clear no guarantees there is a job at the end of business does not return but hopefully there will be

Most of my staff want to work... Guess I'm lucky with that

Got some who are medically high risk themselves or had family who are so they were more glad to be furloughed I think
 
11101 said:
I think it is strange that they are all well enough to have avoided hospital but are still showing symptoms after 7 weeks. Doesn't tie in with any of the data getting published here. Maybe some of the actual doctors on here are better informed @Anustart89 @Arruda @africanspur @Pogue Mahone @van der star
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I don't think doctors even know about people like these yet. They're too busy with saving lives, rightly so, to properly analyse what's going on behind closed doors. Calling the GP or 111 to explain these (non hospitalisation) cases is pointless. As is getting them tested.
 
sun_tzu said:
Furloughed some due to reduction in business ... Made it clear no guarantees there is a job at the end of business does not return but hopefully there will be

Most of my staff want to work... Guess I'm lucky with that
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It's funny as the staff that want to work are producing production figures around 20% above average per person.

I suppose it makes sense that the staff that want to be furloughed are also the staff that could well be dragging efficiencies down long term (although there are other factors like space).

The stick of there potentially not being a job at the end isn't one we've used and we've actively said that owners are not taking a salary Q1 or Q2 to ensure liquidity. It may well be that we need to make this clear if we get greater problems.
 
My wife who is in the vulnerable category just got a mail from nhs saying stay at home til end of June.
Anyone else received similar? Didn’t know this was coming but guess it’s not a surprise
 
finneh said:
It's funny as the staff that want to work are producing production figures around 20% above average per person.

I suppose it makes sense that the staff that want to be furloughed are also the staff that could well be dragging efficiencies down long term (although there are other factors like space).

The stick of there potentially not being a job at the end isn't one we've used and we've actively said that owners are not taking a salary Q1 or Q2 to ensure liquidity. It may well be that we need to make this clear if we get greater problems.
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Law of diminishing returns.
 
stepic said:
it's 684.

still bad, but at least we're not at the 900+ levels anymore. i'll take it as a positive. this thing isn't going to drop really quickly, it will take time.
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Thanks, so each Fri is reducing by 100+ so far. Our peak each week is getting lower since 'Bad Friday' and our lowest number each week is also lower. That's as good a trend as we can hope for at present.

We have peaked. We are now in a plateau stage.
 
11101 said:
I think it is strange that they are all well enough to have avoided hospital but are still showing symptoms after 7 weeks. Doesn't tie in with any of the data getting published here. Maybe some of the actual doctors on here are better informed @Anustart89 @Arruda @africanspur @Pogue Mahone @van der star
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Definitely a very unusual presentation. Whether or not she’s been tested for covid I’d be thinking about a CXR and ECG for someone with ongoing chest symptoms for 7 weeks+.
 
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